Mushkilla Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I hear the same, 80" range on the volcano lance. On the conflagration cannon he says: "18", S6, Ap-1, 2 damage, Auto-hits, Heavy 3 D6 damage" I'm guessing he means Heavy 3d6 shots, 18", Auto-hits, S6, Ap-1 D2 for the stat line. 3 shots seems like way too few for a knight sized flamer weapon.Yeah 3d6 is what I think it is. I wonder what the movement characteristic is on the castellan/Valient. Guns are nice but we still need to be able to play the mission. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanista Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 At this point, it's the armiger/hellverin rules I really want to see. The big sluggers are obviously gonna be the show pieces, but I think the little brothers will make or break the pure list Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodusXIII Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 At this point, it's the armiger/hellverin rules I really want to see. The big sluggers are obviously gonna be the show pieces, but I think the little brothers will make or break the pure list I agree. I'm not really interested in the big Knights, but I would like to expand my Household with smaller ones to fit into the typical points/PL range of the games I play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosteldar Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 At this point, it's the armiger/hellverin rules I really want to see. The big sluggers are obviously gonna be the show pieces, but I think the little brothers will make or break the pure list I agree completely! I'll likely use the Armigers first with my AdMech while I work on getting more knights to expand to a knight-only list. And we'll definitely need the Armigers/Hellverin to round out the forces. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 At this point, it's the armiger/hellverin rules I really want to see. The big sluggers are obviously gonna be the show pieces, but I think the little brothers will make or break the pure list I agree. I'm not really interested in the big Knights, but I would like to expand my Household with smaller ones to fit into the typical points/PL range of the games I play. Thirded. Fourth'ded :) The new options and new Knights are great. But we have big guns. Big guns were never an issue. You're quite right - it's the supporting cast that's really going to determine our viability - especially in pure lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanista Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 If my 2k army is now <1500, then I can hopefully fit 2 Hellverins in and I'm done for 1750 and the GT. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 If my 2k army is now <1500, then I can hopefully fit 2 Hellverins in and I'm done for 1750 and the GT. Do you think it's going to drop that much? Sure, the armigers are getting a lot cheaper but the decreases in points for the big guys seem pretty modest Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushkilla Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Yeah I'm really curious about the hellverin. I love the speed of the armigers. I'm also more of a fan of knights that work well in all phases of the game. As cool as a walking baneblades is I'll probably skip the castellan/Valient. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanista Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 If my 2k army is now <1500, then I can hopefully fit 2 Hellverins in and I'm done for 1750 and the GT. Do you think it's going to drop that much? Sure, the armigers are getting a lot cheaper but the decreases in points for the big guys seem pretty modestI run 4 Armigers, 60 point drop on each pays for one, I only need another 80/90 points of savings and with some fine tuning could be there. There being 1750. Would need to change the Styrix out for further savings though, my faith in FW to update costs/rules is limited Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 If my 2k army is now <1500, then I can hopefully fit 2 Hellverins in and I'm done for 1750 and the GT.Do you think it's going to drop that much? Sure, the armigers are getting a lot cheaper but the decreases in points for the big guys seem pretty modest I run 4 Armigers, 60 point drop on each pays for one, I only need another 80/90 points of savings and with some fine tuning could be there I don't get it. 4 armigers would save you 240 points with the rumoured drops. 2000-240=1760. The helverins are probably going to be in the 175 range, so two of them would add upp to 350 points. That puts you at 2110. So you'd need 360 points to drop to make 1750. Or am I just dumb and you meant that you're aiming for 2k with those 2 extra helverins? Or did you mean that one of those four amigers becomes a helverin instead and you just add one more? That would still be tight, no? 2000-180=1820 1820+350=2170 So you'd still need 170 points to scurry away elsewhere in the list. That might be possible but I'm not sure Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanista Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Edited the above ^ I blame long day and not being right from last weekend's concussion, lol. Plus pushing a pram round primarni at the time. 4x Armiger with meltagun - (177 x 4) 708 Crusader rfbc/avenger - 485ish Errant - 400ish hellverin - 160ish Is probably about 1750 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Edited the above ^ I blame long day and not being right from last weekend's concussion, lol. Plus pushing a pram round primarni at the time. 4x Armiger with meltagun - (177 x 4) 708 Crusader rfbc/avenger - 485ish Errant - 400ish hellverin - 160ish Is probably about 1750 Yeah, with one helverin I think it's totally plausible. It's just that you wrote 2 in the first post and that sounded ambitious haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanista Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Edited the above ^ I blame long day and not being right from last weekend's concussion, lol. Plus pushing a pram round primarni at the time. 4x Armiger with meltagun - (177 x 4) 708 Crusader rfbc/avenger - 485ish Errant - 400ish hellverin - 160ish Is probably about 1750 Yeah, with one helverin I think it's totally plausible. It's just that you wrote 2 in the first post and that sounded ambitious haha. See aforementioned concussion comment. Lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Seriously, we don't have any problem taking down big, multiwound units. If you want to make knights good and viable then you have to add a point efficient way to take down hordes. The new knights unfortunately seem like more of what we already have. Fingers crossed for the helverins though :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeStinyFiSh Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/05/40k-breaking-new-knight-mini-character-pics.html http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/character-1.jpghttp://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/character-2.jpghttp://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/character-3.jpg Hello Sir Hekhtur ! Looks like WD Pics? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/05/40k-breaking-new-knight-mini-character-pics.html Hello Sir Hekhtur ! Looks like WD Pics? The knight itself isn't doing much for me, it's just a knight. But I sure hope this means we get all of our pilots on the board if the machine blows up! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Now this person needs to leak the rest of the WD photos. Someone show these to Gw stat! Then they will make a response video Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I'm loving his Imperial issue lunchbox. The Emperor Provides!... sandwiches? There's really no doubt that the laser is inspired by the Atrapos weapon in that picture either is there? :) - great to see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 So what, an extra sprue to make the character? I'm hoping the name is just for product reasons and he's just otherwise a load out. The sculpted knee points to otherwise though. Having a couple plastic pilot options is SO COOL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 That armor he's wearing is even more reason to pair Scions with knights, same trim and everything. My only concern is the character kit will make me want to redo my first knight to some degree since at the moment he's supposed to be the leader of my knight lance. Otherwise the character knight will be his champion. So many possibilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodusXIII Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I'm hoping the name is just for product reasons and he's just otherwise a load out. The sculpted knee points to otherwise though. He's supposedly a Freeblade special character, so it's unlikely to be a generic loadout. There's nothing to say that you couldn't repurpose it as a different Knight, just as you can use Marneus Calgar's rules/model to represent your own Ultramarines character if you'd like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Oh, detailed rumors and pictures the one time i'm not hammering these threads for updates every 5 minutes. But finally. Pictures! I can have something to look at! And that's the standard GW kit alright with an upgrade alright. The old legs, old most of it really, but with some new stuff! (Shield, faceplate, banner, wolfheads instead of eagles, oh and of course the weapon (notice how the laser weapon still uses the old thermal cannon weapon shield though?)) Also the small weapon was different, as some eagle eyed folks suggested from the earlier drawn picture. Might have to get this guy even if I don't plan to make the freeblade, just for the pilot and unique parts I still think the knights are due to be very imminent now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodusXIII Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Also the left kneepad. Strange that the weapon's blast shield was assembled without the chain mounts, but that might be an oversight by the modeler. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodusXIII Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I'm loving his Imperial issue lunchbox. The Emperor Provides!... sandwiches? It's a suitcase life support system, similar to the kind carried by astronauts before jacking into their launch vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I'm loving his Imperial issue lunchbox. The Emperor Provides!... sandwiches? It's a suitcase life support system, similar to the kind carried by astronauts before jacking into their launch vehicles. Are you suggesting sandwiches are not part of life support systems? What if they get hungry? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/15/#findComment-5090956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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