Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Back on topic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5081622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 Sorry. MoM also suggests that Sanguinius lacked the kind of self-belief that suffused Horus, or at least serious discomfort with the way that the common soldiery adored him, which might well have hindered him. I mean, I don't like that Horus falters as easily as he does in False Gods but it's down in canon that he does. It's hard to see a being so wracked by self-doubt not struggling sooner than Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5081771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 I'm increasingly thinking that Sanguinius and co needed a middle novel, one that really shows them confronting a changing Galaxy head-on and wrestling with the Rage and Thirst. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5082233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagashnee Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 I'm increasingly thinking that Sanguinius and co needed a middle novel, one that really shows them confronting a changing Galaxy head-on and wrestling with the Rage and Thirst. Uh please no, i would argue the opposite, they needed a first novel, one that actually shows us the legion pre Rage and Thirst and looks into what makes them them. Like a scars or a dante. So we can then follow their change in the heresy scouring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5082268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 That's just wishing for a retcon. A follow-up would've been rather more feasible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5082380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Would it be a better storyline or character development if Sanguinius lost his primary arm on Signus Prime? Is Sang a lefty? How about the other Primarchs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5082402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 I really don't see how. And if Astartes are ambidextrous, Primarchs surely are too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5082428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Would it be a better storyline or character development if Sanguinius lost his primary arm on Signus Prime? Is Sang a lefty? How about the other Primarchs? ...Wut? No really, what? Dude, I know you come out with some nonsensical things, but that's just weird. As for getting a "retcon", we know we're getting a Primarch novel at some point, which will hopefully deal with Sanguinius' first few years under the Emperor, rather than being a 40k Fallout novelisation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5082528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 i know i'm a bit of a horus rising fanboy, but his small depiction in that remains my favourite. aloof, but there was a quiet and slightly mysterious. a bit unfair since it was the first and brief, but iév found most of the follow ups don't match the expectation that set for me i'm all down for another book, set at the beginning or middle or wherever. bring back some majesty Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5082619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Lunkhead Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I'm an unashamed Horus Rising fanboy too...... Sanguinius does stay a bit in the shadows and seems to be acting as sort of a quiet advisor to Horus for the most part (at least that's my impression). But, if you look at all of the acts in the book where he is present he comes across as very comfortable with Horus and exhibits an easy confidence. In the heated debate between Horus and Abaddon over how to deal with the Interex, Sanguinius quite confidently interjects his own defense of Horus and once again quite confidently. Although we don't get a lot of face time with the Angel, what little we get gives me the impression of a Primarch who understands his position and is quite comfortable in his own skin. My opinion of Sanguinius remains positive. He definitely comes away form the battle of Signus Prime shaken and a bit damaged, but still unbowed. I think I've explained my position on Imperium Secundus and Sanguinius. Still........ we could use another centerpiece for Sanguinius before the siege to solidify his importance and set the stage for his martyrdom. I think it would be a huge mistake on BL's part not to give us this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5082714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Sorry. MoM also suggests that Sanguinius lacked the kind of self-belief that suffused Horus, or at least serious discomfort with the way that the common soldiery adored him, which might well have hindered him. I mean, I don't like that Horus falters as easily as he does in False Gods but it's down in canon that he does. It's hard to see a being so wracked by self-doubt not struggling sooner than Horus. This made me seriously ROFLMAO. Sorry Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 Why? MoM has Sanguinius troubled by the adulation he receives. Being less beloved by the brotherhood as a whole and seeming aloof in a way that Horus certainly is not, it seems entirely reasonable to deduce that the pressures would have overwhelmed him as swiftly as they did Horus, if not sooner. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 He never said he was troubled though . You know Horus was absolutely terrified of him right ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 Horus was wary of him. Deeply so, just as he was of Russ and Magnus. Specifically in a confrontation between their Legions. MoM shows Sanguinius being troubled by it. Eyes being a window to the soul and all that. Horus was the better choice, which is the key to his tragedy. It's Harvey Dent going insane, Lucifer falling. The best fails. As opposed to "that other guy was always better because he was perfect". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 No it didn’t. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 Yes it did. I will quote it as soon as I'm home. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I read the novel . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 That doesn't mean you didn't miss anything, or that you didn't interpret things through a very particular prism. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedor Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I've just finished Ruinstorm and thought that it was a good start in expanding Sanguinius character post imperium secundus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 That doesn't mean you didn't miss anything, or that you didn't interpret things through a very particular prism. Same can be said about you too . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 Quite possibly, but you seem to be forcing things into a particular interpretation at points, and in some cases in a way that's quite contrary to the author's stated aims. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagashnee Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 That's just wishing for a retcon. A follow-up would've been rather more feasible. Why? Look at Dante and how it did a book set in the present while giving half its page count to events set in the distant past. And even if it is wishing, if you limit your wishes to the feasible you have very poor taste in wishes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 I'm struggling to remember why I took issue with that, given my own longings regarding False Gods, GiF and FotE. I recognise my failing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 They retcon all the time but often not for the better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5083548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 18, 2018 Author Share Posted May 18, 2018 That quote, then: Sanguinius was next, reluctant and wrathful and soulful Sanguinius, the Emperor's eagle-winged son and the living avatar of the Imperium. The cries that met his presentation rang loudest of all, and the tens of millions of men and women gathered below with far too distant to ever see how their near-worship flickered uneasily in the Angel's eyes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/6/#findComment-5085504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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