War Angel Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Breath of life into the assault squad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Maybe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 It's a little big of an exaggeration for 2 Intercessor Sergeants to give out more attacks than a Terminator squad, but only a little! 8 vs 11 attacks basically, though the gap widens as the Shock Assault ability takes effect. (10 vs 16) However, I strongly think that a 2 Intercessor squads with Thunder Hammer Sergeants will be a main stay in Impulsors. It's amazingly good especially when you start throwing in Relics like the Ultramarines have access to, which increase the numbers of attacks. Did I miss something or since when are Intercessors Sergeants A4 base? Afaik they are still A3. And veteran intercessor sergeants are A4 base, 5 on the charge Ah, Veteran Intercessors! That's what I was missing! ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I mean its one or two mortal wounds in a unit of ten. Or is it per enemy Model with in 1''? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 It's approximately 3 per 10. Makes Assault Marines better but the biggest winners here are Vanguard! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Breath of life into the assault squad Mine may actually see the table!? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero88 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I really like that the Impulsor can only Transport 6 regular Primaris, it makes sure the regular Repulsor retains a role, even with the introduction of the Executioner.. all three tanks have distinct purposes. (Although it probably solidifies that only Standard Hellblasters will ever see the table) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Breath of life into the assault squadMine may actually see the table!? I might give mine heads and put them on bases! Poor bastards, started working on them 12 years ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I've used them a couple of times in 8th and they did decent work against chaff where their mobility and flamers came in handy but that's not exactly setting the World on fire (flamers aside). I've put in my pre-order for the codex and cards, I'm looking forward to trying it out as soon as I can because there's a lot that I find encouraging (also for when something similar comes to CSM). With a point drop and some Stratagems worth a damn (or, just worth anything?) I'll be trying my Assault Marines out again to see what they can do Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (Although it probably solidifies that only Standard Hellblasters will ever see the table) It's possible one of the Devastator Doctrine focused Chapters might find value from them in their supplement. I imagine any chapter with a bonus to Devastator Doctrine or Tactical Doctrine is going to outperform those with an Assault Doctrine ability for right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallas Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 The main issue for Assault Doctrine is the delay in getting to it. Turn 3 is a long time to wait until! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 The main issue for Assault Doctrine is the delay in getting to it. Turn 3 is a long time to wait until! There's always the opportunity for a strat that allows you to push forward one step early, or allow one unit to count as being under Assault Doctrine for a turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Indeed there are ways around it. Even White Scars that will have a heavy assault focus will have units that use heavy weapons in a flexible list. Their Chapter Tactic specifically helps with that. So with Strategums and a bit of flexible list building I think those that use the Assault Doctrine heavily will do fine. Besides, Twin Bolter bikers and their special weapons will still enjoy the Tactical Doctrine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Indeed there are ways around it. Even White Scars that will have a heavy assault focus will have units that use heavy weapons in a flexible list. Their Chapter Tactic specifically helps with that. So with Strategums and a bit of flexible list building I think those that use the Assault Doctrine heavily will do fine. Besides, Twin Bolter bikers and their special weapons will still enjoy the Tactical Doctrine. So will terminators :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 It’s going to be nice to see all the different chapters getting used. Will we be seeing a return of the unit tactics thread here in the B&C? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Unit tactics are always great for a new codex, I'm sure the local mod team can get that ball rolling once we all have our grubby mitts on the book :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Well in the BA forum we've been doing that since beginning of 8th already. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 The main issue for Assault Doctrine is the delay in getting to it. Turn 3 is a long time to wait until! There's always the opportunity for a strat that allows you to push forward one step early, or allow one unit to count as being under Assault Doctrine for a turn. Nothing pushes you through them faster, though there is a strat that lets you step backward through them once a game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 It’s going to be nice to see all the different chapters getting used. Will we be seeing a return of the unit tactics thread here in the B&C? I'd be glad to do that again, though I think I will probably combine multiple entries because there are so many Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 The main issue for Assault Doctrine is the delay in getting to it. Turn 3 is a long time to wait until!There's always the opportunity for a strat that allows you to push forward one step early, or allow one unit to count as being under Assault Doctrine for a turn.Nothing pushes you through them faster, though there is a strat that lets you step backward through them once a game. I'm aware. But there's also a bunch of supplements coming with more strats we haven't seen yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 It’s going to be nice to see all the different chapters getting used. Will we be seeing a return of the unit tactics thread here in the B&C? The moment I get the Codex in my mitts this weekend I'll be creating some topics in the Ultramarines section too, so it is a golden age. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 It’s going to be nice to see all the different chapters getting used. Will we be seeing a return of the unit tactics thread here in the B&C? The moment I get the Codex in my mitts this weekend I'll be creating some topics in the Ultramarines section too, so it is a golden age. Why in the ultramarine section? These are space marines available to all chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5367982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Pretty sure he'll be focusing on UM strats how they and how they interact with combat doctrines and such. And maybe it'll generate some traffic in the UM forum ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5368048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 It’s going to be nice to see all the different chapters getting used. Will we be seeing a return of the unit tactics thread here in the B&C? The moment I get the Codex in my mitts this weekend I'll be creating some topics in the Ultramarines section too, so it is a golden age. Why in the ultramarine section? These are space marines available to all chapters. Because he's an Ultramarine player and things like Scions of Guilliman change things a lot? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5368080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Exactly that. Relics, Warlord Traits, psychic powers, Strategums, Scions of Guilliman... plenty to discuss. And I'm sure I'll be there in this forum talking over stuff as well. Like now. 1 day to go... Ah! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/40/#findComment-5368164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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