Rubric Marines with Other Legions

[Kite Senet]

What other legions does it make sense to paint up Rubric Marines in? One of the major themes in my Thousand Sons army's backstory is the mission of my warlord, the Exalted Sorcerer Senet, in gathering the Sons of Prospero from across the galaxy once again as one part of Ahriman's campaign to correct his Rubric; which begs the question, where would he actually be finding those Rubricae? I mean, I'm sure you wouldn't find Rubricae with the liveries of the World Eaters, Emperor's Children, and definitely not the Death Guard, and I know the Black Legion definitely uses Rubrics of some type (since one is on the cover of the book of the same name, which I need to read at some point), but in what contexts? Would they be (in terms of fluff) found with the Word Bearers, or Alpha Legion, or Iron Warriors, or Night Lords? What about Renegades? And what fluff exists depicting the "soulless automata" of the Thousand Sons under other banners?

 

Also, from a more hobby perspective, what other legion colors actually work well with Rubricae models? I'm at 50 of the Thousand Sons under their own symbol now, comprising liveries of a standard Thousand Sons blue/gold scheme with a squad each like the Silver Sons, the Crimson Sons, and the Black Legion Rubrics, and as I continue to collect more Rubrics I'd like to eliminate some of the intrinsic gameplay redundancy that necessarily crops up when you get up to that many Thousand Sons Rubric Marines.

 

(And another question: do non-Thousand Sons Aspiring Sorcerers get access to the Discipline of Change or is that for the Sons of Prospero only?)

 

Thanks!

--KiteSenet

Edited February 11, 2018 by Kite Senet

[Skerr]

Great topic as i have 39 Rubrics and could not really decide on 1 legion color. I am planning on four legion colors/ factions myself. I mentioned it in another thread but will summarise below.

 

Each faction has 10 rubrics (including 1 Asp Sorc) a couple exalteds on disc and a couple sorcerers.

 

Metallic Blue/ gold and silver trim/ white tabards/ yellow legion decals: SOT heavy,

 

Metallic Red/ gold and silver trim/ Black tabards/ yellow legion and pre heresy decals: Helforged/ pre heresy tanks and contemptors.

 

White/ gold and silver trim/ black tabards/ black legion decals: Tzangoor focus.

 

Black/ gold and silver trim/ white tabards/ white legion decals: deamon engine/ forge focus.

 

I have models painted for the blue and white and the other 19 are basecoated w retributor armor. 8 of those have warpflamers and i thought i would dump all 9 (including unit Sorcerer) in the black faction colors.

 

Reasons outside of not making up my mind.

 

I dont think i want to paint 19 more in metallic blue i would mad. Adding metallic red and black shakes it up bit. will likely get white decals of the flaming serpent and a stylized tzeentch symbol of my own design for the black faction..

 

I can use the stock gw decals for the mettalic blue and red factions. Might try painting faction design for the blue such as a stylized eye and order pre heresy 1k sons decals from FW for the metallic reds.

 

It also provides a bit of my own fluff for each by giving each a sort of theme.

 

I have 2 Ahriman, 1 I plan on metallic blue and the other in all four colors.

 

When i get Magnus I will paint him im all four color.

 

Edit: Switched Black Legion with Black Faction. I see the confusion now sorry.

Edited February 11, 2018 by Skerr

[Lucerne]

Khayon calls dibs on the rubricae of those who serve the black legion.

[Sonoftherubric21]

Thousand Sons have worked under tons of different armies, Night Lords, Word Bearers, Black Legion for sure, I am sure Iron Warriors. 

any of the "Equal opportunity" legions (so to speak)

In the fluff actually even Daravek (the Death Guard version of Abbadon basically) had a few Thousand Sons sorcerers and their Rubricae working for him, and while they didn't have his "colors" perse or his god-allegiance he did in fact use them. 

there is plenty of fluff precedent for chaos to co-mingle among legions, even world eaters or emperors children.  It may be a "short lived" alliance but they most certainly do happen.  Chaos has a bad habit of back-biting each other after their needs are met, but they also realize that at a certain point you need to be able to make *and keep* friends of some fashion or another to survive, thats how the Black Legion functions. 

