What's your favorite piece of lore that's often forgotten?

[Ascanius]

It hasn't exactly been forgotten, since it formed part of the basis for The Gathering Storm I: Fall of Cadia, but I read the original Codex: Necrons from 2002 for the first time recently and noticed that the Necron monoliths Abaddon was destroying were grounded in the history section of that book:

 

The Old Ones Strike Back

 

The hot-blooded young races spread across the galaxy, battling Necron science with warp-spawned magicks. The C'tan's empire of destruction was sent reeling; the forces of the Empyrean were anathema to them and, for all the hellish destruction they unleashed, they could not stay the Old Ones' relentless advance.

 

The C'tan, unified for the first time in millions of years, turned to finding a way of quelling the soul-fuelled energies of the young races. They instigated a great warding, a plan to forever defeat the magicks of the Old Ones by sealing off the material universe from the Empyrean. With their god-like power it was only a matter of time until they succeeded, and the greatest work of the C'tan was begun. But before this was complete, the seeds of destruction the Old Ones had planted millennia before brought about an unforeseen cataclysm.

 

The growing pains of the Young Races threw the untapped energies of the warp into disorder. War, pain and destruction were mirrored in the bottomless depths of the sea of souls. The maelstroms of spirits unleashed in the carnage coalesced into the previously formless energies of the warp. Older warp entities became terrifying predators, rending at the souls of vulnerable psykers as their environment was torn asunder and reforged by the energies called forth for warring in the material universe.

 

I'm sure I'm not the first to notice this, but I'm delighted to discover that they didn't retcon in those "Necron pylons" simply to justify the creation of the Cicatrix Maledictum, but actually just revived some old lore.

[Raulmichile]

 

Has anyone mentioned 'Xenology' yet - there's an interesting (and mildly crazy) book.

In a similar vein, the old Liber Chaotica books were pretty fantastic. I guess technically they were for fantasy, but Chaos is Chaos. Also, the scholar penning them in the Old World had visions of Defilers and Chaos Space Marine while "researching" Chaos.

I own those books. They were, and still are, pure owesomeness.

[SickSix]

I don't know if this technically fits:

 

But it really irks me that Fulgrim is constantly given credit for killing Ferrus without an asterisk.

 

Ferrus only lost becuase Fulgrim succumbed to demon possession. If anything, Slaanesh should be given credit for killing Ferrus Manus, not Fulgrim.

 

Now I am so fired up about it I do want to see Ferrus come back (Legion of the Damned style) and kick the bleep out of Demon Fulgrim.

[Lord_Caerolion]

The Pylons were also a major plot point of one of the Eisenhorn books, about an Inquisitor seeking a way to weaponise them to destroy the Eye of Terror entirely.

[Guest Triszin]

That orks used to make/use awesome power armor, it was high tech but bare bones. I really want orks yo get an athesthic upgrade

[Spinsanity]

I really want orks yo get an athesthic upgrade

I first read atheisthic upgrade, and was like "orks without Gork and Mork? "

[Guest Triszin]

 

I really want orks yo get an athesthic upgrade

I first read atheisthic upgrade, and was like "orks without Gork and Mork? "

 

NO GORK

 

NO MORK

 

ONLY GHAZ

 

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I really want the Interex to somehow come into 40k, through time shenanigans they team up with the tau empire

[Machine God]

 

 

I really want orks yo get an athesthic upgrade

I first read atheisthic upgrade, and was like "orks without Gork and Mork? :blink:"

 

NO GORK

 

NO MORK

 

ONLY GHAZ

 

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I really want the Interex to somehow come into 40k, through time shenanigans they team up with the tau empire

 

Rise of the Tau fiction perhaps?

[Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra]

Is 5th edition really old lore now? That makes me sad .

Classic Rock stations now play Nirvana. Let that sink in.

[karden00]

And Pearl Jam. And Foo Fighters.

 

I’m scared too.

