Wulfburk Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 There was no mention of him in Ruinstorm or in Wolfsbane. Did BL writers forget him like parents forget to pick up their children after school? lol In Ruinstorm, IIRC there was no mention either of the Blood Angels fleet carrying all those space marines from the other legions outside of BA, DA and Ultramarines that were in Imperium secundus. Like those white scars and etc that are in Unremembered empire and angels of caliban. So... is Alexis Polux gonna be in the siege of terra or is he gonna miss it? He was pretty epic in the Crimson Fist and in Pharos.... would love to read more about him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarvek Val Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Hmm, you bring up an interesting question. The last I remember reading about him was during Pharos. Going off of the current fluff for the 40k era, we definitely know that he survives the Heresy... Alexis Polux goes on to found the Crimson Fists Successor Chapter, which goes on to earn great renown fighting against numerous xenos factions, including the eldar and their dark brethren. He dies some 800 years after the Heresy at the hands of a xenos race known as the Scythians, who fight with poisoned weaponry that is capable of laying low even an Astartes. I would certainly expect (and hope) to see him again in the war for Terra. He was a very important character in the Pharos arc, and his mastery of void warfare would make him a formidable asset to Guilliman and his reinforcements. Unless, as you said, he was literally forgotten somewhere along the line, I would be surprised if we did not see him again very soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Was he the dude that nearly killed Perturabo in void warfare? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 No. (Ie. No he didn't "nearly kill" Perturabo :) ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I think it was heavily implied the IW fleet would have been destroyed...don't see how Pert could escape that. Maybe tru to teleport to Polux's vessel and take over... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Well, Crimson Fist is a... controversial story. But even if we accept French's take on how incomptent Perturabo and his IW are, the novel does not give us cold numbers of how many ships were on both sides and how many were destroyed respectively. We Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I didn't see the story as Perturbo and company being incompetent, just working off of faulty data. The IW plan would destroyed the IF fleet if anybody than a master of naval combat was in command...say Sigismund, who was supposed to be in command and was known far and wide as Dorn's proxy. As it was, Polux managed to save something of the IF fleet by the skin of his teeth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Polux was on the brink of victory. Dorn's ill-timed message called him back...Polux's withdrawal caused his fleet to take severe damage Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 It was also a factor that, regardless of Sigismund's tactical acumen, his tactical tendencies were known to Perturabo. Faulty data indeed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I believe it was meant to show his mastery of void warfare in that he would have won but the Imperial Fists and their “absolutely must follow orders” mantra can be self harming. Of course BL would never let a Primarch come to such an inglorious end. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Of course BL would never let a Primarch come to such an inglorious end.They already did in Preatorian of Dorn. Same author, same protagnist Legion... I see a pattern in there.In short I think French's IF bias (or his dislike of IW) shows everytime he touches the subject. Tallarn counts too with IW achiving nothing except loses and Perturabo being humiliated at the end of the novel. And I don't think that Polux or Sigiamund being a commander has to do anything with Perturabo's strategy (or rarher convinient lack of it). He is a :cussin primarch and one of the more inteligent of the bunch. It's not like knowing (BTW how did Perturabo know that it was Sigismund who was in command?) what tactical tendencies x commander has (also what exactly were Sig's "tactical tendencies" in a void warfere really?) would stop him to adapt to anything IF could do. IF being cut off, with 1/3rd of the fleet lost before the battle, led by a dude who never before was in command of such large force vs entire Legion led by primarch, fresh and striking from position of ambush. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Polux was on the brink of victory. Dorn's ill-timed message called him back...Polux's withdrawal caused his fleet to take severe damage A pyrrhic victory perhaps, and I'm leery of giving them that much. I haven't read the story in a while, but I remember the Fists taken a pretty serious pounding in the opening of the conflict Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 A Primarch can still be caught of guard or blinded by his own eagerness or prejudices. The Diasporex show enough nous to nearly escape the Iron Hands. Admittedly Ferrus is working in tandem with Fulgrim, but by his own admission this was an enemy he couldn't bring to heel alone. Orfeo's defences and tactics on Armatura nearly kill Angron in a really undignified way. Four, four Primarchs are stymied by mere Astartes with fewer advantages than Pollux at Isstvan III. Can confirm that the Fists are indeed on the back foot and being savaged until Pollux adapts. Perturabo was just too caught up in his sadism and overconfident. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Of course BL would never let a Primarch come to such an inglorious end.They already did in Preatorian of Dorn. Same author, same protagnist Legion... I see a pattern in there.In short I think French's IF bias (or his dislike of IW) shows everytime he touches the subject. Tallarn counts too with IW achiving nothing except loses and Perturabo being humiliated at the end of the novel ....are you kidding? John's "IF bias"? Praetorian of Dorn was pretty much an Alpha Legion novel with the IF being undersold left and right by comparison. Considering that was the only real IF novel in the series so far, the Alpha Legion stole a great deal of the spotlight. They rocked that novel, directed the pace, and had the better of the IF for most of the book, before their own character, their own arrogance, came back to crush them. It was fully in keeping with their character as established, thinking themselves as too clever by half, underestimating the other Legions, and even working against themselves. It's been well-established for half the series at least, lest we forget The Serpent Beneath by Sanders. Perturabo in Tallarn had a very specific goal in mind for the whole campaign, and I really dislike Ironclad as a novel. Heck, that novel alone even showcases John's "bias" in favor of the Alpha Legion again, where the AL overshadowed the other protagonists/antagonists of that particular novel. Perturabo's actions on Tallarn make sense from his perspective, the problem was with how Ironclad approached the topic, explaining too little, too late, right at the end. Tallarn suffered as an arc from the way it was handled at the time, I'd argue, and would've needed a third novella/novel to round it off properly from Perturabo's end. I don't see any issue with Perturabo