b1soul Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Which primarch fights were handled well in your opinion? Which were handled poorly or just meh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 most of the adb stuff was good (lion/curze, lorgar/anyone) but dorn/alpharius is probably my favourite no matter how much i personally hated the outcome i have v mixed feelings over fulgrim/ferrus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manchu warlord Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Agreed, the fight between Dorn and Alpharius is probably the best one so far, but, unlike Mr. mc warhammer, I was satisfied with the outcome; a dead traitor Primarch is always a good thing. The worse one is probably the fight between Curze and Lion + Guilliman, in the Unremembered book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Lorgar/Angron vs Guilliman by ADB is probably the all time best. Great dialogue, great action. Other favourites would be Dorn vs Alpharius and Daemon-Fulgrim's curbstomping of Guilliman. ADB's Lion vs Curze fight was also really well done: I thought it showcased the respective character of the two Primarchs perfectly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I agree with most of what was already said. What I'd like to add: The Khan vs. Mortarion - another great one, imo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 The Unremembered Empire had the worst of them. Curze just steamrolled, the "power levels" felt completely out of tune with the rest of the series and then you got Curze vs Vulkan as well... where Vulkan went full Hulk. Amazing.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 The Khan vs Mortarion, Dorn vs Alpharius, Lorgar vs Corax (short as it was), Lorgar and Angron vs Guilliman were all great in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Corax vs Lorgar. Loved how Corax took Lorgar apart with ease. Lion vs Curze in Angels of Caliban was great. Khan vs Mortarion, really like that one as well, hoping for a rematch at the siege :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 idk if it qualifies but i liked reading the repercussions of dorn/curze in the lightning tower Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Huh, how did I forget the Khan & Morty. Definitely one that makes my list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manchu warlord Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Ahh! The fight/horseplay between the Lion and Russ was another great one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I have to admit, I’m not one for a standard battle where it’s too much into the mechanics of the battle. Instead I much prefer a fight where it showcases the qualities of one or both of the participants. Firstly, one of my favourites is Lorgar vs Daemon-possessed Fulgrim in Aurelian. For me this really hit home the change on Lorgar from the perceived weak priest pre-Heresy to the instrument of the Dark Gods post Istvvan V. The respect he gets from his brothers as he arrives into the council speaks volumes of his stature, but the fact that he can immediately detect that there’s a Daemon possessing Fulgrim and immediately starts to wail on him really shows his change. It’s admitably a short fight, and really one sided, but it leaves you in no doubt that you can’t underestimate Lorgar going forward. When he says that he’ll find a way to banish the Daemon and bring his brother back, I was in no doubt that he’d be able to. Secondly, and one that I’ve been debating whether or not to include, is Lorgar vs Fulgrim in Slaves to Darkness. As I’ve stated before I’m not doing spoilers, but I will elaborate a little here. Lorgar is sent by Horus to summon Fulgrim and his Legion for the final push into the Sol system and onto Terra. Fulgrim, having ascended to daemonhood by this point, has no real desire to participate as he’s already achieved his ultimate reward. The debate between the two about power and servitude, and the will of the gods is fascinating until it quickly devolves into a fight which had me at “Wait ... WHAT?!?!”. It’s not much of a spoiler that Fulgrim eventually returns to the war, with the news that early in the Siege arc we’ll see Fulgrim take on the Khan, but never underestimate Lorgar and what he’ll do to see the will of the Dark Gods implemented. For bad fights, one compatenant represented poorly does more harm for me than the actual action between the two. One that sticks in mind is Russ vs Horus in Wolfsbane, purely because of how badly Horus is represented when the two meet. He’s not grandiose, he doesn’t come across as either charming or threatening, he’s just corny. He swings mid conversation between “I will crush you and your puny Legion” to “all is forgiven if you join me!” so many times it made my head spin. The fight itself was pretty dire, but neither Primarch came off as believable in my eyes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I'll add another voice to Dorn vs. Alpharius. I loved how Dorn was in that. No words, no banter, just years of anger and betrayal coming out in battle. Lion vs. Russ in Russ' Primarchs book was also a highlight for me, it so nicely balanced the two sides of such a fight: it's two gods fighting, but at the same time it's