jaxom Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) I started the prep work for Loyalty and Treachery today. I have a number of sprues and unfinished models that are Heresy related, but then 8th edition came out, etc. However, it's time to jump back into those darkest days of the Imperium. http://www.fortressoftheunforgiven.com/L_T_Legion_01.jpg "Loyalty is it's own reward." - Lion El'Jonson, primarch of the first legiones astartes, the Dark Angels Contemptor-Dreadnought I came to feel these sons of Caliban are true brothers within the legion. We have fought together, we have bled together, welcomed extant humanity into the Imperium together, and destroyed worlds together. Yet, we cannot hate together. We are betrayed, together, and have sworn the same oaths of vengeance and punishment against the traitors. Yet, they are not the brothers with whom I built the foundation for the Emperor's realm. So few of us remain. I had started this a while back. Since then the twin-linked heavy bolter is really not an option for 40k. I decided to redo the magnetization on the weapon arm and take a page from, well, everyone and re-position the torso. Use the drill hole as a guide for marking the other side of the ball joint. A lot of patience and careful slicing with an X-acto knife got a clean separation. Veterans In my guide to the GC&HH era Dark Angels I talked about how important heraldry was to the visual their identity compared to the other black-clad legions who, shall we say, established early market share. The real kicker though is the robes. Two images, in particular, are what I think about when I visualize the First Legion: the cover of Fallen Angels and that one picture of Merir Astelan and a few others looking like knightly versions of Batman. So of course I want all my infantry to have some form of robe. One massive trawl through every Games Workshop space-marine-with-cloth-on-them-image I could find and I had a visual sketch guide. Edited April 11, 2020 by jaxom Captain Semper, Dark Rage, Gederas and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 A very promising project! :tu: Excellent use of green stuff and the weapon on that dread looks like it means business! I’ll definitely will be following this! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5459950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 Green stuff! Magnets! Contemptor-Dreadnought I set the magnets in GS and gave them a long while to dry. The annoying thing is that the magnets are not quite strong enough to deal with some of the stranger center of balances (hollow plastic, thicker areas on one side, etc). The converted heavy bolter arm may end up consigned to "good idea, not the best execution." Ditto for the leg/torso pair. I reset them to be more flush, but we'll see if that helps or if I just need to accept it'll require gluing (and I won't be able to spin it around 360 degrees like in Dawn of War). Most important tip I can give people looking to work with GS. Have a press-mold with common things (like purity seals) or project specific for any excess GS you made up. Mine resulted in some nice Legion additions to the otherwise very plain plastic chassis. Veterans Primaris and all the wonderful truescaling on this board have ruined me. I can't use the stock Mk4 plastics. They're too squat. I don't have the patience to full GS truescale marines, but I will be tall-scaling them. I had a pair of legs I was experimenting with and used that for the test model. The breastplate overhanging the belt means I can't go straight to one of the robe designs were it's tucked into the belt (though thinking about it now, I could GS a belt over it...). So I decided to try out the poncho/cape style first. I did the front portion to make sure the arms and bolter would still fit over the torso. I then put down the "backbone" of the cape to build off of. I'm waiting for it to fully cure before doing the next layers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5460404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Excellent stuff! The poncho-style cape looks very challenging to do but so far you’re pulling it off. :tu: I’m sorry to hear about the magnets and the difficulties with the weapons’ weight distribution... The heavy Bolter looks so good, I’d glue it on and the hell with everything! :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5460472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 Contemptor-Dreadnought When we left Caliban and took to the stars our brothers brought their weapons with us. The corvus with its hammer and pick. The aper with its axe and spear. And their swords, reluctantly, as they had been promised a quest of unification. We Terran brothers Are proud of their swords - both gifts from the personal forges of the Emperor and legacies of the Throneworld's industry. The Calibanites were askance. The sword is a poor weapon for the hunt they said. On Caliban it is reserved for men; those who are oath breakers, traitors, and betrayers of their feudal lords. Each sword-compliance was considered necessary, but not celebrated. Yet now it seems we have entered the time of the sword; brothers of the Lion, sons of Caliban and sons of Terra both, united against treachery. I gave away my sword when I was interred in the ironform. Instead, I pledge my word - my existence is now that of the sword. I decided to try one last thing - a pin on either side of the magnet to help. I am very happy to say it worked. I don't have any pictures of it in, but after giving the glue time to fully dry I'm going to assemble the torso. That will let me test out the reset waist magnets as well. Veterans Woo, this was a test of mettle. I added a black line to help differentiate between the poncho and the GS in the leg. I think I can do the underlying GS in a batch (but mixing the GS per model). The overwork is going to be one-at-a-time though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5461140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 Contemptor-Dreadnought All glued (other than arm, that's blutac) and ready for priming. Magnets are working out, a bit wobbly, but not unworkable. I then I have this shot: It was bugging me how familiar it looked and then I realized why. "You're coming with me: dead or alive." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5462452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 I've been working on extending legs so nothing too interesting. However, I had a moment of, "huh, would that work?" based off some bits I had out. Very rough draft of Praetor/Consul: CaptainFrederickson and Galloway 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5463308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 Contemptor Dreadnought Similar to robes, I always thought the black-over-metal look in the Dark Angel artwork helped them stand out from the two and a portion legions that are also black armoured. I put down a metal base layer and then worked through five black washes. The starting point: The end point: I plan on finishing the the black areas (highlights, etc) and then going back to do more work on the veterans. Grotsmasha 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5465716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolgrim DeathHowl Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Nice sculpting so far!