[Willy Pete]

I have source material going back to Rogue Trader, including "'Ere We Go" and "Waugh the Orks".  Some of my favorites, in no particular  order:

 

Orks used to be able to have Ogryns in their armies; they really liked the size, strength and stupidity of Ogryns.

 

Ages ago, Snotlings ate some special fungus that made them super intelligent Brain Boyz, and they created the Orks to be their servants.  Unfortunately, the Orks stopped them from eating the special fungus, and they reverted to Snotling levels of intelligence.

 

Many Ork Warlords had human advisors, though they had to disguise themselves as Orks and were usually kept in the background.

 

Some humans admired the Orks so much, they would form warbands allied with Orks, dress as Orks and attempt to be Orks.  (It usually didn't end so well for them.:) )

 

Ghazkull used to have a Grot banner bearer named Makari, who brought him 'good luck'.  (In game terms, a 2++ save.)

 

Trukk Boyz used to only be injured on a 6+ instead of a 4+ when their trukk exploded, because they were so used to their ramshackle vehicles falling apart on them.

 

Ork buggies towing field artillery used to be able to unhitch them on the move, so as to get to the killing faster.

 

The Orks used to be so much fun. 

[BitsHammer]

Makari died by being sat on by Ghaz. I recall someone did a rather touching story about how Ghaz was upset how the little Grot wouldn't be able to "come back for another go" because he wasn't a proper Ork.

[karden00]

I have source material going back to Rogue Trader, including "'Ere We Go" and "Waugh the Orks".  Some of my favorites, in no particular  order:

 

Orks used to be able to have Ogryns in their armies; they really liked the size, strength and stupidity of Ogryns.

 

Ages ago, Snotlings ate some special fungus that made them super intelligent Brain Boyz, and they created the Orks to be their servants.  Unfortunately, the Orks stopped them from eating the special fungus, and they reverted to Snotling levels of intelligence.

 

Many Ork Warlords had human advisors, though they had to disguise themselves as Orks and were usually kept in the background.

 

Some humans admired the Orks so much, they would form warbands allied with Orks, dress as Orks and attempt to be Orks.  (It usually didn't end so well for them.:) )

 

Ghazkull used to have a Grot banner bearer named Makari, who brought him 'good luck'.  (In game terms, a 2++ save.)

 

Trukk Boyz used to only be injured on a 6+ instead of a 4+ when their trukk exploded, because they were so used to their ramshackle vehicles falling apart on them.

 

Ork buggies towing field artillery used to be able to unhitch them on the move, so as to get to the killing faster.

 

The Orks used to be so much fun.:(

 

That’s a brilliant list!!! I remember Makari and the banner, I cut my teeth on 2nd, so whenever I hear about gems like that I glaze over in nostalgia.

Cheers!

[Skaorn]

I remember a piece from the 3rd ed rulebook vaguely about the imperial navy trying to invade a planet of an unknown Xenos species. They ended up getting their butts kicked so bad they had to withdraw and blockade that reason of space. I liked it because it was a nice change from the usual glorious victory by SM against Xenos with no real presence.

[BitsHammer]

I remember a piece from the 3rd ed rulebook vaguely about the imperial navy trying to invade a planet of an unknown Xenos species. They ended up getting their butts kicked so bad they had to withdraw and blockade that reason of space. I liked it because it was a nice change from the usual glorious victory by SM against Xenos with no real presence.

Sounds like old Saharduin lore. Sadly as cool as a race of terrestial space sharks sounds they were later retconned into getting spanked by space furries Space Wolves during the Great Crusade.

 

Also NEVER look up Saharduin in google images with safe search off. The heresy is off the charts and I don't recommend it.

[Skaorn]

 

I remember a piece from the 3rd ed rulebook vaguely about the imperial navy trying to invade a planet of an unknown Xenos species. They ended up getting their butts kicked so bad they had to withdraw and blockade that reason of space. I liked it because it was a nice change from the usual glorious victory by SM against Xenos with no real presence.

