Chaos Marines wielding Grey Knights equipment?

[Zephaniah Adriyen]

The Grey Knights themselves are incorruptible... but does the same apply to their equipment? I get that it's sanctified to the Warp and back, but can it be corrupted and reworked for use by CSM, or is it as incorruptible as they are? I run Word Bearers - I figure they'd have the best chance of doing something like this.

[MadEdric]

The Grey Knights themselves are incorruptible... but does the same apply to their equipment? I get that it's sanctified to the Warp and back, but can it be corrupted and reworked for use by CSM, or is it as incorruptible as they are? I run Word Bearers - I figure they'd have the best chance of doing something like this.

Considering that the Imperials have consecrated daemonic weapons (Logan's axe Morkai). I'd say it could be done.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

If you can purify something evil, you can corrupt something pure.

[MasterDeath]

"incorruptible", yeah, they believe that really hard. Slaanesh got that Silver Knight to kneel, remember? Yes, I think Chaos could corrupt GK equipment.

[Marshal Loss]

To add to what others have said, we've also seen Custodes weapons be used by traitors (Argel Tal in Betrayer), so I'd say you could definitely justify a corrupted GK weapon in the hands of a CSM. If anybody is going to do it, it'd be the Word Bearers :P

Edited December 30, 2019 by Marshal Loss

[MegaVolt87]

Unless the bearer is psychic, GK melee weapons would be largely useless. They would be better off with their OG mars forged or demonic melee weapons if they have them- or easier to "win" them from a fellow CSM. 

[Zephaniah Adriyen]

Unless the bearer is psychic, GK melee weapons would be largely useless. They would be better off with their OG mars forged or demonic melee weapons if they have them- or easier to "win" them from a fellow CSM. 

Was thinking the melee weapons would go to warband psykers and handing out the storm bolters to Chosen alongside two-handed regular power weapons and chain weapons (Nostraman chainglaives and two-handed power axes and thunder hammers come to mind).

[SyNidus]

I'm sure they could get their hands on a nemesis weapon, but being able to wield it is unlikely because they are imprinted with the brother's psychic signature or something so that only that brother could use the weapon to full effect. I think it was in The Emperor's Gift novel.

[MegaVolt87]

I'm sure they could get their hands on a nemesis weapon, but being able to wield it is unlikely because they are imprinted with the brother's psychic signature or something so that only that brother could use the weapon to full effect. I think it was in The Emperor's Gift novel.

 

I think that's been in the codexes as well. At that point, you would need to bind a demon into it I guess so the weapon only tries to stab you 50% of the time instead of all the time. 

[Zephaniah Adriyen]

 

I'm sure they could get their hands on a nemesis weapon, but being able to wield it is unlikely because they are imprinted with the brother's psychic signature or something so that only that brother could use the weapon to full effect. I think it was in The Emperor's Gift novel.

 

I think that's been in the codexes as well. At that point, you would need to bind a demon into it I guess so the weapon only tries to stab you 50% of the time instead of all the time. 

 

Or just cannibalize the weapons for parts. A force channeller here, a haft there, a blade here. The storm bolters are still just storm bolters, and those are the important part for a Chaos army, I think - sure, daemonslaying melee weapons are neat, but double-barrelled wrist-mounted bolt casters are ideal for a lot of Chaos roles - like Juggernaut cavalry using stolen Nostraman chainglaives who need a good combi-bolter stand-in.

[Lord_Caerolion]

A Nemesis Force Weapon is still a perfectly crafted weapon made with the absolute best materials. So what if they can't take advantage of the psychic element, what Chaos Marine is going to turn down replacing their ancient, near-broken chainsword for a nemesis force sword?

[Paturabo]

A Nemesis Force Weapon is still a perfectly crafted weapon made with the absolute best materials. So what if they can't take advantage of the psychic element, what Chaos Marine is going to turn down replacing their ancient, near-broken chainsword for a nemesis force sword?

That depends, is the blade actually sharp? Or is it just a blade shaped slab of metal that's useless without psychic energy being focused though it?

[Guzzlrr]

The Grey Knights themselves are incorruptible... but does the same apply to their equipment? I get that it's sanctified to the Warp and back, but can it be corrupted and reworked for use by CSM, or is it as incorruptible as they are? I run Word Bearers - I figure they'd have the best chance of doing something like this.

i converted Voldus into a word bearer so id say so

[Marshal Loss]

I'm sure they could get their hands on a nemesis weapon, but being able to wield it is unlikely because they are imprinted with the brother's psychic signature or something so that only that brother could use the weapon to full effect. I think it was in The Emperor's Gift novel.

 

If it was possible to undo the gene-lock on a Custodian's weapons I'm sure something could be done for the psychic signature thingy on a GK's weapons

[Lord_Caerolion]

 

A Nemesis Force Weapon is still a perfectly crafted weapon made with the absolute best materials. So what if they can't take advantage of the psychic element, what Chaos Marine is going to turn down replacing their ancient, near-broken chainsword for a nemesis force sword?

That depends, is the blade actually sharp? Or is it just a blade shaped slab of metal that's useless without psychic energy being focused though it?

 

 

You know Chaos Marines have the technological capability to sharpen blades, right?

[Paturabo]

 

 

 

A Nemesis Force Weapon is still a perfectly crafted weapon made with the absolute best materials. So what if they can't take advantage of the psychic element, what Chaos Marine is going to turn down replacing their ancient, near-broken chainsword for a nemesis force sword?

That depends, is the blade actually sharp? Or is it just a blade shaped slab of metal that's useless without psychic energy being focused though it?

You know Chaos Marines have the technological capability to sharpen blades, right?

