The Siege of Terra: The Lost and the Damned

[Sandlemad]

Weirdly folks on some of the other forums are furious that so much focus is on the conscripts. "We spent so long getting the primarchs to terra and I have to read about mortals", etc, etc, which is something I don't get. We have six more books of marine on marine action, I want to see Terran hab-dwellers with lasguns, quaking with fear and trying to turn back inevitability. This sounds cool.

 

How are the fighter pilot sections? Are they prominent?

Edited July 17, 2019 by Sandlemad

[RedFurioso]

What about Battlefleet Solar? How goes the war in the heavens? I worry about Phalanx and Red Tear!

[Lex D'Arquebus]

Weirdly folks on some of the other forums are furious that so much focus is on the conscripts. "We spent so long getting the primarchs to terra and I have to read about mortals", etc, etc, which is something I don't get. We have six more books of marine on marine action, I want to see Terran hab-dwellers with lasguns, quaking with fear and trying to turn back inevitability. This sounds cool.

 

How are the fighter pilot sections? Are they prominent?

 

Totally agree. THave those critics read it? There is a large chunk devoted to the Primarchs, not much Space Marine fighting but a lot on their observing the battle in the outerworks. It's mainly the action sequences that invilve the conscripts. There was a short story that hinted at the civilians being conscripted and that piqued my interest. Didn't Russ say something similar in regards to making the remembrances useful!

 

Fighter Pilot section are not massive. I could have done with a bit more. It's more included out of a sense of completenss for the warzone. The bits that focus on it are cool though

 

What about Battlefleet Solar? How goes the war in the heavens? I worry about Phalanx and Red Tear!

 

This was handled very well in my opinion

 

The traitors have Void dominance. Mars blockade is over with numerous "True Mechanicum" ships an Adepts on route to the ground siege

 

There is still a loyalist fleet but they're keeping to the outskirts of the Sol system and not really enaging the traitors (maybe on hiit and run)

 

Perturbo is fortifing the jump gates in system at the start of the book in case the Ultrmarines fleet arriving

 

Can't recall if the Red Tear is mentioned, if it is it's briefly

 

Phalanx is still there as the flagship(flagmoon?) It's also hanging back as Dorn plans to use it in extremis to evac the Emperor from the Solar System, reasoning it's the only ship capable of fighting it's way back through the Traitor lines and back out again.

 

I'd really like sections of a future book to be from the POV from the Loyalist fleet in System and how they're feeling etc as the seige carries on.

 

 

 

 

Smart to put conscripts in the forward positions where the artillery and fortifications can increase their lethality. Use the seasoned troops in the palace and as strategic reserves.

 

Yeah it's very much the opening stages of the siege, as the Loyalist strategy is to hold out as long as possible till relief arrives it makes sense to try to hold onto your best troops. I', sure in the aftermath of the dropsite massacre I'm sure Horus says something along the lines of it'll be  whomever has the greater number of Astartes that'll win.

 

The pacing of the series may not be to everyone's taste but I'm liking it so far

Edited July 18, 2019 by Lex D'Arquebus

[Darkwrath121]

Thanks for the write-ups!

 

I'll be quite disappointed if they forget about the Imperator Somnium/Bucephelus/Oriflamme, as well as the rest of the Custodes/household fleet. Hope they get their time in the sun, with how powerful they are...

[Lex D'Arquebus]

Thanks for the write-ups!

 

I'll be quite disappointed if they forget about the Imperator Somnium/Bucephelus/Oriflamme, as well as the rest of the Custodes/household fleet. Hope they get their time in the sun, with how powerful they are...

Cheers dude, you're welcome. Hope I'm doing it justice and being accurate

 

Yeah they've been pretty overlooked so far haven't they? I can't recall them being mentioned at all in the later HH books or in the Solar War.

Maybe if Lorgar turns up with his big ship they'll make an appearance to counter it?

 

Going by the old lore another notable thing that is missing is any mention of the Imperial Fist's Fortress Monastery on Terra. The Sky Fortress as well, although I suspect that might now be the Skye Orbital Plate?

 

One thing I feel the book does well is up possible cool areas for writing further in the series. The ongoing void situation, the situation on the rest of Terra are mentioned in passing but enought to wet  your appetite to hear more about it.

[Sandlemad]

 

Weirdly folks on some of the other forums are furious that so much focus is on the conscripts. "We spent so long getting the primarchs to terra and I have to read about mortals", etc, etc, which is something I don't get. We have six more books of marine on marine action, I want to see Terran hab-dwellers with lasguns, quaking with fear and trying to turn back inevitability. This sounds cool.

 

How are the fighter pilot sections? Are they prominent?

