Iron_Within Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 EDITED TO REFLECT NEW INFORMATION! After the reveals we know we're getting the following: A new Sorcerer miniature Rules for Alpha Legion, Emperors Children, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, Word Bearers and World Eaters Black Templars are appearing as well New units and rules (for Chaos Space Marines and Space Marines). They are all described as getting a "codex supplement-tier content" for all these factions. If that is accurate, that would mean that each faction (including BL) will receive: Warlord Traits Psychic Powers Strategems Relics Individual Tactical Objectives A special ability (least certain of this with CSM, but BL definitely will to add to their Doctrines) Special Characters (Unlikely for Chaos Space Marines if I'm honest) Unique units (e.g. Sword Brethren for BL, again very sceptical that Chaos Space Marines would get anything) I remain sceptical that we'd get the boost needed to return to the grudge matches with loyalist space marines necessary. I seriously doubt they're updating the Legion Traits (it would be nice!) as skuttlebutt rumour is they're not, so I wouldn't get our hopes up WB are getting something useful I suspect we'll get further adjustments in Chapter Approved, but mainly points adjustments. I'm, hopeful? But god that's a lot of books to lug around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Dicko Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I’m cautiously optimistic, I don’t really need much in terms of new models, if we get anything like the upgrade packs and rad characters they’ve been doing for loyalists I’ll be pretty stoked! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 At the very least I imagine there will be the sorcerer that has been rumoured for absolutely ages, it would be really cool for a named character for each or at least a couple but I really kind of doubt it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Incompetence Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 You missed the Night Lords icon being shown aswell. I think it'll just be a small-ish update for CSM in general, not necessarily legion-specific. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 So all 4 unaligned legions plus the two aligned legions that doesn't have codexes yet are listed... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 So all 4 unaligned legions plus the two aligned legions that doesn't have codexes yet are listed... Aka all the Legions in C:CSM. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Current rumor is just strats and relics, no new models except the Rumor Engine Sorcerer, no upgraded traits, no doctrine equivalents. If so...that's disappointing. We could use a little leveling if the playing field. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kythnos Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Current rumor is just strats and relics, no new models except the Rumor Engine Sorcerer, no upgraded traits, no doctrine equivalents. If so...that's disappointing. We could use a little leveling if the playing field. I feel the same, currently. Add another story/campaign-arc without any worthwhile conclusion or victor and this could quickly turn out to be a waste of paper. But hopefully there is more to this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Current rumor is just strats and relics, no new models except the Rumor Engine Sorcerer, no upgraded traits, no doctrine equivalents. If so...that's disappointing. We could use a little leveling if the playing field.We already had new models and rules a while ago... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kythnos Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Current rumor is just strats and relics, no new models except the Rumor Engine Sorcerer, no upgraded traits, no doctrine equivalents. If so...that's disappointing. We could use a little leveling if the playing field.We already had new models and rules a while ago...And the rules part of that update was on the disappointing side. Great models though, even if we still have some older units in the range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Current rumor is just strats and relics, no new models except the Rumor Engine Sorcerer, no upgraded traits, no doctrine equivalents. If so...that's disappointing. We could use a little leveling if the playing field.We already had new models and rules a while ago... Which leveled us to the meta of the time. It has changed since then, as Space Marines are vastly more powerful than they were before...and we're behind the power curve again. I don't think it's all doom & gloom and there are counter-plays in kits building and tactics, but player skill can only get you so far when the power creep gap is as wide as it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scourged Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I've encountered the same rumors. Marines are supposedly getting the ability to upgrade librarians, chaplains, and techmarines in the same manner a captain becomes a chapter master. Signs point to Chaos not getting that new option, but it's not "confirmed" we won't. Meh. But I'll be happy with a plastic sorcerer. Doubly so if it's a generic, non-named sculpt. Otherwise... Probably another skippable book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Look, the absolute most we can expect - best case scenario - if the French bloke is correct is that these Legions get something equivalent to the Black Legion in Vigilus II. That would be good, but I really do want updated Legion traits, and possibly a "build a warband" system too. A new Sorcerer will be a nice treat, and anything beyond that would be great. I just hope whatever the Word Bearers get isn't rubbish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 It's a random french guy, no pictures or anything, just rumours. I'll stay away from hoping or expecting anything until GW actually reveal stuff... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 If you'd been following things the last couple of months you'd have noticed that he is consistently on the money, so I'm reasonably confident in his predictions. It's not like he's Ishagu 2.0 predicting Primarchs riding dinosaurs or w/e Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techsoldaten Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 If you'd been following things the last couple of months you'd have noticed that he is consistently on the money, so I'm reasonably confident in his predictions. It's not like he's Ishagu 2.0 predicting Primarchs riding dinosaurs or w/e He's the closest thing to a reliable source we have right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 If you'd been following things the last couple of months you'd have noticed that he is consistently on the money, so I'm reasonably confident in his predictions. It's not like he's Ishagu 2.0 predicting Primarchs riding dinosaurs or w/e Ermagerd, I'd love Primarchs riding on dinosaurs! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Ah, a skinless fenrisian 'wolf' could be mistaken for a dinosaur. Wicked ugly things... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I've seen rumour mongers come and go over the years, some good some bad, many inconsistent as they try to uphold their reputation. "I'll believe it when I see it" is my mantra, and I'll stick to that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 cool The point was that somebody with 100% reliability during their tenure isn't quite "a random" though, are they? A person who pops out of nowhere with a bunch of rumours is "random", this is a guy with a track record we can look at and evaluate. Sooner or later he'll disappear as they always do but for now there is little reason to doubt him. I'm all for pessimism but not a single person on this topic is/was taking anything he said as gospel, so to each their own Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5411987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Well, a broken clock is correct twice a day. ;) He has 100% if you say so I guess...up until now at least... Who are we to say he has the whole picture? Or isn't misunderstanding something, or something else. As you say, to each their own... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5412113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 That criticism would be pertinent if it wasn't for the fact that, as I said above, not a single person was taking anything he said as gospel. As it stands, it wholly misses the point. Anyway, the latest info: Here is the last rumour:"There will be boxes a lot like Druk Vs Craft Volume 1 except for Volume 2 and Volume 3 which are the armies of the next Battleforces""There will be a character for Smc Volume 2 (Sorcerer) and Mephiston Primatise for Volume 3.""A box Ork Vs Wolf which someone has already spoken and which I had a similar information for the volume 4."My news does not go further for PA until the end of January when Volume 4 will be released.Thats all folks. Worth noting that this lines up with other rumours predicting CSM & BA battleforces for Christmas. If true, I do wish they'd spend more time on these campaign books. Sure it's nice not having to wait between installments, but I'd prefer a longer wait with new art & a well-developed story than masses of recycled content. Phoenix Rising didn't even have a single piece of new art beyond the cover of the BOTP. Either way keen as a bean for that Sorcerer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5412236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 To be fair, these days even a longer wait is no guarantee that the story will be any better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5412248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 To be fair, these days even a longer wait is no guarantee that the story will be any better. Yeah you're right of course. I'd still love new art though, which can sometimes be worth the price of admission on its own Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5412250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazSexington Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I'm gonna cautiously presume, based on the pointy ear release (no, not Slaanesh), that we'll get some kind of Warband builder, the Sorcerer (if that's actually what the Rumour Engine "leak" was from) and maybe another model or two with revamped rules, and the odd Stratagem and/or relic or two, with new art on the cover. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359345-psychic-awakening-2-chaos-factions/#findComment-5412269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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