 

Sounds like old Saharduin lore. Sadly as cool as a race of terrestial space sharks sounds they were later retconned into getting spanked by space furries Space Wolves during the Great Crusade.

 

Also NEVER look up Saharduin in google images with safe search off. The heresy is off the charts and I don't recommend it.

I'm not sure, I don't think they were real described, just that the Imperium was out matched by their tech. I'd have to pirate a copy of the rulebook to find it. An army of Street Sharks would be jawsome though :D

[BitsHammer]

 

 

I remember a piece from the 3rd ed rulebook vaguely about the imperial navy trying to invade a planet of an unknown Xenos species. They ended up getting their butts kicked so bad they had to withdraw and blockade that reason of space. I liked it because it was a nice change from the usual glorious victory by SM against Xenos with no real presence.

Sounds like old Saharduin lore. Sadly as cool as a race of terrestial space sharks sounds they were later retconned into getting spanked by space furries Space Wolves during the Great Crusade.

 

Also NEVER look up Saharduin in google images with safe search off. The heresy is off the charts and I don't recommend it.

I'm not sure, I don't think they were real described, just that the Imperium was out matched by their tech. I'd have to pirate a copy of the rulebook to find it. An army of Street Sharks would be jawsome though

 

They had some lore in the past (might be 2nd ed lore) where it basically matches the story. Basically the Imperium couldn't beat them so they tried to avoid them.

[Guest]

Tycho's fall to the Black rage.

[DogWelder]

Not sure if this is 'old' lore but I remember Ultramar actually had a human-led Senate on Macragge during 'Fall of Damnos' which the Ultramarines actually had to get in good graces with if they wanted to advance up the ranks. Which leads to a curious situation of regular humans having a say in how the Chapter is run.

 

This doesn't seem to be the case anymore in the post-'Dark Imperium' era where Guilliman made the Tetrarchs the ultimate authority in Ultramar and didn't even bother with the Senate.

[Combat_Vet]

Perhaps not forgotten but simply retconned,

 

Not all Space marine Chapters recruit. Some conscript. From the absolute dregs of human society. Killers of killers and sociopaths are sought by Chapters in the depths of certain hives.

 

For these conscripts, service to the Imperium and war would be absolution. Every day would be an opportunity to prove their worth (not scum) and would reinforce the teaching of the Emperor.

 

Living for the self = destruction

Death for fellow man = redemtion

[Ascanius]

Even "recruitment" is a generous word, considering we're talking about adolescent or pre-adolescent boys "choosing" to risk their lives as candidates; they're not exactly capable of making an informed choice at that age. ;)

[Laughingman]

That Fulgrim was married... on multiple occasions on chemos before the coming of the emperor. (source fulgrim the palatine phoenix). He appeared strongly egalitarian as well, a product of being raised a factor worker, rather then a simple conquer.

[bluntblade]

Perhaps not forgotten but simply retconned,

 

Not all Space marine Chapters recruit. Some conscript. From the absolute dregs of human society. Killers of killers and sociopaths are sought by Chapters in the depths of certain hives.

 

For these conscripts, service to the Imperium and war would be absolution. Every day would be an opportunity to prove their worth (not scum) and would reinforce the teaching of the Emperor.

 

Living for the self = destruction

Death for fellow man = redemtion

Google the Carcharadons and you'll see that facet is alive and kicking

[Laughingman]

The legions conscripted en mass, and the failure rate among aspirants were dreadful, in praetorian of Dorn, The imperial fist aspirant induction had one or two thousand aspirants at the beginning. 20 survived to be legionaries. Meaning to produce the number of legionaries that dorn requested upon the former legion master (30,000) they killed roughly 3000000 children if the original standard were kept. Given the imperial fists were a extreme example, Gulliman or the lion probably made it a point not to kill every aspirant who failed...

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Not all die who fail. Many become serfs. Like Garro's in Flight of the Eisenstein.