 

Totally agree. THave those critics read it? There is a large chunk devoted to the Primarchs, not much Space Marine fighting but a lot on their observing the battle in the outerworks. It's mainly the action sequences that invilve the conscripts. There was a short that hinted at the civilians being conscripted and that piqued my interest. Didn't Russ say something similar in regards to making the remembrances useful!

 

They don't seem to have, no. It's weird, I was firmly under the impression that "BL books need less focus on space marines and especially less focus on the same handful of characters from the heresy" was a pretty common opinion, so I was surprised to see so much of this teeth-gnashing at ordinary humans getting a turn.

[DarkChaplain]

Do the Imperial Fists actually have a Fortress Monastery on Terra itself at this point? They've got the Phalanx which does the job, and their home of Inwit is still around, too. The Beast Arises indicates that it was still relevant by the War of the Beast, although the Imperial Fists did leave a contingent behind on Terra over the millennia for tradition's sake, and were pretty much refounded on Terra.

[Lex D'Arquebus]

Do the Imperial Fists actually have a Fortress Monastery on Terra itself at this point? They've got the Phalanx which does the job, and their home of Inwit is still around, too. The Beast Arises indicates that it was still relevant by the War of the Beast, although the Imperial Fists did leave a contingent behind on Terra over the millennia for tradition's sake, and were pretty much refounded on Terra.

 

 

I'm thinking of the old Lore where after breeching the walls Peturabo and the Iron Warriors go and destroy the Fists Monastery, it was possibly in the original White Dwarf article on the seige and I'm pretty sure it's in the altered version of that article that's in the Visions of Heresy art book.

 

They may retcon it as it's not been mentioned yet.

 

Edit I checked and it's from the Index Astartes 2 article on the siege that it states that once the inner walls have been breeched Peturabo and the Iron Warriors consider their job done so go off and attack the Fists Monastery.

Edited July 18, 2019 by Lex D'Arquebus

[RedFurioso]

Any mentions of Sigismund and Loken?

[Lex D'Arquebus]

Any mentions of Sigismund and Loken?

 Nope, nothing.

 

Malcador tells the Loyal Primarchs and Valdor that his Grey agents won't play a part in the seige.

[Blood Angel Scout]

Lex,

 

Thanks for providing the spoilers though in reference to your last one, that was already a given from buried dagger ...think the point about sigismund and loken is more to do with where are they now in comparison to the end of solar war.

[Lex D'Arquebus]

Lex,

 

Thanks for providing the spoilers though in reference to your last one, that was already a given from buried dagger ...think the point about sigismund and loken is more to do with where are they now in comparison to the end of solar war.

 

You're welcome.

 

True, but  my point was more who he was telling the info to, and indeed that he shared that info Malcador being the way he is

 

I thought at the end of the Solar War Sigismund and Loken were on Terra after the final battle of that book? If thats the case I'm assuming they'd be in the Palace somewhere, to my recollection as I said before I'm sure they're not even mentioned in TLaTD. Hardly surprizing given the few Loyal Astartes characters featured in the book .

Edited July 18, 2019 by Lex D'Arquebus

[Blood Angel Scout]

 

 

Lex,

 

Thanks for providing the spoilers though in reference to your last one, that was already a given from buried dagger ...think the point about sigismund and loken is more to do with where are they now in comparison to the end of solar war.

You're welcome.

 

True, but my point was more who he was telling the info to, and indeed that he shared that info Malcador being the way he is

 

I thought at the end of the Solar War Sigismund and Loken were on Terra after the final battle of that book? If thats the case I'm assuming they'd be in the Palace somewhere, to my recollection as I said before I'm sure they're not even mentioned in TLaTD. Hardly surprizing given the few Loyal Astartes characters featured in the book .

Misunderstood your reply about who told who that his agents wouldn't be involved as referring to Loken to as being one of them.

 

Apologies if this has already been asked, are there any scenes showing the Emperor vs Horus, or interacting with the loyalists, like we got from Solar War?

Edited July 18, 2019 by Blood Angel Scout

[Robbienw]

I really liked Raldoron in this one. Great leader, hard nut, contemptuously dispatches world eaters with ease, contemptuously dispatches Skraivok with ease.

I really liked the bit when Skraivok realises the daemon in the sword has abandoned him, and that he has absolutely no chance against Raldoron :lol:

[Lex D'Arquebus]

 

 

Lex,

 

Thanks for providing the spoilers though in reference to your last one, that was already a given from buried dagger ...think the point about sigismund and loken is more to do with where are they now in comparison to the end of solar war.

You're welcome.

