JJD Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Bell of Lost Souls has leaked the final passage in the codex and their big reveal is that the Lion is fully healed (like he has been since 6th). But they missed the actual big reveal in the same passage. Apparently Luthor is no longer on the rock. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/12/40k-the-dark-angels-final-secret.html ‘Yet Luthor is gone now, escaped by unknown means to unclear ends’ Helias_Tancred and Phoebus 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 It's a riddle wrapped in a mystery wrapped in an enigma. jeremy1391 and Helias_Tancred 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ramael Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 It's a riddle wrapped in a mystery wrapped in an enigma. Sadly, not wrapped in bacon. Either they're building a big target for the Lion when he comes back or he pulled a Cypher and it's back to sanity, who knows. Interrogator Stobz, Helias_Tancred and jeremy1391 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Well that is interesting. And it’s not a terrible development, in my opinion, although Azrael might have to explain a few things to a very small group. I’d kinda prefer Luther doesn’t pop up and stays missing but I’m also in the no loyalist Primarchs camp. Can definitely see him being released alongside the Lion and a new plastic Azrael at some point. (Cue BOLS rumour in 3......2.....1.....) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 The Lion is fully healed? Guilliman was the injured one. The Lion was just in coma/slumber. And Luther escaped? How do you escape stasis? Did Gav Thorpe wrote the fluff from our Codex? sneakybamsen 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Where is Luthor? Caliban. Right through the rift. He went Back in time. I can see the watchers deciding that's where he should be and putting him there. Interrogator Stobz, Stoic Raptor and Helias_Tancred 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Raeven Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 And here I was expecting a picture in the trend of 'Where's Waldo/Wally'. Now that Luther's on the loose, we could use a Primarch to settle things. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 The Lion is fully healed? Guilliman was the injured one. The Lion was just in coma/slumber. And Luther escaped? How do you escape stasis? Did Gav Thorpe wrote the fluff from our Codex? Didnt he and Luther beat the living crap out of each other? Thats how I remember it anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Yes but it was implies he was never mortally injured. At least not like Guilliman... So the Lion would be regenerating because he wouldn't be in stasis. And Primarchs can heal very fast! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) I'm struggling to remember now, but didn't the Changeling infiltrate the Rock during the events of the Wulfen / Fenris storyline at the end of 7th Edition? I'll dig out the books in a bit, but I'm fairly sure he took the form of one of the Masters or Chaplains and managed to get into the lowest levels of the Rock. Need to get my hand on the Codex if they're doing shenanigans like this... +++ EDIT +++ Yep, it's in the Wrath of Magnus book, the Changeling manages to get into the lowest depths of the Rock and impersonated Azrael as he comes to Luther's cell (referred to as 'The Nameless One'). The Changeling manages to open the cell door using Azrael's sword and let's Luther go. Edited December 9, 2017 by m_r_parker Helias_Tancred and Helycon 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 this maybe foreboding the rumour of the hunt for the fallen campaign..maybe cannot remember the source for that rumour though and yep changeling got in to the dungeons not sure how far though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ikka Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Hmm. Well, the Lion was in a coma from the final battle on Caliban with Luthor- depending on the codex he was either mortally wounded or just wounded, and then was in a healing coma guarded by the Watchers in the Dark. Luthor being out is an interesting thing. He is insane, tormented by what he did to the Lion, for most of the time he was let out of stasis to be questioned by the Grand Master(s). Usually raving about how the Lion will forgive him, but when lucid he was able to sense the Fallen and knew things about their plans due to his Chaos-tainted mind. With Cypher escaping Terra from under Gulliman's nose, and Luthor being freed by the Changeling, the possibility of the two meeting up is very likely. Depending on who this Cypher is, it may lead to them joining forces and possibly clearing Luthor's mind of the madness. That would be a very interesting turn of events- having a sane Luthor gathering up the Fallen with Cypher at his side, for an unknown reason. Sounds like a reason for the Lion to come back, to put his house in order. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Luther just had to get up to take a 10,000 year bathroom break. He’ll be back in 5. Warhead01 and Helias_Tancred 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 The Lion is fully healed? Guilliman was the injured one. The Lion was just in coma/slumber. And Luther escaped? How do you escape stasis? Did Gav Thorpe wrote the fluff from our Codex? Didnt he and Luther beat the living crap out of each other? Thats how I remember it anyway. Yep. Lion’s always been described as “wounds long healed”. I think in the old stuff it was - Lion beats Luther but can’t/won’t land killing blow, Luther psychic attacks Lion, Lion goes into coma, Luther realises what he’s done and goes nuts. That old chestnut. Wouldn’t be surprised if the fluff moves away from that, it is pretty cliche. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Still not quite understanding what it's actually going to take to get the lion to decide it's about time to come play. The galaxy is asunder and Luther is out and cypher actually made it to Terra, is he waiting for Curze to magically grow his head back or? Phoebus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuittzz Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Going to throw it out there that it was the Lion in the stasis cell and Luther is the one stowed away in a coma by the Watchers. The Lion pretending for 10,000 years. Still not quite understanding what it's actually going to take to get the lion to decide it's about time to come play. The galaxy is asunder and Luther is out and cypher actually made it to Terra, is he waiting for Curze to magically grow his head back or? Well Curze's death was never confirmed........ Sete 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Still not quite understanding what it's actually going to take to get the lion to decide it's about time to come play. The galaxy is asunder and Luther is out and cypher actually made it to Terra, is he waiting for Curze to magically grow his head back or? Well Curze's death was never confirmed........ Well, seeing how everyone jumps on the loyalty is it's own reward, allow me to use death is nothing compared to vindication, zso sahaal had to get Curzes crown from somewhere and Talos goes after the still alive assassin after the assassination. Curze is dead. May he be recovered by some miracle, killed and rest in peace. But then there's still my ridiculous theory Curze replaced himself with a clone and he and Sevatar skipped off into the sunset to sip margaritas forever more. So his return could rouse the lion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4955814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Ahh, the old clone bait and switch trick lol But seriously, what will it take the Lion to awake? The current events are pretty dier. Although, some psykers who have peered into the warp sense the coming of something terrible beyond reckoning (this was in one of the recent books and I can't remember which one lol). Edited December 10, 2017 by Ishagu Sete and Biscuittzz 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4956142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 The Lion is supposed to wake up during the “final battle for humanity”. We skipped that bit with 8th and Primaris are saving people left, right and centre sooooo......not sure what will bring him out to play. Luther seems to be the obvious catalyst. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4956147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwrath121 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Personally, I think the Watchers may have released Luther. For some mysterious reason or another, since they are the ones with complete control over the dungeons in their own psychic way. (Either them or Cypher, him being as OTT as he is xD) I'm struggling to remember now, but didn't the Changeling infiltrate the Rock during the events of the Wulfen / Fenris storyline at the end of 7th Edition? I'll dig out the books in a bit, but I'm fairly sure he took the form of one of the Masters or Chaplains and managed to get into the lowest levels of the Rock. Need to get my hand on the Codex if they're doing shenanigans like this... +++ EDIT +++ Yep, it's in the Wrath of Magnus book, the Changeling manages to get into the lowest depths of the Rock and impersonated Azrael as he comes to Luther's cell (referred to as 'The Nameless One'). The Changeling manages to open the cell door using Azrael's sword and let's Luther go. Nope. He reaches the deep cells using the sword. But the Watchers in the Dark drive him away before he can reach Luther :) Edit: Actually. It's not clear. Since p23 of Wrath of Magnus implies he frees Luther. Yet on p29 he is stopped by the Watchers (who would step in before he would get to Luther, realistically). Oh well. Either way. Luther's gone. Popcorn time Edited December 10, 2017 by Darkwrath121 Phoebus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4956149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 So: Luther is Cypher; due to circular time travel shenanigans with the rift he existed both in real time as Cypher running around doing stuff to set up the big break in time, and going through it he ended up getting captured to be kept as a prisoner in the Rock. That's why he could never be captured, he already was. Or it's just GeeDub mucking with us for the lols... :lol: stobz Xenith, Warhead01, Phoebus and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4956155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I refuse the believe that Cypher is anyone other than that young Knight of Lupus. Helias_Tancred and Stoic Raptor 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4956158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 It occurs to me. If Luther went back in time, we don't know that he wont be back forward in time later. If Luther's rantings about forgiveness are to believed. So, we don't know if the 'time rift" is needed at all by the watchers. They have a connection with Caliban and maybe that's all they need to put Luther back on old Caliban. Some crazy oll' Dr. Who stuff, why not. Luther is sent way back and starts the knightly orders long before the Lion would ever be around. I like this idea. Much later, Luther returns to aid the lion at some key moment. However, From Caliban's distant past Luther has been sending Cypher off on his missions. Got to have some kind of twist to this story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4956182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Prediction: at some point in the future things will be extremely dire for the First and they will be rescued by a force led by Luther and Cypher, along with a great number of the loyal fallen they have gathered into an army. Alternately, Luther will show up leading a giant chaos force, and this will be enough to wake The Lion. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4956196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Bannockburn Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I refuse the believe that Cypher is anyone other than that young Knight of Lupus. That guy's pretty dead Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342140-where%E2%80%99s-luthor/#findComment-4956233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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