Let me rephrase:

 

Could just about anything be a deadly weapon in the hands of a Space Marine? Of course!

 

Would a force sword picked off a dead Grey Knight be an effective weapon? Not without some modification/corruption. Otherwise it's an oversized combat knife. Yes that can be a step up from your bare hands but it's probably a step down from a chainsword.

 

That being said from a modeling standpoint go wild. Salvaging/corrupting Imperial equipment is going to be common for many war bands, big or small.

[Irate Khornate]

Because they are power weapons with an attuned psy-matrix attached, I'd say you could remove the matrix and corrupt from there.

[Zephaniah Adriyen]

Because they are power weapons with an attuned psy-matrix attached, I'd say you could remove the matrix and corrupt from there.

I believe they're force weapons, actually, meaning they basically are just regular unpowered melee weapons without a psyker.

 

That said, I find it amusing everyone jumped on the melee weapons - I was more asking about the storm bolters, honestly.

[MegaVolt87]

 

 

A Nemesis Force Weapon is still a perfectly crafted weapon made with the absolute best materials. So what if they can't take advantage of the psychic element, what Chaos Marine is going to turn down replacing their ancient, near-broken chainsword for a nemesis force sword?

 

That depends, is the blade actually sharp? Or is it just a blade shaped slab of metal that's useless without psychic energy being focused though it?

 

You know Chaos Marines have the technological capability to sharpen blades, right?

This and a faster less time consuming upgrade would be to bind a demon to the chainsword for an upgrade.

[Irate Khornate]

 

 

Because they are power weapons with an attuned psy-matrix attached, I'd say you could remove the matrix and corrupt from there.

I believe they're force weapons, actually, meaning they basically are just regular unpowered melee weapons without a psyker.

 

That said, I find it amusing everyone jumped on the melee weapons - I was more asking about the storm bolters, honestly.

They're both force and power weapons. As for the bolters, definitely. Just deface and toss it into a vat of warp ichor for a while and it should be good to use. As for the melee weapons, we are currently one of if not the best army for melee. Natural gravitation to our strong area, plus GK melee weapons always have looked top notch.

[Paturabo]

 

 

Because they are power weapons with an attuned psy-matrix attached, I'd say you could remove the matrix and corrupt from there.

I believe they're force weapons, actually, meaning they basically are just regular unpowered melee weapons without a psyker.

 

That said, I find it amusing everyone jumped on the melee weapons - I was more asking about the storm bolters, honestly.

I'm sure that swapping out a vambrace for one with an attached storm bolter would be easy enough. Of course any saintifications would have to be broken and Imperial symbols defaced for good measure, but storm bolters aren't that different from combi bolters (at least in this edition).

[Lord_Caerolion]

 

 

 

A Nemesis Force Weapon is still a perfectly crafted weapon made with the absolute best materials. So what if they can't take advantage of the psychic element, what Chaos Marine is going to turn down replacing their ancient, near-broken chainsword for a nemesis force sword?

That depends, is the blade actually sharp? Or is it just a blade shaped slab of metal that's useless without psychic energy being focused though it?

You know Chaos Marines have the technological capability to sharpen blades, right?

Let me rephrase:

 

Could just about anything be a deadly weapon in the hands of a Space Marine? Of course!

 

Would a force sword picked off a dead Grey Knight be an effective weapon? Not without some modification/corruption. Otherwise it's an oversized combat knife. Yes that can be a step up from your bare hands but it's probably a step down from a chainsword.

 

That being said from a modeling standpoint go wild. Salvaging/corrupting Imperial equipment is going to be common for many war bands, big or small.

 

 

It's still a weapon made to the absolute highest of specifications, with the absolute best materials available in the entire Imperium, by some of their absolute best craftsmen in the entire Imperium. Whatever chainsword they have is probably mass-produced and ancient. Also, per the 8th ed book, they do have power field generators.

 

Also, binding daemons to things isn't exactly a quick process, or entirely safe. 

[MegaVolt87]

If a GK is binding part of their soul to a weapon, its gonna be hostile to someone corrupted- like a demon weapon. Throne mechaicum is hostile to the weak/ evil for Imperial Knights, souls of past pilots too. Same thing. Someone warp touched, god marked, chosen etc wold be safer with binding demons to wargear, than risking fighting a pure soul in a GK weapon to subvert it. GK weapon is basically an Imperial demon weapon that is hostile to chaos instead. 

[Zephaniah Adriyen]

If a GK is binding part of their soul to a weapon, its gonna be hostile to someone corrupted- like a demon weapon. Throne mechaicum is hostile to the weak/ evil for Imperial Knights, souls of past pilots too. Same thing. Someone warp touched, god marked, chosen etc wold be safer with binding demons to wargear, than risking fighting a pure soul in a GK weapon to subvert it. GK weapon is basically an Imperial demon weapon that is hostile to chaos instead. 

Ooh, this lines up with my "give the Grey Knights weapons to Chosen" idea. They could be like a whole squad of that Castellan Crowe guy, fighting their weapons at every step and being more feared/respected for it.

[Lord_Caerolion]

If a GK is binding part of their soul to a weapon, its gonna be hostile to someone corrupted- like a demon weapon. Throne mechaicum is hostile to the weak/ evil for Imperial Knights, souls of past pilots too. Same thing. Someone warp touched, god marked, chosen etc wold be safer with binding demons to wargear, than risking fighting a pure soul in a GK weapon to subvert it. GK weapon is basically an Imperial demon weapon that is hostile to chaos instead. 

 

As opposed to Chaos daemon weapons, that are famously friendly to their wielders.

I'd assume it's far easier to corrupt something like this, and far less risky, than to bind an entirely new daemon into a different weapon.