 

True, but my point was more who he was telling the info to, and indeed that he shared that info Malcador being the way he is

 

I thought at the end of the Solar War Sigismund and Loken were on Terra after the final battle of that book? If thats the case I'm assuming they'd be in the Palace somewhere, to my recollection as I said before I'm sure they're not even mentioned in TLaTD. Hardly surprizing given the few Loyal Astartes characters featured in the book .

Misunderstood your reply about who told who that his agents wouldn't be involved as referring to Loken to as being one of them.

 

Apologies if this has already been asked, are there any scenes showing the Emperor vs Horus, or interacting with the loyalists, like we got from Solar War?

 

 

My memory is a bit hazy on this as I re-read Solar War just prior ro reading this but  I think there is at least one instance of Horus & the Emperor interacting as they did in Solar War.

 

Don't think either interact with the other Loyalists

 

Layak does interact with the Loyalists as he's competing the ritual that will allow Daemon manifestation on Terra.

He flaots about on a big island made of bone and offers term of surrend to the Loyalist, basically join us or die. In the original lore it was Angron that did this I think, though that might have actuually been inside the Palace walls

[b1soul]

In the old lore...Angron floats around on an a bone island and offers terms of surrender to the loyalists?

[bluntblade]

Perhaps we haven't got to that wall just yet

[Lex D'Arquebus]

In the old lore...Angron floats around on an a bone island and offers terms of surrender to the loyalists?

Not in that way, on a floating bone island, no, but to my recollection it was him that offered terms. He always seemed a strange choice  to deliver the terms of surrender to me as he's a big red rage monster at this point so perhaps not the best public speaker beyond "BLOOD" & "SKULLS" so if it a change it's maybe for the best

[Blood Angel Scout]

That was the moment in the old where Angron offers Sanguinius and the loyalists to surrender then the primarchs have the stare off...think it's described along the lines of a psychic battle, no one knows what is said between them, then Angron turns/walks back to the traitors and tells them to attack

 

Thanks again Lex

[Lex D'Arquebus]

That was the moment in the old where Angron offers Sanguinius and the loyalists to surrender then the primarchs have the stare off...think it's described along the lines of a psychic battle, no one knows what is said between them, then Angron turns/walks back to the traitors and tells them to attack

 

Thanks again Lex

Yeah that's the one i'm thinking of. Thanks

 

Seems to have been left out of the more versions of the siege. Might dig out the original White Dwarf and see if there are any other nods to it. Mind you the BL authors seem to have used the existing accounts of the siege only as a very rough outlline. Events from the later HH books ate already contradicting stuff from the version of the siege on the latest iteration of Visions of Heresy. I suppose they could still happen as previously descibed but it's unlikely. 

 

 

One other thing of note from TLaTD is

 

The Loyalists are aware of Horus' injury from Russ, and his subsequent collaspe on Beta Garmon. The head of the Legio Solara (Esha?) tells Sanguinius about it, it doesn't impact on their strategy at all in book but I've a feeling it may play a part in the rest of the series other why would the author include it?

 

[b1soul]

Are the loyalists aware that

 

Russ the Executioner could have slain Horus the Arch-Traitor with the Dionysian Spear, but couldn't bring himself to do it?

 

This would not sit well with many

[Knockagh]

Weirdly folks on some of the other forums are furious that so much focus is on the conscripts. "We spent so long getting the primarchs to terra and I have to read about mortals", etc, etc, which is something I don't get. We have six more books of marine on marine action, I want to see Terran hab-dwellers with lasguns, quaking with fear and trying to turn back inevitability. This sounds cool.

 

How are the fighter pilot sections? Are they prominent?

Bonkers that anyone would complain about not enough marine action in 30k fiction.

[Indefragable]

Are the loyalists aware that

 

Russ the Executioner could have slain Horus the Arch-Traitor with the Dionysian Spear, but couldn't bring himself to do it?

 

This would not sit well with many

 

Yea. That would be an interesting note.

 

Glad to hear that Raldoron (finally) gets some proper attention in this one.

 

How about Sanguinius? Any good moments? (don't need exact spoilers, per se) I'd be curious if it's yet another book where he's on the cover yet has like 5% of the page count.

Does he finally start feeling like a bad- :cuss :cuss :cuss -er?

[Kelborn]

I don't think (please correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't read everything) that

 

the loyalists are aware of Russ' chance. How should they know? Russ and Corax are on the other side of the frontlines. Was there an exchange between those split forces, I'm not aware of?

As of now, they could think that Russ failed. How else would Horus be there to lead the assault?

 

Edited July 19, 2019 by Kelborn

[RedFurioso]

Guy Haley explains why Dorn was suprised when heard about Vulkan

https://twitter.com/GuyHaley/status/1152165921382907906