When our PA arrives

[WickedJester1013]

As I read it, the strat putrid demise only works on one cavalry model as it reads “...when a plaguebearer cavalry model From your army is destroyed.”

[Plague _Lord]

Yeah so you have to try and suicide them against something killy - like a knight ;)

 

When do you think oir PA will arrive? I'm heading to a tournament on the 20.06 and wonder if it might be out ny then...

[Wolf Lord Loki]

Just thinking about 9th Edition and us.

 

I've notice on this debate we have said many times we are over costed.

 

With the proposed points values increased across the board do you think if there were only relatively minor changes for death guard we might be more competitive with what we have?

[McElMcNinja]

If we get a major point increase I hope it comes with a second wound for PM's, although we know that won't happen.

If the PBC can shoot it's flamers while in combat and the mortar can shoot max shots at hordes, that will be a nice boost.

If the table size shrinks and we are still deploying the same distance apart, that would mean deployment zones won't be as deep. So that could be both an advantage or a disadvantage, depending on wether you play against a castle type army or an assault one.

If we can reserve Morty, that would be huge.

And as far as points go, I am runnng a brigade now (for the CP), so being able to trim some of the fat will be nice.

 

Yes, that's a lot of ifs, but I think between that and a good PA we should be in a better place.

[Special Officer Doofy]

PBC's would be awesome if the legion trait went army wide with the new 9th rules. Just cruise them into the enemy side with flamers while hitting on 4+ for mortar. It's only fair that with new codex it goes legion wide.

 

2 wounds on PM's would be nice, but I doubt it will happen even though it needs to happen. That and access to dark hereticus spells haha.

 

I would like a strat to give a codex helbrute +1T and DR. I don't mind using CP to upgrade something. It would be cool if PA gave us something like that. They gave greater daemons it in PA and I think it's awesome world eater's got that red butcher strat. I mean I hope they get their own codex soon and it becomes a unit, but for now it's better then nothing.

[brother_b]

Table size won’t shrink: the new sizes are suggested minimums. I doubt we’ll see a move away from 6 x 4.

 

I know they’ll be increasing points but I have a feeling the 3000 point battles will be what 2000 points are for 8th.

 

I love DG bought an army for my son I’d love to see 2 wounds on DG marines that would be amazing. He runs them now with varying degrees of success. Sometimes they soak a ton of firepower and hit hard In melee, sometimes they are just too slow and their shooting is underwhelming.

Edited June 6, 2020 by brother_b

[DemetriiTZ]

Many events have already adopted the smaller table size.

[Lord_Caerolion]

I'm hoping we get some boosts to the Death Guard equivalents of "standard" units, as I've got a newly-converted Terminator Sorceror that I don't really want to have just count-as Typhus to have him be any good.

[happyslugger]

Well we have to see.

 

I've just posted in the necrons thread in general news as the expected rules for the silent king have been posted. Makes Mortarian look even more of a paperweight in his current form (rules wise). Better rules and abilities and much cheaper than our Primark!

 

Hopefully GW will throw us a bone...if not I guess my DG will sit on their shelf for a prolonged period of 9th.

[Special Officer Doofy]

I just popped over and checked the stats you posted for the points on the silent king. If it's true, then morty could use a good point drop. I'm not opposed to him being close to 500pts, but he needs to be T8 (not arguing overall strength, but Mortarion should be 'tougher' than Magnus... Just sayin') and 2+. If they give DG access to Dark Herecticus for warptime, that would make him even more attractive at 470pts.

[happyslugger]

I think he is well over priced currently. Edited June 9, 2020 by happyslugger

[Special Officer Doofy]

I think he is well over priced currently.

O for sure

[Plague _Lord]

I'm hoping for a dg preview today but in the meantime look at the rumour engine on warcom.

 

I think a new deathguard lord/ LoC kit is coming so i expect our charachters and dreads to get DR with PA!!