being humbled by Horus, however. Perturabo went out of his way to gain access to a potential weapon against the warp-spawn, believing he knew better, while Horus was already too far gone to see the warp as anything but a source of power. Perturabo also went to Horus out of his own shame for Olympia, where Horus promised him forgiveness, acceptance and redemption, whereas he feared the Emperor's disappointment and wrath. Seeing similar treatment as he feared now coming from Horus is utterly expected, thematic and explains a lot about how Perturabo will leave it all behind and isolate himself on Medrengard. He got the short end of the stick in all manner of ways. As for The Crimson Fist, Sigismund was Dorn's top-dog. He was supposed to lead the Retribution Fleet to Isstvan. Sigismund's entire approach would've been very different, much less defensive and more wrathful from that of Polux. Sigismund was the expected commander, and was taken off command on short notice. As far as I remember, Polux also went for a bit of a tactical gamble to behead the Iron Warriors. They took a massive beating, but also blunted the Iron Warriors and tied them down for a long time. Sigismund likely would've just gone on the offensive and been blinded by zealous wrath. That's what they counted on, anyway. And looking at how he'd go on to found an entire Chapter of zealots who chain their weapons to their wrists... well. It was a victory in many ways, and if it had been allowed to fully play out, it may very well have been the case that they'd have beaten the Iron Warriors. Likely, it'd have shredded both fleets to the point of becoming insignificant in the Heresy War at large. Both of these Legions were stoic and unyielding, though for different reasons, and both had long-standing grudges against the other. Had the recall not occured, they'd have fought it out for as long as it'd have taken, or maybe even prompted a recall from Horus himself. The other Legions had their own tasks (Phall supposedly occured around the same time as Chondax & Alaxxes, Calth, Armatura, etc). The retreat cost the Imperial Fists dearly, disproportionately so. Heck, it was even considered to ignore the recall and see it through, especially with that beheading action, which was utterly futile in the end. But had they not retreated, chances are, there'd have been no Imperial Fists fleet left to speak of for the remaining 7 years of the Heresy, even if they had succeeded in taking out the IW. Whatever the Imperial Fists achieved at Phall, it was very costly. But hey, John's got Slaves to Darkness out in a few weeks. The moment Perturabo doesn't pull off a clear win and actually has a nuanced position in the story, I guess it'll just confirm John's "dislike for IW" again anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I'd say that Praetorian of Dorn sold the Fists in quite a lowkey way Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfburk Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 . But had they not retreated, chances are, there'd have been no Imperial Fists fleet left to speak of for the remaining 7 years of the Heresy, even if they had succeeded in taking out the IW. Whatever the Imperial Fists achieved at Phall, it was very costly. But hey, John's got Slaves to Darkness out in a few weeks. The moment Perturabo doesn't pull off a clear win and actually has a nuanced position in the story, I guess it'll just confirm John's "dislike for IW" again anyway. Wasnt the retribution fleet merely 1/3 of the Imperial Fist fleet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 That's still a lot of fleet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZebraM Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Wasn't the IF fleet as big as all the other Legion fleets combined?For Polux, I assume we'll see him conducting the void war between loyalist and traitor forces over Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 @ rendington1+ "They already did in Preatorian of Dorn. Same author, same protagnist Legion... I see a pattern in there. In short I think French's IF bias (or his dislike of IW) shows everytime he touches the subject. Tallarn counts too with IW achiving nothing except loses and Perturabo being humiliated at the end of the novel." Primarch vs. Primarch is not humiliating Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enosh Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Wasn't the IF fleet as big as all the other Legion fleets combined? For Polux, I assume we'll see him conducting the void war between loyalist and traitor forces over Terra. Tallarn mentions the IW fleet to have at least 1000 ships anyway Betrayer had a human admiral beat Guilliman in void combat, so that one is even worse imho Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 i think there's a tendency to believe "battle won by x" means favouring x. a fairly literal interpretation i think PoD did a decent job of showing not only the IF and their primarch's strengths but also that he can be a total doorknob too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5120860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izlude Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 It would be nice to get more of him in the series but I doubt we will see more of Alexis since he is sort of stuck on Sotha. He is one of my favorite non-Primarch characters, I really enjoyed him in the series with his various appearances. His relationship with Dantioch is hands down my favorite and is touching. I love that he is clearly a void expert, more "human" for a IF, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5121040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 But hiding it behind a facade that no one sees through except maybe Yonnad. Even Archamus takes the stone face thing at face value. If we ever get "heroes of the Legions" shorts, I'd like to see one that shows us a bit of Pollux and Yonnad together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5121048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfburk Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 Yah but im not sure why he should be stuck at Sotha. When the primarchs mustered their fleets to try to go through the ruinstorm i think it would have made very much sense to have them also embark all those loyalist space marines from other legions that were in maccrage or other places, alexis polux included. Some lines relating to that could have been added in Ruinstorm the book. Maybe they were glossed over or these random legionaires were left in ultramar to assist their defence alongside whatever the ultramarines left there. Though id imagine alexis polux and every other imperial fist would have made their case to go alongside the fleet towards Terra.... After all if the primarchs thought the Emperor alive and that Terra hasnt fallen... the only thing they can take for granted then is that the imperial fists are the ones defending it, and so Dorn is probably alive too and Polux would really NOT want to be left in ultramar doing nothing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5121359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Hopefully we'll get a short. AD-B? Tell John we'll all buy his drinks for a night if he does it. Pretty please? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348774-where-is-alexis-polux-now-in-the-hh-series/#findComment-5121474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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