Guest Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Let's hope so. GW May get an unpleasant surprise sales wise if after two years of clamouring for chainswords we just get the primaris vanguard chamber we've already seen. We've seen primaris vanguard? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 There's at least two upgrade kits for Primaris coming too and the Codex seems like a good place to release it. Fists, and I'd guess Salamanders. Hopefully more than that though. An upgrade kit for each of the Chapters that has a Chapter Tactic in the Codex would be cool. I said as much in the survey a while back. Its especially neccessary now that there're only UM transfers in the kits Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Let's hope so. GW May get an unpleasant surprise sales wise if after two years of clamouring for chainswords we just get the primaris vanguard chamber we've already seen. We've seen primaris vanguard? Yeah the Scouts type lot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Let's hope so. GW May get an unpleasant surprise sales wise if after two years of clamouring for chainswords we just get the primaris vanguard chamber we've already seen. We've seen primaris vanguard? It means something very different than what you're thinking Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 There's at least two upgrade kits for Primaris coming too and the Codex seems like a good place to release it. Fists, and I'd guess Salamanders. Hopefully more than that though. An upgrade kit for each of the Chapters that has a Chapter Tactic in the Codex would be cool. If another is coming, I assume iron hands because they also have a character coming. But one for each would make sense and explain stuff like intercessor hand flame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 I will spent obnoxious amount of money on BT upgrade kits and intercessors GW! OBNOXIOUS AMOUNTS!!! I WILL RUIN MY WEEDING IF NEED BE! *this is hyperbole except the money part that's true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Haha. If we got chainsword intercessors I think I'd do the same. But probably wouldn't be able to run them as BA to do it amusingly. Unrelated but sergeant jovan is a large guy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxichobbit Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 There's at least two upgrade kits for Primaris coming too and the Codex seems like a good place to release it. Fists, and I'd guess Salamanders. Hopefully more than that though. An upgrade kit for each of the Chapters that has a Chapter Tactic in the Codex would be cool. If another is coming, I assume iron hands because they also have a character coming. But one for each would make sense and explain stuff like intercessor hand flame. That's exactly why I'm certain there's more coming and why I'd guess Salamanders. Seems the most logical place to introduce a hand flamer. Though just doing them all would be better. The only other explanation is that there's another limited edition Primaris Sergeant coming who has one. But in that case having it in the Sgt Jovian rules seems a little odd. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 There's at least two upgrade kits for Primaris coming too and the Codex seems like a good place to release it. Fists, and I'd guess Salamanders. Hopefully more than that though. An upgrade kit for each of the Chapters that has a Chapter Tactic in the Codex would be cool. If another is coming, I assume iron hands because they also have a character coming. But one for each would make sense and explain stuff like intercessor hand flame. That's exactly why I'm certain there's more coming and why I'd guess Salamanders. Seems the most logical place to introduce a hand flamer. Though just doing them all would be better. The only other explanation is that there's another limited edition Primaris Sergeant coming who has one. But in that case having it in the Sgt Jovian rules seems a little odd. Blood Angels would be just as logical to be fair. Considering how sparingly and careful GW is with upgrade sprues these days I wouldn't expect more than the Imperial Fists one and would already consider us lucky if we get the Iron Hands one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Unrelated but sergeant jovan is a large guy! How well does he fit on a 32 mm base? While it might be not be super critical, I'd still like to keep him on one as he's a sergeant. Still waiting on mine Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxichobbit Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Blood Angels would be just as logical to be fair. Considering how sparingly and careful GW is with upgrade sprues these days I wouldn't expect more than the Imperial Fists one and would already consider us lucky if we get the Iron Hands one. I'd debate that as Blood Angels historically had no particular connection with flame weapons until GW used them to re-introduce hand flamers for Marines in 5th ed. I might be out of date on Blood Angels lore, but as far as I'm aware there isn't even any background on why they have them and nobody else does? Unlike their inferno pistols, Wolves helfrost or Dark Angels plasma variants. Melta weapons was always their thing, not flamers so it never sat right with me that Blood Angels got hand flamers while Salamanders didn't, But I guess modern Blood Angels are the melta and flamer guys. Though that's tangental and probably irrelevant. Blood Angels have a Primaris upgrade pack and it doens't have a hand flamer in it, so the hand flamer isn't being added for them. It must be being added for some reason though, so I think at least 2 upgrade packs is likely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Blood Angels would be just as logical to be fair. Considering how sparingly and careful GW is with upgrade sprues these days I wouldn't expect more than the Imperial Fists one and would already consider us lucky if we get the Iron Hands one. I'd debate that as Blood Angels historically had no particular connection with flame weapons until GW used them to re-introduce hand flamers for Marines in 5th ed. I might be out of date on Blood Angels lore, but as far as I'm aware there isn't even any background on why they have them and nobody else does? Unlike their inferno pistols, Wolves helfrost or Dark Angels plasma variants. Melta weapons was always their thing, not flamers so it never sat right with me that Blood Angels got hand flamers while Salamanders didn't, But I guess modern Blood Angels are the melta and flamer guys. Though that's tangental and probably irrelevant. Blood Angels have a Primaris upgrade pack and it doens't have a hand flamer in it, so the hand flamer isn't being added for them. It must be being added for some reason though, so I think at least 2 upgrade packs is likely. Blood Angel's get them in horus heresy too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Blood