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5465983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 Thank you! Contemptor Dreadnought And here we have the paneling done: BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5466090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 Veteran Tactical Squad I've just been working on the utilitarian GSing of legs and torsos. I decided to add a little more height by adding a 1 mm spacer between torso and legs. Just glue the bit of plasticard in place and then re-create the socket with some GS. I left space at the edges so I can stuff the top of robes in there if needed. Okay, GS learning curve continues. I've finally developed the patience where I can tell myself, "That part looks good. Let it cure before trying to fix the bit over there." Here's what I mean: These two both have parts of the GS filling that looks okay, but there's gaps and the like elsewhere. I let them cure and then went back in: I also couldn't decide on a special weapon so I went with all of them. A 1 mm width magnet fits with some careful drilling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5468027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 Here's what I'm currently thinking about using as the basis for the praetor. I'll definitely be extending the legs and converting the shield to have more Dark Angel icons. What I can't decide is if I should make the sword hilt either fancier or more Dark Angel-y too. Dark Rage 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5468163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 And I lost everything I had typed when my browser glitched I did the first round of green stuff on the Veterans for their cloth. This guy needs a belt and then I'll add things like pouches and grenades. The next one I'm tentatively thinking of as the Ragged Knight. He's going to get a cowl, maybe a hood, in the next round of green stuffing. His buddy doesn't have a cognomen yet. This guy is going to get a cape like the FW Dark Angel Praetor. The sergeant didn't get any GS luvin' because I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do as I magnetized the arm. I hate the Mastery of the Blade rule from HH6: Retribution for a variety of reasons; so I want the ability to give him a harder hitting weapon if it gets changed or if I end up using this squad in 40k. I settled on going for that over/under cape style where one side is anchored under a pauldron and the other is anchored over the other pauldron with an escutcheon. The GS cape can go over the pauldron, anchoring it, and then I can slip the arm in and out from that pauldron. And here's some shots I took with blu-tac to put up in the L&T thread: It is absolutely silly what the extra 3 mm total (two in the upper thighs and one under the torso) does to the proportions. Seriously, I don't know if I'll ever be able to just build (non-Primaris) Marines again. Dark Rage 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5469234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 Veteran Tactical Squad Minor addition to the fully robed marine. I starting to get the impression he's the most conservative of the bunch. The Ragged Knight got the front of his cowl. Does it look to much like a jester's cowl? And Tabard got the front of his cape. Dark Rage 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5470795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 I finished the modeling work on the Veteran Squad members, but not the Sergeant. I put them up in the L&T thread. Some personal observations from the process: Consider the width of your saw when choosing spacer size. The cuts remove material roughly equal to the width. An x-acto or modeling blade is not a good choice for chopping through legs unless you have a very steady hand and can maintain an even pressure the entire time. It was easier to use a spacer smaller than the leg and fill in the area than it was to clip down excess. Stop when you're happy with how something looks and give it time to cure so you don't accidentally wreck it while working on another part of the mini. It's simpler to add more than to have to remove excess. Have something to watch or listen to while waiting for capes to cure enough that you can put the miniature down or have a set up for orienting the miniature so the cape is oriented perpendicular to the ground (so gravity helps keep it in place rather than mess it up). It took about 3 pairs of legs before getting the rhythm down for the GS. They don't hold up to true scale marines, but they also didn't require as much work or extra parts. The extra height did enough to give me a result I'm pleased enough with. Galloway, Qkhitai and Dark Rage 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5471456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 The Veteran Sergeant's cape is underway! I did the initial work, next up is taking it over the left shoulder and adding an escutcheon. In this particular case, I was able to use an unusual approach in getting the cape where I wanted it. Ended up as I wanted: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5473948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 I don't have a serious name for him yet, but the one whose working name is Jefe El'Jefe has his GS done. I used some GS to settle the head in the socket and 1 mm thick styrene to make the escutcheon. Doghouse 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5475720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Looks good, especially the cape - very dynamic. I feel the escutcheon should be bigger and/or lower, though as (at least from this angle) it doesn't really protect the shoulder joint and armpit, which as a piece of armour is its purpose. Right now IMHO it looks more like a clasp for the cloak than a functional piece of his armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5475749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) Edit 2: I meant an escutcheon in the classical sense - a place to display heraldry - rather than the conflation it gained from rennzeug (the joust of peace) with targets they wore. I took a look at it with one from a terminator, but I thought it looked a bit too big. Edited February 12, 2020 by jaxom Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5475783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) Praetor Been taking the past few nights slow - intense week at work. However, I've made some progress on the Praetor. I will never own a replica of (Edward,) the Black Prince's sword, but when I saw the Empire Knight sword arm in my bitz I had a moment of catharsis knowing at least this knight would go into battle with a type XV sword (I don't want to take my chances on actually going for a type XVa by converting the grip). I also found an Empire Knight head and now am torn between it and the head I was originally considering. I would greatly appreciate any opinions on the two options. EDIT: Originally had the wrong image sizes. Edited February 14, 2020 by jaxom Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5477215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom Hero Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I like the first one. Cleaner and regal in appearance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5477286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 Thank you for the feedback! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5477429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5478607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I’m not a fan of beards. Use the first one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5478613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 Praetor The Weeping Lion WIP - I've got the body all done, now it's a case of figuring out his cape/cloak. Once that's done I'll add the gubbinz around the waist (grenades, pouches, etc) to thicken it out. Here's the mock up with shield, pauldrons, head, and reactor blu-tac'ed on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361173-lt20-ultimate-update/#findComment-5479101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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