 

Bare in mind that even Khayon (Thousand Sons sorcerer whos a Black Legion leader) who is the main character of the Black Legion series, well one of his closest friends is a World Eater, hes worked with them a fair bit. So there is definitely some precedent to play around with various ideas, and if you are looking for a more diverse 1k sons range you could always do....I think its the "Tizcan host"?  They are the thrallband that goes all over the galaxy working with various warbands and legions for various reasons, but all of their exalted retain a certain level of autonomy to do what they want. 

Edited February 11, 2018 by Sonoftherubric21

[WarriorFish]

I think the moustache twiddling backstabbing often portrayed for Chaos is a bit over cooked, as Son explains you've got to have some people you can count on if you want to survive - more so to prosper. Even if that's with caveats (e.g. the Dark Mechanicus so long as you pay the appropriate fee in a timely fashion), there will be some that can be relied upon to keep their end of the bargain.

[Skerr]

I did some catching up on Khayon last night and found it interesting. I dont think it will be an issue for a black themed faction and if Khayon comes calling he can join my faction, lol.

 

Utimately most of my armies go against grain and the warband colors in the dex inspired me paint rubrics in different ways.. All four of my factions no matter the color will bear the flaming serpent eating its tail on the left pauldron and a Tzeentch themed faction symbol on the other. i just wanted more than various shades of blue.

 

Seeing our overall structure of Magisters, cults and thrallbands the skys the limit.

Edited February 11, 2018 by Skerr

[Zodd1888]

I personally feel like TS are the oversight of CSM.

 

In every successful organization there is an objective observer who reports, making careful judgement calls along the way, for the larger purpose. They generally provide some kind of benefit but exist outside the normal organizational structure. In many companies these are the people who handle securities and liabilities. TS very much feel that way to me.

 

They're present, helpful enough to warrant their presence, but are serving a totally independent purpose. Tzeentchian purposes.

[Skerr]

I ammemded my post above from Black Legion to Black Faction and see the confusion i caused. Mistake on my part, thanks.

 

My black painted faction is meant to be more deamon engine and summoning focused and NOT associated to the Black Legion or their colors even if color schemes are similiar. Sorry about that but it fostered some good discussion anyway.

 

Update: I think i am going to scrap the 4 factions idea. the only reason i realized was because i have 25 rubrics assembled and basecosed gold. i think i am going to scrap some parts (dragon backpacks, beaked inferno bolters, icons of flame, etc... .it was a long process but i enjoyed painting each piece individually before assembly with my Hermetic Blade inspired Rubrics. I dont want to paint assembled models in that cold white with a hand brush. I airbrushed the white base and baby blue shading and would want to do that again so planning on sticking to white for my army.

 

I'll see if I can dissassemble my gold rubrics and start from scratch but will likely end up breaking parts since i used cement.

Edited February 12, 2018 by Skerr

[Kite Senet]

I see. I was actually pretty curious about how one would paint metallic red and blue myself; the red on GW/FW's Heresy-era Thousand Sons is just stellar. I know there's some Tamiya product that can be used for that sort of thing, but I didn't really understand the details entirely and I don't have an airbrush to work with (which I think is necessary for that). Which reminds me, I have some grimy Primaris easy-builds that I need to paint with a flat mix of silver and red paint to determine how awful that would turn out. (The paint I use is naturally thin enough that one thin coat of blue over silver doesn't look so bad, so I'm not even sure it'll be as much of a failure as I anticipate.)

[MillionsSons]

Recently I tried the citadel blue gemstone, on top of black undercoat and a silver layer. It works pretty well.

I already use the green gemstone (soul stone?) similarly for gems.

Edited February 13, 2018 by MillionsSons

[Skerr]

i used Ammo by Mig Metallic Blue. I used Duncan's method, hand painted the blue after gold basecoating. With some nuln oil gloss to dim it and turned out how i wanted.

