DarkChaplain Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 That's what I'm hoping for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Zephon! Su-Kassen! Olly Piers! Okay, the last one maybe less hyped for... Desperately trying to get my copy from my local store this weekend now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Anyone else excited for Endryd Haar? lordhellblade 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Lunkhead Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 =][= ...... and we are spiraling way out of the orbit of this topic. Back on course please =][= Are we, as far as Loken and Garro are concerned? They're both featured as important characters in Saturnine via the bust artworks. So I don't really think some mild speculation as to their roles going forward, with Saturnine and beyond, and how Abnett might tie them back into other plotlines, is too far off the beaten track. At least until we have some actual spoilers for the book. Thankfully those should arrive over the coming days anyway. I wasn't referring to your post, but the general trend of the discussion. DarkChaplain 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I'm a little concerned by the amount of characters listed for this book, which I think goes against the grain of what many people are excited for. The first thing I did was do a little math on number of pages in the novel divided by the number of named characters, and it doesn't give many pages per character to develop them. Especially since there's quite a few names I haven't seen before, or seen very little of, this could mean that some new characters listed here are simply going to be 'sacrificial lambs' for later on in the book (this is my speculation, based on nothing and not having read even the first page yet). And I think this reinforces one of the things that has annoyed me so far in the series, which is the over reliance of certain characters that sees them having to crop up in every book and be present at every part of the siege - mainly the ones we already know survive the siege and carry on into the 41st Millennium. I'm hoping this is going to be a good book, I just hope I'm not struggling to remember who each of the characters is whilst I'm reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drekkan Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Spoilers would be much appreciated from whoever finishes the book first. I read it on 4chan (yes) The Emperors name is Neoth The primarch’s mother is a perpetual named Erda She was the one to scatter the primarchs when she realised the emperors plans for them His goal is the forced evolution of mankind, accelerated beyond natural means, the end state being perpetuals If true, that's so lame. Sound like the GOT ending. Twisting IP for twist sake is the mark of poor creativity and second grade writing. No wonder why most the original creators have left the ship, since the dystopian creativity have vanished. Next The Emprah is gonna say to Horus : with great power, comes great responsibilty.. Or Russ could become amnesic and brawl with Angron for ever and ever, both being able to regenerate. Honestly, comics continuity have alway kept me out of it, and I'm gutted it had invaded the IP to appeal for a wider audience.. Thanks for saving me time and money, it will make Oxfam quiet happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Keep in mind that this is 4chan we're talking about. It may be utter hogwash (and I hope it is, frankly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drekkan Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Hence "if true" for opening. The comic(al) aspect is so omnipresent in some HH book (batman/joker, hulk smash and all that jazz) that it doesn't even sound like a strectch for "thee most creative writer". Anyway, we all know that the last book will end with then the Emprah and Horus are mutually fraging each other in a rushed finishing. Nonetheless, we will know anything about Olianus pline shoesize and the kind of cereals he like. The dramatis characters look like a shopping list already, and tanking the pages of boring description and interaction is out of my reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie40K Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) am i weird to be excited by the names i don't recognise?Yes. Alll jokes aside IMHO these books are like the last few chapters of a long book. I would like to see a large focus on the characters we love, like Loken.Loken, Garro..... Neither a Grey Knight founding grand masters, one by choice. Both off the Sigilites leash. The only thing that could make this more ripe is for Tarvitz to slip into the mix.I really hope Tarvittz shows up . Edited March 21, 2020 by rookie40K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I long list of characters but I think Abnett has the sheer writing chops to pull it off. Don't think he phoned this one in, he seemed genuinely excited about Saturnine RedFurioso 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) “Something just entered the upper atmosphere!” *Tarvitz riding Rylanor smashes through the Vengeful Spirit* Edited March 21, 2020 by Marshal Rohr Noserenda, DarkChaplain and Ingo Pech 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 “Something just entered the upper atmosphere!” *Tarvitz riding Rylanor smashes through the Vengeful Spirit* The Ancient never made it off Istavaan III, sadly. He remains there for 10k years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Would appreciate any juicy spoilers (via spoiler tab of course) :) RedFurioso 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwrath121 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) The book apparently ends, according to a certain Facebook group whose identity is itself a spoiler for this, with: Corswain showing up in the Sol system with the remnants of his chunk of the First legion Pinch of salt, but very interesting if so. Edited March 21, 2020 by Darkwrath121 RedFurioso and Alpharius902 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I'm not expecting most of the characters