General Zodd Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) You would be correct, Zodd, one must be able to draw LoS to the location being hit. Little things like that do get forgotten every now and then and the idea of punching the dog hard enough through the neck to sever its head is funny enough to just laugh it off at the table, but by the rules it shouldn't have happened that way ;) Oh, I agree, I would allow it! But actually, looking at the book this morning, it says you can’t randomly (via the location dice) got a location you can’t draw LOS to. Weirdly, in the rules for targeted shots, I can’t see it says anything to indicate you can’t specifically target a location you can’t see, though. Strange! Edited October 20, 2020 by General Zodd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5620028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 That Warlord can see the head, from above it. He just reaches down and rips it off. Yeah this is correct. We checked LoS on the table and it was clearly visible. Sword Brother Adelard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5620040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrypie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 That Warlord can see the head, from above it. He just reaches down and rips it off. Yeah this is correct. We checked LoS on the table and it was clearly visible. While the people at the table are always the only ones that matter, just a reminder that ruleswise the LoS is drawn from the weapon and not from the model in general. In general this does mean heads aren't visible from behind for arm weapons and if I were to judge only on the basis of that picture, it would not be visible here either due to the backbump being in the way. Though fists don't attack in straight lines like rays and bullets, so there's more wiggle room anyway ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5620064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 It was all a bit more confused due to Rhu's conversion. I'm not sure what I'd have been able to see on a warhound out of the box. Rhu's has a bigger head, but also a chunkier carapace and shoulder armour. And the fist is a bit odd because it's so big - you can see different things from the shoulder compared to the ends of its fingers. However, you could trace a line from all of those places to the warhound's head. My titan isn't directly behind it, so I was looking down over the warhound's left shoulder. LoS is a binary thing so even though I couldn't see much of the head, enough was visible to attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5620074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrypie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Yeah, that's the "fun" of true LoS instead of abstracted hit boxes or size categories in a game full of posable models. Part of the charm, though :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5620137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zodd Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Sorry for de-railing the thread, everyone! Certainly not meaning to impune Mandragola’s fair play! Edited October 20, 2020 by General Zodd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5620293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Wouldnt the head be out of range too though? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5620298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrypie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Wouldnt the head be out of range too though? Ah, but ranges are always measured as shortest distances between the models' bases, we aren't that much into beancounting... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5620302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Sorry for de-railing the thread, everyone! Certainly not meaning to impune Mandragola’s fair play! Getting back on track, TIAT (well, yesterday) I base coated and washed my Vyronii Knights Porphyrion, hoping to get them finished by the end of the weekend. No worries. It can be useful to go over rules like this and we all get things wrong sometimes. We did actually chat about this at the table. One slightly odd issue was we couldn't find a rule saying you need LoS to a location to do a called shot on it. It tells you to reroll location if you do it randomly, but nothing about called shots - or nothing we could find. We assumed this was an error though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5620545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gore Crow Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) Sorry for de-railing the thread, everyone! Certainly not meaning to impune Mandragola’s fair play! Getting back on track, TIAT (well, yesterday) I base coated and washed my Vyronii Knights Porphyrion, hoping to get them finished by the end of the weekend. No worries. It can be useful to go over rules like this and we all get things wrong sometimes. We did actually chat about this at the table. One slightly odd issue was we couldn't find a rule saying you need LoS to a location to do a called shot on it. It tells you to reroll location if you do it randomly, but nothing about called shots - or nothing we could find. We assumed this was an error though. Was that something brought up in an interview or AMA with James Hewitt and needing LoS was something he wanted to include but was dropped sometime along the project? EDIT: Nope I'm thinking of relative scales in CC derp Edited October 21, 2020 by Gore Crow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5620565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrypie Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 The dropped thing was indeed about heights, so that knights wouldn't be jump kicking Warlords in the chin. Pretty easy to add into the game if one so desires, realistically you'd mostly just keep the shoulder guns and heads out of Melee reach if the attacker is suitably smaller in Scale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5620585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zodd Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Sorry for de-railing the thread, everyone! Certainly not meaning to impune Mandragola’s fair play! Getting back on track, TIAT (well, yesterday) I base coated and washed my Vyronii Knights Porphyrion, hoping to get them finished by the end of the weekend. No worries. It can be useful to go over rules like this and we all get things wrong sometimes. We did actually chat about this at the table. One slightly odd issue was we couldn't find a rule saying you need LoS to a location to do a called shot on it. It tells you to reroll location if you do it randomly, but nothing about called shots - or nothing we could find. We assumed this was an error though. Yeah, after looking it up again I came to the same conclusion, very odd omission! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5620784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 I have begun: Need to get a second Warlord to replace the one I :cuss up, but I've gotten a start at least! Mendi Warrior, 1ncarnadine, Noserenda and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Nice start. A couple of those ankle joints worry me a bit though. You should dry fit the front shin plate on your warlord’s right foot and do the same on the reaver’s left foot - the one on the ground. Lots of us have had problems with the ankles. That ball joint has a ton of movement. It’s only later that you sometimes find the armour isn’t nearly as flexible. You might be ok, but the sooner you know, the better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Nice start. A couple of those ankle joints worry me a bit though. You should dry fit the front shin plate on your warlord’s right foot and do the same on the reaver’s left foot - the one on the ground. Lots of us have had problems with the ankles. That ball joint has a ton of movement. It’s only later that you sometimes find the armour isn’t nearly as flexible. You might be ok, but the sooner you know, the better. I just checked the Warlord, it's good. And which Reaver? The running one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipOffProductions Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Nice start. A couple of those ankle joints worry me a bit though. You should dry fit the front shin plate on your warlord’s right foot and do the same on the reaver’s left foot - the one on the ground. Lots of us have had problems with the ankles. That ball joint has a ton of movement. It’s only later that you sometimes find the armour isn’t nearly as flexible. You might be ok, but the sooner you know, the better. I just checked the Warlord, it's good. And which Reaver? The running one? I'd have worries for the inner left of the flatfooted one, that's a pretty extreme angle on that piston going all the way to the top of the track Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Zodd Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 TIAT I finished the transfers and varnish on my House Vyronii Porphyrions! Now, I know that what the gaming world needed was probably not more Acastus Knights, but I thought it was time finished these as they’d been sitting built on my shelf since just after they came out... Now, I think I’ll probably do some palette-cleansing hobbits or something, then back to building my Vyronii household force! Dosjetka, Mandragola, Noserenda and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendi Warrior Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Nice start. A couple of those ankle joints worry me a bit though. You should dry fit the front shin plate on your warlord’s right foot and do the same on the reaver’s left foot - the one on the ground. Lots of us have had problems with the ankles. That ball joint has a ton of movement. It’s only later that you sometimes find the armour isn’t nearly as flexible. You might be ok, but the sooner you know, the better. I just checked the Warlord, it's good. And which Reaver? The running one? I'd have worries for the inner left of the flatfooted one, that's a pretty extreme angle on that piston going all the way to the top of the track Very nice start, I particularly love your dark metal colour, well done! With regards to the Reaver's feet and problems many of us encountered, these are 3 posts I made a while back in my thread to share my experience while building the Reavers and offer some tips and tricks http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350487-mendi-warriors-adeptus-titanicus-project-log/?p=5189546 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350487-mendi-warriors-adeptus-titanicus-project-log/?p=5189551 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350487-mendi-warriors-adeptus-titanicus-project-log/?p=5221057 Eager to see the next steps! Mandragola and General Zodd 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Nice start. A couple of those ankle joints worry me a bit though. You should dry fit the front shin plate on your warlord’s right foot and do the same on the reaver’s left foot - the one on the ground. Lots of us have had problems with the ankles. That ball joint has a ton of movement. It’s only later that you sometimes find the armour isn’t nearly as flexible. You might be ok, but the sooner you know, the better. I just checked the Warlord, it's good. And which Reaver? The running one? I'd have worries for the inner left of the flatfooted one, that's a pretty extreme angle on that piston going all the way to the top of the track Very nice start, I particularly love your dark metal colour, well done! With regards to the Reaver's feet and problems many of us encountered, these are 3 posts I made a while back in my thread to share my experience while building the Reavers and offer some tips and tricks http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350487-mendi-warriors-adeptus-titanicus-project-log/?p=5189546 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350487-mendi-warriors-adeptus-titanicus-project-log/?p=5189551 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350487-mendi-warriors-adeptus-titanicus-project-log/?p=5221057 Eager to see the next steps! That's good advice. I'm glad the Warlord's foot is fine. With the Reaver it probably won't be too bad, but it's still better to know sooner rather than later if there's a problem. I've had to break apart more than one Reaver Ankle to get them to work better. The good thing with Reavers is that you can bend the toes quite easily. So the way to get a walking pose is generally to stick the foot on relatively flat relative to the ankle, but bend the front toe. If you bend the front toe up and the others slightly down, it'll look quite decent. Here's a pic that partially illustrates what I mean. Not actually 100% happy with this pose but the back foot is fine. The armour did fit on. General Zodd and Noserenda 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Also, I fixed the 'ruined' Warlord. It's still a slightly wonky pose, but one that doesn't look utterly ridiculous like it did previously. Mendi Warrior and Noserenda 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 This weeks preview article mentions a knight preview in Engine kill this week, i mean we mostly know which knights but im interested to see what they share! :) 1ncarnadine 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 I've still gotta add heat discolouration to the bellicosas and finish off the base, but my first Titan's pretty much done! Sandlemad, Mandragola, Noserenda and 6 others 9 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) had a crack at the Legio Vulpa meat/ muscle marbling effect for the reaver arm on my warlord's base: Edited October 26, 2020 by Iron Hands Fanatic Sandlemad, General Zodd, Mendi Warrior and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gore Crow Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Ooh that's nice Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Man that's repellant to look at. Well done, it's not an easy effect to do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357462-today-in-titanicus-i/page/53/#findComment-5622976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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