There are a lot of metallic blues out there but Migg'S is the one I think looks best for the hue of 1k sons I was going for.

It's very thin and I did 2 to 3 coats also which helped to cover the gold more.  With 1 maybe 2 coats it had a bit of bit metallic greenish hue, it looked good actually though i wanted the brilliant blue. The blue itself is called warhead metallic blue and is awesome if you go this route. I would probably airbrush it next time if I had not assembled and basecoated with retributor armor.

I had not sourced a metallic red as Ammo by Miggs is more of a copper I beleive. If any of you follow OrcPainterNerd on YT he did pre HH 1k sons Termies in a candy metallic red that looked sweet. I think the paint he used was not acrylic and harmful if a mask or improper ventilation was used. I do my best to stick to acrylic.

Edited February 13, 2018 by Skerr

[GreaterChickenofTzeentch]

i used Ammo by Mig Metallic Blue. I used Duncan's method, hand painted the blue after gold basecoating. With some nuln oil gloss to dim it and turned out how i wanted.

 

There are a lot of metallic blues out there but Migg'S is the one I think looks best for the hue of 1k sons I was going for.

 

It's very thin and I did 2 to 3 coats also which helped to cover the gold more. With 1 maybe 2 coats it had a bit of bit metallic greenish hue, it looked good actually though i wanted the brilliant blue. The blue itself is called warhead metallic blue and is awesome if you go this route. I would probably airbrush it next time if I had not assembled and basecoated with retributor armor.

 

I had not sourced a metallic red as Ammo by Miggs is more of a copper I beleive. If any of you follow OrcPainterNerd on YT he did pre HH 1k sons Termies in a candy metallic red that looked sweet. I think the paint he used was not acrylic and harmful if a mask or improper ventilation was used. I do my best to stick to acrylic.

Tamiya metallics come in spray cans also, that are pretty safe and no need for an airbrush. The OP might want to check out their mica line. TS-39 is the code for red mica and TS-85 is the brighter version.

[Kite Senet]

Unfortunately, I live in the wintery northern plains and there's very little time in the year where it isn't either substantially below freezing, or ridiculously windy, or hot, ridiculously muggy and humid; my understanding is that spray paints and primers tend to work very poorly in high humidity, and if I tried to spray outside right now I'd just be bombarding my minis with frozen paint if I could hit them at all with this wind. I end up brushing on all my primers and varnishes already because of that.

[Skerr]

I am in a humid envornment most of the year and makes priming and base coating with spray frustrating. I recently started airbrushing primer and have to say I was very impressed with the results. I had a good year or so of airbrushing under my belt before trying out primer and i ended up getting a bigger needle and nozzle for primers and finishes.

 

I can prime year round now and some of the white primers are truly white.

 

If your willing to make the investment in money and time an airbrush offers great flexibility. I still hand brush a lot BTW.

[Kite Senet]

I'm thinking Alpha Legion might be an interesting option currently; I have some unpainted CSM that I converted into Rubrics that might stand out a bit in the Thousand Sons lineup, and an unconverted Terminator Sorcerer that really doesn't seem to fit in T-Sons. (I have $80 burning a hole in my pocket from selling a certain Sorcerer in another tabletop game which has spiked lately due to an unbanning, so I'm kinda trying to figure out what minis would give me the most bang for my buck.) I'm not 100% convinced that buying into the main CSM codex is the way to go though; I was kinda wishing to try painting some Alpha Legion Khorne STEALTH-zerkers, but that option doesn't look so amazing compared to plain ol' Tzaangors when I think about it.

 

Which reminds me, I have some grimy Primaris easy-builds that I need to paint with a flat mix of silver and red paint to determine how awful that would turn out. (The paint I use is naturally thin enough that one thin coat of blue over silver doesn't look so bad, so I'm not even sure it'll be as much of a failure as I anticipate.)

Update on this: It was in fact a failure. Two parts Army Painter Dragon Red to one part Army Painter Shining Silver just makes a silver that looks vaguely pink in the right light.

Edited February 17, 2018 by Kite Senet