Doom Herald Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 I would read that as each model, otherwise I suspect they would have just said each unit with this trait can re-roll 1. But, they have been notching wording, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 It has come to my attention that the Scourged legion trait is ambiguous. Basically, the trait allows "a model" in a "unit with this trait" to reroll one die in each time "it" shootis or fights - it is ambiguous as to whether "a model" means "each model" or "1 model". So, when a Scourged unit of infantry fires, does each model get 1 reroll (which requires you to keep track of which models have already used), or does only 1 model get a reroll? Looks cleaar to me, every model get's a single re-roll. Messy to roll for each mini, but perhaps it'll be clarified in the next FAQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furnace Lord Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I think it looks pretty clear, as well. But there's always That Guy, and it's good to get the rules lawyer protection through clarification :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I'm inclined to think it is intended to be like the Sa'cea trait: one re-roll per unit, just written poorly. One per model is far too powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Yeah, my issue with it is that on a plain wording it can have either meaning, and the ambiguity can easily be fixed to either of the meanings by the change of one word - changing "a model" to either "1 model" or "each model". So, yes I think it should be FAQed, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I'm inclined to think it is intended to be like the Sa'cea trait: one re-roll per unit, just written poorly. One per model is far too powerful. Not to mention a nightmare to keep track of. I suspect you're right and that it will be clarified by GW to only be one reroll per unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Herald Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 Id personally like to believe the per model bit, but you're right. It would certainly bog things down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 If I had to bet money I'd say RAI is for it to work like the Salamanders trait and it's just worded poorly. However RAW it really seems to be that each model in a unit can re-roll dice separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I agree, if you play the flawless host (or another warband using those rules), the units should have the mark of Slaanesh if possible and no other mark. What I do not like is that when you want to use the rules for Huron or any other legion/warband specific unit your warband has to have correct legion/warband keyword (and probably the appropriate paintjob too) and cannot have another. Counts as is officially dead in this edition. Well it's not like you get extra attacks or toughness. You just get strategem access. And if you are playing to win with fluff taking a backseat/not existing, (and giving up Vets...) You take the best combos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Herald Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 I'm not saying it's necessarily related, but anyone notice about 2 weeks after the first 8e CSM Codex, GW posted they were hiring editors and today, about 2 weeks after the second one they are hiring an editor. I like to believe there's a connection, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I had a few of these pop up in my last few games, and I'm sorry I don't have exact names so I may mess this up. I'm at work right now. There's a chance these can be answered with existing rules I'm unaware of.... - I have a unit of Possessed (S5) within the 6" aura of two Greater possessed. What strength are the Possessed? (Perhaps there is an existing rule I've missed?) - MoP's. Do they count as "Sorcerers" for the purpose of the Black Legion Strategem that allows the player to spend 1 CP to give a Sorc and/or an Apostle an additional Warlord Trait? (They lack the Sorcerer keyword. Is that intentional?) - About the above Strategem. How do you read this? Can I pay 1 CP to give an Apostle and/or a Sorcerer Warlord Traits? Or is it more specific than that? - The Devastation Battery Specialist Detachment has a Strat that allows Havocs or Obliterators to fire in the opponent's first turn, after their movement phase. If the Devastation Battery Units in question have the Mark of Slaanesh, can I use the Cacaphony stratagem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radionausea Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I had a few of these pop up in my last few games, and I'm sorry I don't have exact names so I may mess this up. I'm at work right now. There's a chance these can be answered with existing rules I'm unaware of.... - I have a unit of Possessed (S5) within the 6" aura of two Greater possessed. What strength are the Possessed? (Perhaps there is an existing rule I've missed?) * You don't benefit from the same rule more than once * - MoP's. Do they count as "Sorcerers" for the purpose of the Black Legion Strategem that allows the player to spend 1 CP to give a Sorc and/or an Apostle an additional Warlord Trait? (They lack the Sorcerer keyword. Is that intentional?) *They don't count as sorcerers* - About the above Strategem. How do you read this? Can I pay 1 CP to give an Apostle and/or a Sorcerer Warlord Traits? Or is it more specific than that? * Pay 1CP and get to choose a warlord trait for Sorcerer and/or Dark Apostle (it says generate, one of the ways you generate a WL train is to choose) * - The Devastation Battery Specialist Detachment has a Strat that allows Havocs or Obliterators to fire in the opponent's first turn, after their movement phase. If the Devastation Battery Units in question have the Mark of Slaanesh, can I use the Cacaphony stratagem? No, Endless Cacophony specifies end of the shooting phase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 As for the multiple Greater Possesseds, the rules say if you are within the aura of "any" Greater Possessed, you get the bonus. To me that means you only get it once. If you want to get a second strength boost, the best way would be to take a herald of the god corresponding to whatever mark you have on the Possesseds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Does the relic for the flawless hosts ability to increase a units aura range apply to psychic powers cast by the unit wearing it? If I give my master of possession the flawless cloak does the range of my 6” aura spells increase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Depends on the psychic power. It would apply to Cursed Earth and Infernal Power but that's it. It would also increase the range of Rite of Possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 - I have a unit of Possessed (S5) within the 6" aura of two Greater possessed. What strength are the Possessed? (Perhaps there is an existing rule I've missed?)6. It does not matter how many greater possessed are near. The auras overlap and are not cumulative. - MoP's. Do they count as "Sorcerers" for the purpose of the Black Legion Strategem that allows the player to spend 1 CP to give a Sorc and/or an Apostle an additional Warlord Trait? (They lack the Sorcerer keyword. Is that intentional?)As written the MoP does not benefit. Whether that is intentional is anyone's guess. - About the above Strategem. How do you read this? Can I pay 1 CP to give an Apostle and/or a Sorcerer Warlord Traits? Or is it more specific than that?Yes, if the warlord is a Dark Apostle or Sorcerer. Note, strict reading says that once the warlord character has gotten the additional trrait he no longer counts as warlord for any purpose besides generating traits. I doubt the latter is intentional. - The Devastation Battery Specialist Detachment has a Strat that allows Havocs or Obliterators to fire in the opponent's first turn, after their movement phase. If the Devastation Battery Units in question have the Mark of Slaanesh, can I use the Cacaphony stratagem?No, the Endless Cacophony stratagem can only be used at the end of the shooting phase. Punishing Volley does not initiate a shooting phase but only lets one unit shoot as if it were the shooting phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Herald Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 Does the relic for the flawless hosts ability to increase a units aura range apply to psychic powers cast by the unit wearing it? If I give my master of possession the flawless cloak does the range of my 6” aura spells increase? Other rules that do similar, such as The Voice of Lorgar, specify auras on the datasheet. The flawless cloak makes no specification so I would say by RAW it does apply to auras generated by powers. I hate looking a gift horse in the mouth but I'm not sure that was intentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Herald Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 As for the multiple Greater Possesseds, the rules say if you are within the aura of "any" Greater Possessed, you get the bonus. To me that means you only get it once. If you want to get a second strength boost, the best way would be to take a herald of the god corresponding to whatever mark you have on the Possesseds. Also, the core rules specify that identical modifiers, that's to say same name & effect, do not stack unless specifically said to in their description, ie: Terror Tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaldoth Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Another one: How does I am Alpharius interact with the new warlord traits in vigilus? Can these be taken en lieu of the codex traits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Another one: How does I am Alpharius interact with the new warlord traits in vigilus? Can these be taken en lieu of the codex traits? No, as the description of I Am Alpharius specifies the table to the left (the basic vanilla CSM traits). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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