Dagoth Ur Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Meh meta Primarch would have done a better job that’s for sure Well how about you explain the term then since nobody in this thread seems to understand what this meta primarch is supposed to be? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5086195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Lunkhead Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I too am a bit befuddled by this term...... What is a Meta-Primarch Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5086553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 20, 2018 Author Share Posted May 20, 2018 I believe it's meant to be like a Primaris Marine. Presumably the category maybe includes Horus and absolutely does not include Russ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5086638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I believe it's meant to be like a Primaris Marine. Presumably the category maybe includes Horus and absolutely does not include Russ. Oh so, abject fanboy-ism? I'll pass thanks. I like well done stories and characters. :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5086677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 20, 2018 Author Share Posted May 20, 2018 I believe it's meant to be like a Primaris Marine. Presumably the category maybe includes Horus and absolutely does not include Russ. Oh so, abject fanboy-ism? I'll pass thanks. I like well done stories and characters. :p Exactly. On both counts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5086757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Lunkhead Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Soooo..... are Sanguinius' wings a mark of metaism? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5087420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 21, 2018 Author Share Posted May 21, 2018 No no no, his Better Than Everyone Elseness is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5087525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karden00 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 HeritorA called, he wants his Black Orange back Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5087770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 He’s out of luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5087869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Aaaaaaaanyway... I'm all on board for his big siege moment to be his facing down Angron, and since banishment =/ true death I could even see him taking the Red Angel out of the fight, period. Ka`Bandha's a good nemesis for the Blood Angels at large, but after Swallow's treatment of him he's a bit harder to take seriously in a punch-up with Sangy. If it comes to pass, I hope we get a bit more of what his brother thought of him, rather than more oh-woe-is-me navel-gazing. I maintain that I dislike the plot point of him damaging Horus` armor, though. Atop being a somewhat meaningless wound in a clash between psykers, to me it cheapens his character to have his death be a suicidal charge for a small advantage over spitting in the face of his certain doom. Different strokes, I suppose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5087900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I maintain that I dislike the plot point of him damaging Horus` armor, though. Atop being a somewhat meaningless wound in a clash between psykers, to me it cheapens his character to have his death be a suicidal charge for a small advantage over spitting in the face of his certain doom. Different strokes, I suppose. A suicidal charge for simply a chance at spitting in the face of his certain doom would be in character, its not like 'oh well lets leave to fight another day' is an option here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5087901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I maintain that I dislike the plot point of him damaging Horus` armor, though. Atop being a somewhat meaningless wound in a clash between psykers, to me it cheapens his character to have his death be a suicidal charge for a small advantage over spitting in the face of his certain doom. Different strokes, I suppose. A suicidal charge for simply a chance at spitting in the face of his certain doom would be in character, its not like 'oh well lets leave to fight another day' is an option here. Fair, but the duress of the situation doesn't mean it's not a different kind of sacrifice. I feel it speaks to a different strength of character to go "Horus could swat me like a fly, and still I defy him" over "I will strike him a lasting blow, even if it kills me." Perhaps more petty in the moment, but thematically it's a grand statement of loyalty and principle, rather than what's ultimately an act of desperation. Perhaps it's not a point that works anymore: now that the primarchs are all mega-marines and that Russ managed to do the same. YMMV of course, but the OG version just hits the feels, the lack of any triumph at all feels all the more tragic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5087911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I hope that Sanguinius kills Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 Brothers, we are trolled. I'm done with this thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Lunkhead Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 No no no, his Better Than Everyone Elseness is. Ahhh...... I see Thank you for clearing up that silliness for me. Meanwhile.... back at the ranch....... the big siege moment..... I think I'm ready for that too. Hopefully the Siege of Terra while be over several volumes and we get some more substantial moments with Sanguinius before his tragic demise. As far as the sacrifice itself goes we can theorize and theorize until the cows come home or in this case the last HH novel is released, but we won't have anything substantial to talk about until the end. I just hope it's a satisfying ending. My only hope at this point is that the HH Cabal is saving up it's collective creative energy to end this thing in as strong a fashion as it began. Who do you think has the pulse on Sanguinius and should take us to his final chapter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 Oh, drag me back then. AD-B has staked out a strong claim for the BA, and I'd like to see them get roles in French and Wraight contributions. Apart from anything else, AD-B has proven with Lorgar and Angron that he can do a melancholic but still fearsome character. In temperament, Sanguinius shares elements with both of those two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Sanguinius kills Horus. The powers that were possessing Horus (btw, he actually was possesssed the whole time) invade Sanguinius' body. Emperor arrives. Chaotic powers, in the much more powerful meta-Primarch body, are too much for the Emperor. Before the killing stroke, the spirit of Sanguinius regains control of his body, allowing the Emperor to kill him. Dorn arrives. Emperor tells Dorn that no one must know about Sanguinius. Horus gets all the blame, Sanguinius gets a holiday after him. The world weeps. Black Orange rejoices Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Lunkhead Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Welcome back Brother bluntblade..... your absence was keenly felt A D-B would be an excellent choice He does have a way with the doomed and the damned. Still.... I really liked Fear to Tread and have generally enjoyed Swallow's work on the Blood Angels (mostly). The trouble is for me he either works or he doesn't..... I have no middle ground with him. I guess A D-B it is. TheRealMcCagh: Are you Black Orange's alternate avatar? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I would love to see Abnett or French write this tome. I can totally see Sangy taking out Horus too but not needing any outside help. Of course it has to be a hard fought battle. I would love it for a nice retcon and Sangy is entombed in a Primarch dreadnaught suit. Gosh that would be so BAeques cool !!! /tearsofjoy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 That would make Sanguinius so absurdly powerful as to nullify the drama, and just generally be a bad move. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Sure that is your opinion but we all know you don't like Sangy so well yeah Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I think this is a troll thread TBH . This is a peeing contest - I am out. Shame on the mod for instigating. He’s not a mutant he is a meta Primarch. If you want him to be full of doubt spulain how he crushed lots of greater Daemons. What it really is you want him to be messed for your own reasons so you project here and quite poorly at that TBH Which Primarch is your favorite ...you're back? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 I do like Sanguinius. I've stated, for the record, that I'm looking forward to seeing Sanguinius bring the pain to the traitors. I wish we'd seen him played a bit more proactively during the Imperium Secundus arc. What I don't want to see is Sanguinius being better than everyone else because he's just better. Jaghatai's my favourite Primarch, and I don't want to see him triumph over everything in his path. I like Russ, and if Russ had even scratched the Warp-swollen Horus without a weapon designed for the task, I'd have been exasperated. I'm not sure about how Sanders has played that scene as it is. What makes Sanguinius so glorious is that, for duty's sake, for the fate of Mankind, this demigod knowingly goes to his death. He gives up a life which may well be eternal. Sacrifice makes his legend. Victory, in comparison, would seem both absurd and dull. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 If you know you're going to die and when isn't that one less thing to worry about ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 There are many, many examples of people in stories who succumb to fatalism or personal weakness when faced with their prophesied death. Sanguinius chooses an honourable death over the betrayal that would save his life. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346586-sanguinius-and-his-flaws-or-otherwise/page/8/#findComment-5088726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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