Angels would be just as logical to be fair. Considering how sparingly and careful GW is with upgrade sprues these days I wouldn't expect more than the Imperial Fists one and would already consider us lucky if we get the Iron Hands one. I'd debate that as Blood Angels historically had no particular connection with flame weapons until GW used them to re-introduce hand flamers for Marines in 5th ed. I might be out of date on Blood Angels lore, but as far as I'm aware there isn't even any background on why they have them and nobody else does? Unlike their inferno pistols, Wolves helfrost or Dark Angels plasma variants. Melta weapons was always their thing, not flamers so it never sat right with me that Blood Angels got hand flamers while Salamanders didn't, But I guess modern Blood Angels are the melta and flamer guys. Though that's tangental and probably irrelevant. Blood Angels have a Primaris upgrade pack and it doens't have a hand flamer in it, so the hand flamer isn't being added for them. It must be being added for some reason though, so I think at least 2 upgrade packs is likely. Fair enough on the upgrade pack, though as I already said a few times before elsewhere, it could just be an event Sergeant model with a hand flamer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxichobbit Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Blood Angel's get them in horus heresy too. They do, but unless I'm mistaken so does everyone else? They're in the generic upgrade packs at least so I assume everyone can take them. I don't play Heresy though so I don't actually know who has access to what wargear beyond the models. Also I wasn't clear, but I was actually meaning historical as in real world, not 40k lore. Everyone had hand flamers in 2nd ed, only Sororitas in 3rd, 4th and a chunk of 5th. Then they got re-introduced to Marines with the 5th ed Blood Angel Codex and have stayed there since (excluding non-Marine Codexs like Soritas and Genestealer Cult of course). Horus Heresy came after that. Given that Salamanders were my main army through a large part of 3rd and all of 4th & 5th, my jimmies were naturally rustled about it. Fair enough on the upgrade pack, though as I already said a few times before elsewhere, it could just be an event Sergeant model with a hand flamer. Yeah, that's my other thought. I hope we're wrong on that. I'd much rather an upgrade pack, no matter the Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Everyone should have access to almost everything. It’s what makes armies so cool in the Heresy and it would really add depth to 40k. Hand flamers fit a Blood Angels as well as a Black Templar as well as a Salamander. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Yeah we weren't debating the access of hand flamers. I mean we kinda were but not really. It was mainly about how the hand flamer rule for the Intercessor Sergeant will be justified. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxichobbit Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Yep. The hand flamer is the key in that it gives possible insight into what we might see in the upcoming release. It does seem to be accessible to every Chapter too through Intercessors. So that's something at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Unrelated but sergeant jovan is a large guy! How well does he fit on a 32 mm base? While it might be not be super critical, I'd still like to keep him on one as he's a sergeant. Still waiting on mine He fits, its tight though https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-GLVM1qSZGprtTHxP-m5QXR30ZQ2W8nj/view?usp=drivesdk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Hes big!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Everyone should have access to almost everything. It’s what makes armies so cool in the Heresy and it would really add depth to 40k. Hand flamers fit a Blood Angels as well as a Black Templar as well as a Salamander. I agree and for the chapters that favor a certain weapon relics and stratagems should be what underscores it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Unrelated but sergeant jovan is a large guy! How well does he fit on a 32 mm base? While it might be not be super critical, I'd still like to keep him on one as he's a sergeant. Still waiting on mine He fits, its tight though https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-GLVM1qSZGprtTHxP-m5QXR30ZQ2W8nj/view?usp=drivesdk can you do a side by side with a regular intercessor or hellblaster? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Unrelated but sergeant jovan is a large guy!How well does he fit on a 32 mm base? While it might be not be super critical, I'd still like to keep him on one as he's a sergeant. Still waiting on mine He fits, its tight though https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-GLVM1qSZGprtTHxP-m5QXR30ZQ2W8nj/view?usp=drivesdk can you do a side by side with a regular intercessor or hellblaster? here you go: His scale isn't different, but he has a very different pose even from the more upright models (body is angled upwards at the hips), although i would say the feet themselves feel a little chunkier. Fyi, I took a picture with the dark imperium guy and a multi part guy as the multi part guys bave more standard squatting poses for the most part (a few are less squatty) but most of the dark imperium marines are more upright. I didn't take a photo but the captain model is a similar height to this sergeant and has a similar pose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Well with Warcry being released I think next week is 40k's turn so we might see some of the new SM stuff and if there is a reveal on the 3rd then it would make sense to split this release in two weeks, one for half of the new kits and then the other for the other half and codex and maybe some new upgrade kits thrown into the mix. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 I'm really looking forward to the Lasfusil Eliminators and the (not-)Dreadnought thingy. The Eliminators could potentially be my main anti-tank together with Suppressors if I don't go the Repulsor route. If the Phobos character is more interesting than the Captain and Lieutenant from the Shadowspear box (pose-wise he definitely is from what we could see) he might join and lead my Sanguinary Guard Reivers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Let's hope so. GW May get an unpleasant surprise sales wise if after two years of clamouring for chainswords we just get the primaris vanguard chamber we've already seen. We've seen primaris vanguard? Yeah the Scouts type lot. Ah geez I was thinking vanguard veteran with jump packs and melee weapons, not the generic vanguard terminalogy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/10/#findComment-5353897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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