Discussion on the new C:SM & Possible BT supplement

[Sete]

Sisters are just getting a box right? Although I'm sure they will feature on Book 2 as well. That could be bad news for BT model support.

Next character is revealed next week, the Dark Eldar dude, so I expect book 1 by 2nd half of October.

 

November I can see the AoS Necrons maybe, with Sisters into December.

 

Usually GW does make box sets for Christmas, so we might end up seeing our stuff January... 

 

I would be more excited for psy awakening overall it if I knew in what foot are we standing release wise.

Are we getting Vigilus, or psy awakening eldar treatment?

 

I think there was a rumour a while back about Sisters vs Chaos box or am I wrong?

[Marshal Vespasian]

Yeah I think the last three month of the year will be tight.

There is still AoS Skellingtons, Sisters, Salamanders and Fists, Christmas stuff and the new Kill Team starter to be released. Also CA2019. Also AoS ogres I think. And the missing C:SM units.

sure the Box for sisters is the first thing they showed, but I hope for sisters players Sake that the whole 'sisters will Release in 2019' thing doesnt turn into another orktober.

[Marshal Reinhard]

I'm not holding my breath that book 2 will be this year. Maybe. But we haven't even got a set date for book 1.

[Sete]

Forgot starter set and ogres. Uff. Yeah seems like next year is more likely.

Well gonna buy the clone wars October then.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Surely sisters are getting a full codex?

[Spinsanity]

Surely sisters are getting a full codex?

For all we know so far, it might be available only in the box to begin with (although saying that is unlikely would be quite the understatement).

[Banjulhu]

Given that Chapter Approved needs some meat on it's bones to make it look less like GW monetising the FAQ/Errata process the Black Templar as the only chapter with unique rules in the SM codex not with a supplement could end up in the 2019 edition.

[AlmightyWalrus]

What about Grimaldus crossing the Rubicon Primaris but NOT dying in the process, one-upping even Calgar because he's just that damn stubborn? That'd be entirely in line with his previous character, no?

[Sete]

If rumours are to be believed he will not be crossing at the moment, neither Helbrecth.

That leaves us with a possible Primaris EC, and a random Marshal/Castelan.

Now I don't believe for a second we will be getting a new named character, so a Lieutenant will be my best guess.

 

I would take the rumours with salt. I don't believe the rumour dude has acess to model releases, just what can be inferred from books rules. and psy book 2 is still far away.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Again, at minimum rules will be coming. And given that the lowest possible effort would have been to just include the rules in the IF book and then moved on, it stands to reason that the probability that we're getting just a little something above the minimum is actually pretty decent.

 

I don't think that's me getting my hopes unrealistically high up.

[Sete]

In any case we are looking at a 3 month minimum wait.

[Marshal Vespasian]

I would even count 3 Month from psy awakening 1 being released. So propably January. I think they did vigilus in octobre and January as well.

Maybe we can hear about it come Novembre or on the new years open day.

[Sonoftherubric21]

I think a Character is guaranteed at this point, be it "new" or "old." I would also think those "intercessor crusader" equivalents talked about in the rumors make a great deal of sense. 

 

Minimum is Character + Upgrade sprue + Rules in some variety of book somewhere. Anything beyond that is gravy. 

 

I intend on doing a little Black Templar tomfoolery in my eventual Sisters of Battle army so I am hoping they get some much deserved love 

[Link2edition]

I just want to be able to put neophytes in intercessor squads. Or better yet Eliminator squads.

3x Eliminators deployed behind 3x Neophytes with snipers.

"Alright Neophytes, you deploy forward and make sure none of your initiates get shot today."

"But I thought the whole point of camo cloaks was to-"

"DID I STUTTER BULLET SPONGE?"

[Sete]

Reivers could be used as neophytes. Just replace the ridiculous skull helmets. But thats expecting way too much.

I will consider us lucky if we have anything besides rules at the moment.

 

I hate waiting.

[Link2edition]

Reivers could be used as neophytes. Just replace the ridiculous skull helmets. But thats expecting way too much.

I will consider us lucky if we have anything besides rules at the moment.

 

I hate waiting.

Neophytes are the same as they have always been. Primaris marines are made from the guys in scout armor just like everyone else.

 

I don't see why our chapter would trust neophytes with reiver gear.

[Sete]

Its the same as vanguard, and as it stands on the new codex thats where the newbies start. So it is safe to assume that if BT gets primaris crusader squads, neos will use phobos armour.

 

That or scouts will get redone, which i dont see happening as they overlap with vanguard on their role.

[Spinsanity]

Neophytes are the same as they have always been. Primaris marines are made from the guys in scout armor just like everyone else.

Doesn’t the new ‘dex go through the life of a Primaris UM at some point and confirm that he started as a ‘neophite’ sporting Reiver or Infiltrator (can’t remember which, and my ‘dex isn’t anywhere nearby) ? Sounds as though Phobos armour actually is what noobs get nowadays...