two brothers, and it had just the right kind of visceral brutality for that. I also loved Sanguinius and Curze in Pharos, though admittedly that was more about their words than their blows. I can't think of many that struck me as outright bad, though Curze vs. Lion/Guilliman/Vulkan in Unremembered Empire went on far too long and got tiresome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleanse And Purify Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Lion versus Curze in "Savage Weapons." Best portrayal of the Lion yet. "Loyalty is its own reward." ADB, please write more Dark Angels my man. Go old school with it, give us some Plainsworld Deathwing, or the Angels of Vigilance...vigilating angelicly. Dedicate a story to the illustrious Brother Bethod and his pimp-standard. Save us, Dembskiwan Bownobi, you're our only hope. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slan Drakkos Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Fulgrim vs Ferrus is one of my favorite fights. Seeing Fulgrim fighting and killing his brother whilst daemon possessed and not even knowing it is just so sad. Vulkan beating Curze into the ground will always be one of the most satisfying "fights" in Black Library. Also, daemon Fulgrim stomping rawbutt girlyman was hilarious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 "Lorgar/Angron vs Guilliman by ADB is probably the all time best." What page of the book does this scene start ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5109411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 Guilliman vs. Fulgrim and Khan vs. Mortarion are my current faves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5110224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slan Drakkos Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 "Lorgar/Angron vs Guilliman by ADB is probably the all time best." What page of the book does this scene start ? page 328 for Lorgar and page 338 for when Angron comes in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5110297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 Lion vs. Russ Lion vs. Curze (Savage Weapons, Prince of Crows, Unremembered Empire, Angels of Caliban) Fulgrim vs. Ferrus Fulgrim vs. Perturabo Fulgrim vs. Guilliman Khan vs. Mortarion Russ vs. Magnus Russ vs. Angron Russ (Magical Spear) vs. Horus Dorn vs. Alpharius (I don't count Dorn/Curze...was likely a sucker-punch) Curze vs. Guilliman (Unremembered Empire) Curze vs. Vulkan (Unremembered Empire, Vulkan Lives) Curze vs. Sanguinius I don't count Curze/Corax...that was smack-talk and wrist-wrestling Sanguinius vs. Horus Angron vs. Guilliman (Betrayer) Guilliman vs. Lorgar (Betrayer) Guilliman vs. Omegon? Lorgar vs. Corax EDIT: Guilliman (Sword of the Emperor) vs. Magnus Short of the new Slaves to Darkness, which did I miss? I'll try to give my opinion on how well each is handled over the weekend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5110311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Thanks Slan ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5110634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Doesn't Curze save lorgar though? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5110674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slan Drakkos Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Doesn't Curze save lorgar though?only by appearing and suprising Corax with how ugly he is or some such nonsense.Thanks Slan !anytime. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5110696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I think Corax could have rolled them both up but he fled instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5110784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Lion vs. Russ Lion vs. Curze (Savage Weapons, Prince of Crows, Unremembered Empire, Angels of Caliban) Fulgrim vs. Ferrus Fulgrim vs. Perturabo Fulgrim vs. Guilliman Khan vs. Mortarion Russ vs. Magnus Russ vs. Angron Russ (Magical Spear) vs. Horus Dorn vs. Alpharius (I don't count Dorn/Curze...was likely a sucker-punch) Curze vs. Guilliman (Unremembered Empire) Curze vs. Vulkan (Unremembered Empire, Vulkan Lives) Curze vs. Sanguinius I don't count Curze/Corax...that was smack-talk and wrist-wrestling Sanguinius vs. Horus Angron vs. Guilliman (Betrayer) Guilliman vs. Lorgar (Betrayer) Guilliman vs. Omegon? Lorgar vs. Corax EDIT: Guilliman (Sword of the Emperor) vs. Magnus Short of the new Slaves to Darkness, which did I miss? I'll try to give my opinion on how well each is handled over the weekend. I don't know if matters to specify the 2v1's Guilliman vs Angron + Lorgar (Betrayer) Curze vs Guilliman + Lion (Unremembered Empire) I also do find it interesting how Lion and Curze went 4 bouts. Realistically, I imagine that would happen more often than not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5110786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Corax was relatively worn down. Curze would have likely ended him, at least holding him long enough for others to intervene. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348327-primarch-fights-the-good-and-the-bad/#findComment-5110870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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