StrangerOrders Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) My store is open but they are hardly understanding about safety measures (they refused to change the delivery from in-store to my home) and I am in the midst of contriving Void Armor to safely go retrieve it. Bright side, I have family that works in a company that shares measures with the company that delivered it and I know that they are taking measures to prevent products from being contaminated, should be fine as long as they didnt screw it up instore (which I trying to be optimistic about). If it were anything other than a rather pricy and rare book, I might just wait for this whole thing to blow over. As it stands though I might as well be interviewing for the Solar Auxilia. Speaking of Solar Auxilia though, anyone else hoping they show up? They do do heavy ground fighting as well and it'd be nice to see something other than conscripts for a change. Edited March 20, 2020 by StrangerOrders bluntblade and Taliesin 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5493792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Haha. Void Armor indeed. Would love to see the Solar Auxilia too. Loved their bits in Horus Heresy Conquest. StrangerOrders 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5493796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I'm actually happy with all the measures GW have taken so far, publicly. Getting staff to work from home and even opening a Twitter account, on top of cancelling events and instead hosting digital reveal streams, and doing so ahead of the big cancellation curve, is a good thing. As much as delivery delays suck, I'd rather deal with that than see GW act like GAME/Gamestop and claim they're essential retail, refusing to close and treat their employees like cattle. Honestly, I wonder if this same proactive stance would've been a thing in the early 2010s under Kirby, when so much mismanagement happened. GW seems to have really turned things around and become a company whose products I'm proud to buy again, compared to how things were for a while. ....then again, I might also be a hypocrite on this subject matter, because I personally have no trouble with delays of Saturnine, considering I didn't even buy the limited edition :') Anyway, I'm surprised that there haven't been any spoilers posted online so far. We know at least some people got their hands on it already, and some stores have them waiting, so it's odd that the cat hasn't been let out of the bag immediately. cheywood, RedFurioso and JustinDHill 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5493810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Angel Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Mine got delivered to my local Warhammer store, so I’ll be able to pick it up tomorrow! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5493849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 @Stranger Orders, have you read the Jaghatai Khan Primarch book? The Solar Auxilia are only in the periphery, but they do acquit themselves well on the ground. StrangerOrders 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5493875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerOrders Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 @Stranger Orders, have you read the Jaghatai Khan Primarch book? The Solar Auxilia are only in the periphery, but they do acquit themselves well on the ground. I'm aware, it is part of why I hope they do get some screentime despite BL and FW being somewhat hostile to each other's writing every now and then. And also because they were just criminally underused before and conscripts have gotten stale as all heck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5493889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Oh, agreed there. There have been a few good showings for Imperial soldiers of the professional stripe, but those have been few and far between and generally playing second fiddle to the Astartes. I really wish we'd seen any of the Solar Auxilia cohorts from the FW books. StrangerOrders 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5493922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerOrders Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Oh, agreed there. There have been a few good showings for Imperial soldiers of the professional stripe, but those have been few and far between and generally playing second fiddle to the Astartes. I really wish we'd seen any of the Solar Auxilia cohorts from the FW books. My issue is not even that they play second fiddle to the Astartes funnily enough, its that they usually come as 'incredibly lax and ill-disciplined conscript' or 'joyless sociopath that is still cannon fodder'. Its a similar problem that 40k has with alot of Stormtroopers tbh (aside from Vaults, Wraight in general seems to have alot more respect for 'elite' humans being competent). I want to see the human veterans who have fought at the forefront alongside the legions for decades fighting every horror of the void without breaking. The closest we get are the Chiliad from Legion and even those come across as a mix of eugenic fools and weirdly easy to crack and subvert commanders (not even going to touch on the horny teen psykers, I still dont know what to say about them). I want to see the multiple-times rejuv'd heavily armored elites that fought alongside the Legions and even took their role at times, we have records of Auxilia Cohorts fighting off things like the damned Khrave. To say nothing of their incredibly badass equipment. Where are those human soldiers? And why did Dorn only seemingly bother to consider training locals at literally the last minute? Where are the Saturnine elite? The Carapace armed line breakers armed with Volkite, suped up armor and power weapons? That's what I hope to see in Saturnine (heck, my initial reaction to the name was to desperately hope it would be about a Cohort of Rams on Terra). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5493975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I mean those soldiers are nearly all dead by this point in the war, every single time the SA go up against anything they suffer horrific casualties even if they win and their specialisms in void combat mean they were probably all deployed in the Solar war. Might be nice to see some if the void war does rev up again though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerOrders Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I mean those soldiers are nearly all dead by this point in the war, every single time the SA go up against anything they suffer horrific casualties even if they win and their specialisms in void combat mean they were probably all deployed in the Solar war. Might be nice to see some if the void war does rev up again though. Well they are actually specialized at far more than Void War, they are explicitly cross-trained in heavy fighting and volatile environs. So they would actually be a more logical idea to have on reserve on Terra than most mortal forces. Also, they were 20% of the Army so if Dorn has none left then he has mismanaged his resources horrendously. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) Oh, agreed there. There have been a few good showings for Imperial soldiers of the professional stripe, but those have been few and far between and generally playing second fiddle to the Astartes. I really wish we'd seen any of the Solar Auxilia cohorts from the FW books. My issue is not even that they play second fiddle to the Astartes funnily enough, its that they usually come as 'incredibly lax and ill-disciplined conscript' or 'joyless sociopath that is still cannon fodder'. Its a similar problem that 40k has with alot of Stormtroopers tbh (aside from Vaults, Wraight in general seems to have alot more respect for 'elite' humans being competent). I want to see the human veterans who have fought at the forefront alongside the legions for decades fighting every horror of the void without breaking. The closest we get are the Chiliad from Legion and even those come across as a mix of eugenic fools and weirdly easy to crack and subvert commanders (not even going to touch on the horny teen psykers, I still dont know what to say about them). I want to see the multiple-times rejuv'd heavily armored elites that fought alongside the Legions and even took their role at times, we have records of Auxilia Cohorts fighting off things like the damned Khrave. To say nothing of their incredibly badass equipment. Where are those human soldiers? And why did Dorn only seemingly bother to consider training locals at literally the last minute? Where are the Saturnine elite? The Carapace armed line breakers armed with Volkite, suped up armor and power weapons? That's what I hope to see in Saturnine (heck, my initial reaction to the name was to desperately hope it would be about a Cohort of Rams on Terra). Exactly. I just meant that the second problem exacerbates the first. Though I did like the Chilead personally. Edited March 21, 2020 by bluntblade StrangerOrders 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucerne Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Worst case scenario, maybe FW will tackle it? StrangerOrders 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Loken, Garro..... Neither a Grey Knight founding grand masters, one by choice. Both off the Sigilites leash. The only thing that could make this more ripe is for Tarvitz to slip into the mix. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I mean those soldiers are nearly all dead by this point in the war, every single time the SA go up against anything they suffer horrific casualties even if they win and their specialisms in void combat mean they were probably all deployed in the Solar war. Might be nice to see some if the void war does rev up again though. Well they are actually specialized at far more than Void War, they are explicitly cross-trained in heavy fighting and volatile environs. So they would actually be a more logical idea to have on reserve on Terra than most mortal forces. Also, they were 20% of the Army so if Dorn has none left then he has mismanaged his resources horrendously. Technically, they were 20 percent of the "void faring first lines armies" rather than the Army as a whole. You also can't really use conscripts for void warfare as well as you can in siege warfare, and in addition Conquest also goes on to specifically state that assigning the Solar Auxilia to Sieges and Attrition warfare was "considered a waste", "left to more specialised formations" and that they lacked heavy siege gear or formations. Not saying that there are none on Terra, especially given their abilities at tank warfare, but they'd be far less than 20 percent of troops on the ground. I might even expect them to be deployed away from the walls, fighting in environments or chem/pathogen/rad saturated regions where the conscripts physically can't fight. Noserenda 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel_of_Blood Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 It's certainly a busy cast list! And don't think I didn't see you there 'Olly Piers'! Noserenda, Xin Ceithan, DarkChaplain and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 am i weird to be excited by the names i don't recognise? DarkChaplain, rookie40K and RedFurioso 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I have a good feeling about this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I believe Aphone to be the funniest possibile name for a Sister of Silence. I like it. Noserenda and DarkChaplain 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Spoilers would be much appreciated from whoever finishes the book first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFurioso Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Spoilers would be much appreciated from whoever finishes the book first. I read it on 4chan (yes) The Emperors name is Neoth The primarch’s mother is a perpetual named Erda She was the one to scatter the primarchs when she realised the emperors plans for them His goal is the forced evolution of mankind, accelerated beyond natural means, the end state being perpetuals Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Thats a long and interesting cast list :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) Spoilers would be much appreciated from whoever finishes the book first. I read it on 4chan (yes) The Emperors name is Neoth The primarch’s mother is a perpetual named Erda She was the one to scatter the primarchs when she realised the emperors plans for them His goal is the forced evolution of mankind, accelerated beyond natural means, the end state being perpetuals That would be.... very interesting A real Apocalypse ‘you are all my children’ vibe Edited March 21, 2020 by Marshal Rohr RedFurioso 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 am i weird to be excited by the names i don't recognise? Nope, same here. While most of the names we don't recognize will be footnotes and included for completion's sake, having them in there feels very good. On the other hand, I'm worried by just how crowded it is. Then again, War and Peace also had countless characters, yet what mattered was still focused on a few central figures, and having a list of the lesser characters was nice anyway. But most of all, we might actually have main characters for various plotlines that have actual squads instead of being presented as lone wolves.... I'm particularly excited to see Endryd Haar in there, though this likely means we won't be seeing any more audio dramas from Josh Reynolds, huh? Also looks like Maximus Thane might not be the only carry-over from The Beast Arises. Bohemond has joined the Imperial Fists. For reference, that was the name of the current High Marshal during the War of the Beast. He certainly wasn't a dread, though. We did have one, though: Magneric, a veteran-dread survivor of the Heresy, and rival of Kalkator of the Iron Warriors. Bohemond might just be a recycled name, of course, considering his historic significance, but it'd be kind of funny if BL was trying to actively retcon details about TBA at this point :') Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 There’s also John French’s narrative point from PoD Imperial Fists frequently take the names of the dead as a legacy/honor 1ncarnadine 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (Looks at Dramatis Personae) Excuse me, I must go and change my undergarments. (Returns) sweet, even some of the captains from Little Horus are back. Astartes Consul and 1ncarnadine 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359800-siege-of-terra-saturnine-by-dan-abnett/page/8/#findComment-5494179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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