[Link2edition]

 

Neophytes are the same as they have always been. Primaris marines are made from the guys in scout armor just like everyone else.

Doesn’t the new ‘dex go through the life of a Primaris UM at some point and confirm that he started as a ‘neophite’ sporting Reiver or Infiltrator (can’t remember which, and my ‘dex isn’t anywhere nearby) ? Sounds as though Phobos armour actually is what noobs get nowadays...

 

I haven't found anything to indicate scouts have been replaced by Primaris. Candidates have to come from somewhere, recruits don't just show up at the chapter keep 9 ft tall ready to be fitted for armor. The process hasn't changed much, only the end result.

 

I know the story you are referring to, my understanding was primaris armor was modular (one suit of power armor can be used for many roles depending on loadout) even the infiltrating variants are still power armor and still need a fully developed black carapace to use, so EVERYONE starts out with scout armor at some point.

 

Pardon me for letting this get off topic.

[Acebaur]

Phobos armor is power armor, so neophytes cannot wear it as they are not full marines. Any marine that is not a scout(in game terms) is a full initiate. Primaris are made from scouts just like normal marines. So I a Primaris crusader squad neophytes are still scout models.

[Red_Shift]

The sisters release is an army box with a limited edition codex. I think it is largely mono-pose and will be released very late November to coincide with the 40k open day and to go on the Xmas list. Full sisters release to follow in waves, sm codex style, from February. Psychic awakening two teased, but without model reveals, at 40k open day with BT models in January. If they lean in to the BT release Dorn could come back as a religious zealot counterpart to guilliman but we will see. GW often tease a character model over the Xmas period so I think that is when we will see our first BT character.

[Smirnov]

Phobos armor is power armor, so neophytes cannot wear it as they are not full marines. Any marine that is not a scout(in game terms) is a full initiate. Primaris are made from scouts just like normal marines. So I a Primaris crusader squad neophytes are still scout models.

Which makes me wonder, does GW plan to resculpt scouts? Those minis are a crime against the hobby

[Marshal Reinhard]

  

On the whole phobos neophyte thing. It's bit unclear to be quite frank.

 

The codex has a 2 page spread going over the rise and fall of a Primaris marine, from an aspirant, to his eventual death as a first company veteran. It states, in order:   

 

  "Joining the 10th Company as a neophyte ultramarine,..."

 

later

 

 

"By this point, the neophytes body has accepted his geneseed, and all of his organs - including those unique to Primaris marines, had fully developed. So did he earn the right to join Reiver squad Agamnus...."

 

later

 

 

"The slaying of so prominent an enemy leader, and the subsequent havoc this brought admist the xenos ranks - was enough to see Gaius Pollandus advance to the status of a full-fledged battle-brother of the 9th Company" (bold text added for emphasis)

 

The last part of three quotes is the first time he's described as having become battle brother. It does state that he fights alongside other battle brothers when joined the Reiver squad, but it's never stated in the text when he himself stopped being a neophyte. It could be an included implication when he "earns the right" to join the REiever squad, and that it's entirely possible that the third quote simply means that Gaius advancement, is the step of going from the 10th to the 9th company. If that's the interpretation we should going with, however, inclusion of the term 'full fledged' seems entirely unnecessary and unneeded.

[Medjugorje]

But how could a Primaris Crusadersquad be?

 

To convert a Primaris Intercessor squad into a Primaris Crusadersquad must be watched from a Lore- financial- and playing-the-game point of view.

 

1. to bring Scouts into a squad of Intercessors which would be correct by the lore but in terms of GW, i dont think they would mix old and new Modelrange and in addition which transport they will use??? So is there any other possibitliy - I would say: Yes, the Reiver could be younger Primaris-Marines and they will get a Master after becoming a Initiate and will run out as Phobos before they get a status as full battle brother - different to normal Firstborn Marines. And very different to other chapters.

 

2. transfer the Intercessors into a melee unit. - Give us a kit with Chainswords and a option for a secound Intercessor to get a Special-Melee-Weapon.  In this kit there could be some variation of weapons that each other Space Marine player could buy them too / must not be a templar kit 

 

3. Make the shooty Crusader differnet to a normal Intercessor squad - let allow you one hellblaster in this squad. 

Lore (ok - BT are different and dont do what other chapters do) - financial (ok - to make such a unit you have to buy different boxes) - game-wise (ok - should be not that powerful to have one guy in a normal intercessorsquad)

[TheOneTrueZon]

I think this is why we're being left in limbo for right now. Black Templars have painted themselves into a corner. Our old units cannot be transposed onto Primaris units unless the whole structure of our special units gets reorganized from the top down.

 

For example, it would be strange for us to have a Primaris Crusader squad without the existence of Primaris Sword Brethren, otherwise the option to upgrade your sergeant to a Sword Brother is null and void. A whole unit of Primaris Crusaders led by a normie in Mark 7 Power Armor? How quaint.