bluntblade Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Does it say who beat up Russ? If he's rendered comatose by heaps of elite/daemon-possessed SoH and Dreadnoughts, I'm OK with that. So long as he leaves several dozen vacancies in the First Company and others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Could imagine some interactions between Horus and Russ before Horus wants to get rid off him by drowning him in daemons and SoH Legionnairies. Russ would go berzerk, tearing them apart until he's overwhelmed and has to retreat, leaving another crack in his honor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Err yeah. Horus beat him up! Although I’m hoping it was Abaddon so that the Wolves can drink a lot and shout about how they taught another “lesson” Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 There's a distinct lack of blaze bayley/tough as steel references so far and I'm disappointed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Err yeah. Horus beat him up! Although I’m hoping it was Abaddon so that the Wolves can drink a lot and shout about how they taught another “lesson” would you mind taking your rhetoric down a notch, please? There are other people trying to enjoy this without stepping on anyone’s preferred faction... I think it’d be kinda neat if Russ is about to sacrifice himself doing something big (like killing Horus), but gets “saved” from doing that by a friendly. Kinda like a certain Star Wars character from episode VIII. Though I’d be just fine with a pure tragedy where nothing goes right, so long as there are a at least the appearance that Russ could have succeeded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 The beginning of Corax leaves things purposefully vague, but it's very explicit in the description of Russ's wounds... he's a total mess so it's highly likely that he's been mentally assaulted as badly as he has been physically. In terms of who and how... for me it has to be Horus and only Horus. We've seen a Primarch vs demon boosted Astartes, Corax made short work of Lorgar's Gal Vorbak pigs in The First Heretic. We've seen a Primarch vs massed Astartes infantry & Armor, see Vulkan bulldozing through 400+ Iron Warriors and throwing tanks left, right & centre in Vulkan Lives. We've seen a Primarch unarmed & un-armoured vs a surprise assassination attempt from the Alpha Legion, all dead in seconds, see Guilliman in The Unremembered Empire. Personally i think there's virtually no non Primarch warrior in The Heresy that can remotely challenge another Primarch and survive. If Sigismund drew swords with Fulgrim, he's dead. If Abaddon drew swords with Alpharius (see magical Deliverence Lost scene!) he's dead. If Khârn drew swords with Jaghatai he's dead. If Lucius drew swords with Perturabo he's dead. If Sharrowkyn drew swords with Curze he's dead. All very simples to me. Obviously time will tell, but needless to say i think we're all looking forward to seeing how this one turns out!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 This Warhammer, where beating SW's is a hobby enjoyed by primarchs down to cultists. So Russ will probably get taken down by some unknown SoH. SW are nothing but a beating bag with the word "executioner" written on it. I have little hope for any lore of SW's which is a rather let down. Upon closer inspection, they really screwed up Russ's face.... But I'm quite interested to see how the novel turns out, and I'm genuinely hopeful that Russ will get a good showing. How about this from the internal artwork, something a little different... Holy terra, what is this. O.o Those are werewolves sitting the the dining chairs..... Hmmm, horus strikes and he falls into the "Odin sleep (comatose)" Russ with a vision of the future. A future in which all of his children have degraded into werewolves, and he stands surrounded by his children in despair of what they've become I am going to agree with that, it looks like all the SWs have degraded to the curse and are Wulfen. Maybe this is the vision he has when he is in a coma. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceofAllTradez Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Anyone who picked it up have any opinions on it so far? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 My guesses: -Russ and SW get aboard Vengeful Spirit being like “surprise, :cuss -ers!”. Horus is like I knew you were coming why do you think I let you in?” And Russ is like “I knew you knew I was coming, but I’m going to kick your :cuss anyways!” -motifs about wolves vs wolves and “the loyalty of the pack” -Russ is saved by his two pups...but they don’t make it out. Bonus points if there is a line about “dogs will do anything to protect their master...they ignore even their own well being” or something along those lines -something the Wolves do while on Vengeful Spirit enables the ultimate showdown with Sanguinius, Emperor, Horus, etc... ...maybe Horus muses “hmmm...maybe I don’t have to find a way to get to my enemies...I just need to let them get to me...” -that artwork of Russ howling surrounded by werewolves has got to be a vision Horus psychically assaults Russ with Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Be prepared for some wolf on wolf violence. One thing's for sure...Wolf lives won't matter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I expect people who think Belisarius Cawl will be some big player in M31 are in for a disappointment. Facing off with Kelbor-Hal, really? His rank is given as Tech-Acolytum, that sounds pretty lowly to me. He may have more than a brief cameo but I really doubt he'll be key to the narrative. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I have it, I haven't read all of it. I have read parts of it out of sequence throughout the book (because I do what I want, regardless of author intent ) and I reckon I've covered about a third of it so far. Prospero Burns has a huge influence on the tone of the scenes with Russ and the rest of his Legion. It might be a good idea to re-read it before you jump into this. It covers a lot, including flashbacks to when Russ was discovered by the Emperor and a PoV piece from Horus' perspective as the Emperor asks him to take Russ under his wing and teach him about how the Imperium makes war. Guy shows the first elements of jealousy come into Horus, in that he is no longer the sole son of the Emperor and others will share in what he has with the Big E. Bjorn gets some serious page time in this, and from what I've seen he comes across rather well for it. It's obvious that we've entered the final stages of the series now, and authors are beginning to collect threads together and set the stage for the Siege. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I expect people who think Belisarius Cawl will be some big player in M31 are in for a disappointment. Facing off with Kelbor-Hal, really? His rank is given as Tech-Acolytum, that sounds pretty lowly to me. He may have more than a brief cameo but I really doubt he'll be key to the narrative. Which is just fine by me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Indeed. We don’t want Cawl being a major player on Mars 10k years prior to him being a major player. It wouldn’t make sense and wouldn’t explain why he wouldn’t be the Fabricator General. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Spoilers please! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Spoilers please! 10 Tempestus Scions says that it's Horus while he starts raging how Russ ruined everything when the Emperor found Russ. How it was better when it was just Emperor and Horus. Then uses chaos powers to put him in a coma and give him nightmares of the SWs all as Wulfen, or praising Wulfen. Hey! The 40k SW praise the Wulfen now, Russ's nightmare is coming true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDarth151 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Err yeah. Horus beat him up! Although I’m hoping it was Abaddon so that the Wolves can drink a lot and shout about how they taught another “lesson” would you mind taking your rhetoric down a notch, please? There are other people trying to enjoy this without stepping on anyone’s preferred faction... It's easy to say when it's not your preferred faction getting stomped on. Truth be told, as far as loyalist legions go, the Wolves are the Black Library's whipping boys, and the first in line when it comes to not living up to their reputation. It should not be surprising that so of us are less than appreciative of that fact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceofAllTradez Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Err yeah. Horus beat him up! Although I’m hoping it was Abaddon so that the Wolves can drink a lot and shout about how they taught another “lesson” would you mind taking your rhetoric down a notch, please? There are other people trying to enjoy this without stepping on anyone’s preferred faction... It's easy to say when it's not your preferred faction getting stomped on. Truth be told, as far as loyalist legions go, the Wolves are the Black Library's whipping boys, and the first in line when it comes to not living up to their reputation. It should not be surprising that so of us are less than appreciative of that fact. I thought they lived up to their reputation in Inferno, but I suppose that's just me. I also don't think getting stomped on all the time is a bad thing anyway. Wolves always seem to bounce back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 There is also a casual mention in Retribution that some Wolves wiped out an entire EC Millenial. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Err yeah. Horus beat him up! Although I’m hoping it was Abaddon so that the Wolves can drink a lot and shout about how they taught another “lesson” would you mind taking your rhetoric down a notch, please? There are other people trying to enjoy this without stepping on anyone’s preferred faction... It's easy to say when it's not your preferred faction getting stomped on. Truth be told, as far as loyalist legions go, the Wolves are the Black Library's whipping boys, and the first in line when it comes to not living up to their reputation. It should not be surprising that so of us are less than appreciative of that fact. Dude, I’m a die-hard Space Wolves player, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at lol. Sure I have a-lot of gripes with the Wolves portrayal, but at the end of the day its fiction, I can’t change what’s been written, so I might as well try to be positive. It’s not worth my time to feel anything worse than annoyance regarding works of fiction lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang_Guard23 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I take it from Prospero Burns that the reason the wolves got hit so much was because they were considered to be the only significant military threat to horus and his plans Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karden00 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I take it from Prospero Burns that the reason the wolves got hit so much was because they were considered to be the only significant military threat to horus and his plans Horus said something to that effect, yes. But he also said (see my sig) that the entire Heresy would be for nothing if the XIII were free to intervene. Timeline shenanigans are of course tricky, but according to what I've read, Prospero happened before Calth, and the Dropsite Massacre. I cannot really tell when Prospero burned with regards to Isstvan III. So yes, The Wolves were a significant military threat to Horus and his plans, but at the time he says so in Prospero Burns, he still could not count the XIIIth out, as Calth had not yet happened. I should point out, I don't recall in Prospero Burns if there is any hint of Isstvan happening (either of III or V) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Prospero happens before Istvaan V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5002984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I take it from Prospero Burns that the reason the wolves got hit so much was because they were considered to be the only significant military threat to horus and his plans Certainly not the only one. The Thousand Sons, Ultramarines (looking at Lorgar's actual intentions for Calth) and arguably Iron Hands were as high a priority. But still, the Wolves were high on the list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5003028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I think every single legion had the potential to tip the scales. Even the oft-forgotten WS...could you imagine if the Kham had sided with Horus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344025-hh-49-wolfsbane/page/3/#findComment-5003145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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