here to get that much screentime - hopefully the likes of Goshen, Shiban and Von Kalda will just get some nice supporting roles, while Dan's principal characters here will have room to strut their stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knockagh Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Got mine, that’s a big old book right there. I hope they do little bronze resin busts some day. I definitely want sindermam and keeler, prob grab a Garro too if they arnt silly money. Assassins creed did these and they look splendid. Still hate the Magnus art, not my cup of tea. His background is good though. ( not like I could do better in fairness) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 “Something just entered the upper atmosphere!” *Tarvitz riding Rylanor smashes through the Vengeful Spirit* The Ancient never made it off Istavaan III, sadly. He remains there for 10k years. The entire idea of Tarvitz or Rylanor showing up is absurd, hence the joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 “Something just entered the upper atmosphere!” *Tarvitz riding Rylanor smashes through the Vengeful Spirit* The Ancient never made it off Istavaan III, sadly. He remains there for 10k years. Pish-posh, he just needs to get to Terra and back again, then suffer from sarcophagus malfunctioning due to crashing through the Vengeful Spirit and thus suffer from short term memory loss. There, fixed. Marshal Rohr 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preliminary Bombardment Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Mine arrived today, well that's my weekend vastly improved! A welcome distraction at a difficult time. I'm about 70 pages in. It's a chunky book brothers, biggest in the siege so far. You get your money's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 What a long cast. Hopefully those spoilers about Big E aren't true cause they sound... Weird and feel wrong... Alpharius902 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 The moment anyone can take those 4chan rumours out behind the shed and deliver unto them the Emperor's Mercy, please...do. Otherwise, its exactly what I was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerOrders Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Its a 600 page chunker, enormous by 40k standards. The cover and art are jaw-dropping so no surprise. I read the Afterward first as is my habit, no real spoilers in it but it was a rather nice discussion. I especially like how he said that he wanted to go big into how myth-making works. Which is great because I am pretty tired of the occasional 40k book where people know :cuss they have no business knowing. That just isn't how people work and it belittles the hell out of how hard it is for Historians and their neighboring fields to piece together the past in the minds of most people. The most interesting thing is that the book establishes Ollanius Pius as fictional.Or more accurately he is the result of misremembrances of the actions of several people and the distortions of time and perspective. Oll is part of the myth but he isn't the whole deal.Which makes sense, consider how much mixing up we used to have of historical people irl or how often you have people claiming several people were the same man (the SEVEN Kings of Rome anyone?) or how that pagan god got turned by medieval frenchmen into a saint and so on. It is a promising start to the book. RedFurioso and Kelborn 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerOrders Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) Wow... Not even thirty pages in and this already my favorite Dorn in a while. The book starts with Sinderman considering suicide (amusingly rationalizing that conscription[tion would be a bad idea due to his piss-poor accuracy) only to be interrupted by Dorn, who was there and more or less browbeat him out of the attempt. Sinderman asks if he is afraid, Rogal says that he is unsure and describes how he feels (which Sinderman immediately identifies as fear). Dorn agrees that he is afraid but does so in the most Rogal way possible, being vaguely interested and daunted in a stoic way at the possibility for just a moment before making Sinderman swear that Guilliman will never hear that he admitted it. Its still the same stoic Primarch but with a sort of humor, compassion and, well, humanity that I dont recall seeing for a long time. Its a wonderful start and I'm not even done chapter one. I am hyped to hell. For extra dark humor, Sinderman asks if he considered jumping too and Dorn dryly laments that the tower they are on isnt tall enough to work. The chapter wraps up with Dorn asking him to get off the tower and to go create remembrances of the siege (if only for the hope it creates of their being a future to see them in) before asking him to please use the stairs on his way down (as opposed to jumping). Man, I am promising myself that I am only going to post every 50-100 pages so that I dont fill this thread. Edited March 21, 2020 by StrangerOrders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drekkan Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 The moment anyone can take those 4chan rumours out behind the shed and deliver unto them the Emperor's Mercy, please...do. Otherwise, its exactly what I was talking about. The sister of silence character call Aphone is a pretty big hint of how subtle it's going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerOrders Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) Kind of amazing how committed some folks are to thinking it will all be awful before they read it or get it from somewhere reliable (I made that mistake with Valdor and learned to not repeat it from that experience already). Anyway, its a fabulous read so far but I will hold off on my opinion on the whole until I finish. I will say that I would have bought the prologue as a short story so far. Its nice to see Dorn get some dignity and humanity. Edited March 21, 2020 by StrangerOrders bluntblade and Sandlemad 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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