Clingy Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucidNinja Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Well you could go 2 big knights and a little, still get traits and a warlord, just no extra CP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I'm going to Warhammer World in three weeks time for the 40k Doubles, its 1000 points per player. If I take Knights it means I get no house trait or other advantages because you simply cannot fit 3 of the required knight types into 1000 points. *Slow clap* Crusader, Gallant, and Helverin barebones is less than 1k. No bonus CP as said but you'd get everything else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Are the relics locked to houses? Like I can't get a single detachment with the plasma relic on a Castellan and the Gauntlet relic on a Gallant, correct? That really is my main use for CP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Are the relics locked to houses? Like I can't get a single detachment with the plasma relic on a Castellan and the Gauntlet relic on a Gallant, correct? That really is my main use for CP. Each house has a unique one, there are several unique to the imperial or mechanicus knights, and plenty of generics. The Fist is a generic last I checked but you'd need a mechanicus house for the plasma relic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 The plasma relic is only mechanicus and the conflagration relic is only imperialis. So the different sides get one dominus each basically. Of the top of my head, amongst the general weapons, the relic RFBC is house terryn and the relic TC is house taranis. There's also another relic chainsword (other than the ravager) that's house specific although I can't remember which house. And I seem to remember thinking that relic was worse than the ravager anyways. The paragon gauntlet, ravager, stormspear rocket pod, skyshield (icarus carapace) and endless fury (avenger) are all unbound though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I am really liking the relic Avenger. It is something like a 42% increase in damage output for no points and just your Relic slot. I can see this being the default relic in a lot of lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 More than a few will pay a CP for an extra relic, especially if you're taking a valiant and a warden/anything that can have an avenger. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I'm going to Warhammer World in three weeks time for the 40k Doubles, its 1000 points per player. If I take Knights it means I get no house trait or other advantages because you simply cannot fit 3 of the required knight types into 1000 points. *Slow clap* Crusader, Gallant, and Helverin barebones is less than 1k. No bonus CP as said but you'd get everything else. I'll be there too! I'm allied with Necrons so we only start with 1CP... AAAAND he doesn't want to bring a battalion as it means splitting his blobs of 20 Warriors up... So yeah. It's rough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I'm going to Warhammer World in three weeks time for the 40k Doubles, its 1000 points per player. If I take Knights it means I get no house trait or other advantages because you simply cannot fit 3 of the required knight types into 1000 points. *Slow clap* Crusader, Gallant, and Helverin barebones is less than 1k. No bonus CP as said but you'd get everything else. I'll be there too! I'm allied with Necrons so we only start with 1CP... AAAAND he doesn't want to bring a battalion as it means splitting his blobs of 20 Warriors up... So yeah. It's rough. We should maybe get a couple of doubles teams from the board one year. B&C Knights represent etc :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 If Gallants were 20ishpts cheaper you could bring 3 in 1K though that would be BRUTAL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Are certain houses locked to mechanicum or imperium then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 If Gallants were 20ishpts cheaper you could bring 3 in 1K though that would be BRUTAL.Use to be able to field 3 at 1k, in 7th. The price hike for 8th was uncalled for. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Are certain houses locked to mechanicum or imperium then? Yep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Mkay, well, house hawkshroud with relic avenger on my crusader, then I will use two of my CPs to make my gallant a character with a warlord trait to boost his output and the relic gauntlet with another CP. Then I will have 4 CP left. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedratsailor Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 options I came up with for 1750 and works with the lance detachment. 1748 valiant, 2x cannon, 2 missiles warden errant 2x helverin 1750 castellan, 2x cannon, 2 missiles 2x gallant w/ stormspear 2x helverin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 options I came up with for 1750 and works with the lance detachment. 1748 valiant, 2x cannon, 2 missiles warden errant 2x helverin 1750 castellan, 2x cannon, 2 missiles 2x gallant w/ stormspear 2x helverin I'm in the same 1750 points boat as you, just what people have started to agrre on playing locally. That hurts pure knights pretty bad IMO. I like your first list but I'm of the opinion that gallants shouldn't have carapace weapons if they need to advance first turn, so the second list isn't my thing.. Something I was tinkering with as a pure knight list was this: Castellan w/ 2x siegebreaker 1x missiles, 604 points (relic plasma) Preceptor w/ ironstorm rocket pod 435 points Gallant, 354 points (relic gauntlet) Helverin w/ heavy stubber, 174 points Warglaive w/ melta, 177 points That's 1744 points, if I'm real lucky that would still afford me to swith out the preceptor heavy stubber to a multi-laser, just for fun (and why not?) This wouldn't be the strongest list but it has a nice spread of units I'd like to try out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I wouldn't mix and match Armiger personally, if you're taking 2 I'd take 2 of the same time to maximise the efficiency at 1.75k why have 8 sweep attacks when you can have 16 or why have 4d3 shots when you can have 8d3 shots? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I wouldn't mix and match Armiger personally, if you're taking 2 I'd take 2 of the same time to maximise the efficiency at 1.75k why have 8 sweep attacks when you can have 16 or why have 4d3 shots when you can have 8d3 shots? Agreed, while fluff wise mine will be a bit more mix and match on the tabletop it would be better to take two of the same based on what your big knights lack. I you take a Valiant take a pair of Helverins to hang back, Castellan with Warglaives, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanista Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Valiant, 2 Gallants and 2 guard battalions one being a battery. Yes it's silly, but running 3 knights with 16 starting cp means you can blow your 6 to start and still have 10 to use/regen in the game. More than enough to get the use of the massive amount of strats we could have access too Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 So, for a close combat army: Gallant Avenger or RFBC with reaper or gauntlet Valiant Warglaive For a shooty army Crusader Castellan Helverin Thermal or Avenger with melee Which is better for CC army: House Cadmus or Mortan? Ranged is better with Vulker, Hawkshroud, or Raven? I need to decide what direction Im going with my army, and go full in on that. I own a Warden and Crusader, and just bought renegade. Oh, and two warglaives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Anyone else notice the distinct lack of limitations on Death Grip. It literally says 'model'. I mean, technically (and I wouldn't advise this for obvious reasons) you could Death Grip a Warlord Titan. (You best roll damn well :P) Someone, therefore, needs to run up to Mortarion, grab him by the throat, squeeze and state: 'I find your lack of faith (in the Emperor) disturbing.' First to do so with pictures gets the beer! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodusXIII Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 It literally says 'model'. I mean, technically (and I wouldn't advise this for obvious reasons) you could Death Grip a Warlord Titan. (You best roll damn well ) You laugh, but I once had a toddler latch onto my Achilles tendon as I walked past. It's an unexpected but not ineffective tactic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aothaine Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Probably I’ll use hawkshroud all day long because i like durability. I feel ya here. If I ally in something I'm leaning toward a few units of Crusaders with priests and maybe a Primaris Psyker as the HQ. Something like this maybe: [HQ] Primaris Psyker [E] Crusaders x4 [E] Crusaders x4 [E] Crusaders x4 [E] Ministorum Priest [E] Ministorum Priest [E] Ministorum Priest It is a little bit more expensive than other detachments but is pretty cool and can be used to help protect flanks and help screen the knights a little bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Momotaro Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but are Freeblades not allowed to take Relics if your Warlord isn't a Knight? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page/46/#findComment-5098536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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