[TrawlingCleaner]

Confirmed in the stream today:

 

Rules for all 7 Nurgle Plague Companies. Warlord Trait, Relic, Stratagem. Roughly 30ish new stratagems.

 

Example; "Mutant Strain" stratagem for Pox Walkers. Mortal Wounds on 6s, however it damages the Pox Walkers too.

 

Plague Zombies are back as a distinct thing - also have a stratagem.

 

21 strats for everyone, then assuming it'll be 1 or more strats for each plague company. No word on what the companies do bar Typhus' one or how they interact with detachments etc

[Special Officer Doofy]

So now all vehicles get move and shoot heavies no -1 to hit in 9th. Blight haulers better get a drop or if everything is going up stay the same.

[Bloody Legionnaire]

I'm surprised no one is talking about this yet.. I like the blighbringer relic. The Invuln for PM will be really nice.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/09/new-death-guard-rulesgw-homepage-post-2/

[WickedJester1013]

I like the idea of deepstriking typhus as 40 poxwalkers burst out of the ground next to him

[Bloody Legionnaire]

I like the idea of deepstriking typhus as 40 poxwalkers burst out of the ground next to him

 

For sure, that's definitely pretty huge! Especially if you drop Typhus in with some Blightlords because you can throw 'cloud of flies' on them and give them a little added survivability. The blightlords could also benefit from the psychic support. 

[Sherrypie]

 

I like the idea of deepstriking typhus as 40 poxwalkers burst out of the ground next to him

 

For sure, that's definitely pretty huge! Especially if you drop Typhus in with some Blightlords because you can throw 'cloud of flies' on them and give them a little added survivability. The blightlords could also benefit from the psychic support.

 

Cloud of Flies still can't be played on a deep striking unit because of timing issues.

 

Other than that, time will tell what fun there might be to be found in the PA. 5++ helps against scions and plasma spam, which could be fun if only there was any future for massed plague marines on foot.

[Bloody Legionnaire]

 

 

I like the idea of deepstriking typhus as 40 poxwalkers burst out of the ground next to him

 

For sure, that's definitely pretty huge! Especially if you drop Typhus in with some Blightlords because you can throw 'cloud of flies' on them and give them a little added survivability. The blightlords could also benefit from the psychic support.

 

Cloud of Flies still can't be played on a deep striking unit because of timing issues.

 

Other than that, time will tell what fun there might be to be found in the PA. 5++ helps against scions and plasma spam, which could be fun if only there was any future for massed plague marines on foot.

 

Cloud of flies states "use this stratagem during your Movement phase..." not "at the beginning of your movement phase..." I don't see why the timing would affect that? 

[McElMcNinja]

My favorite is the 12" plague bomb, that's the biggest winner for me so far.

[WickedJester1013]

I’m not sure how good it will be, but the idea of that demon bell giving an aoe 5++ coupled with the blight haulers cover save means our marines become tougher terminators with less wounds compared to the loyalist ones. He’ll toss in the plague surgeon and now you have marines with a 2+/5++/5+++ rerolling DR rolls of 1. That’s is a tanking mobile castle

[Sherrypie]

 

 

 

I like the idea of deepstriking typhus as 40 poxwalkers burst out of the ground next to him

 

For sure, that's definitely pretty huge! Especially if you drop Typhus in with some Blightlords because you can throw 'cloud of flies' on them and give them a little added survivability. The blightlords could also benefit from the psychic support.

 

Cloud of Flies still can't be played on a deep striking unit because of timing issues.

 

Other than that, time will tell what fun there might be to be found in the PA. 5++ helps against scions and plasma spam, which could be fun if only there was any future for massed plague marines on foot.

 

Cloud of flies states "use this stratagem during your Movement phase..." not "at the beginning of your movement phase..." I don't see why the timing would affect that?

 

Because you don't get any reserves before you decide to end your Movement Phase. This is some seriously wobbly rules writing, but it can be argued that you can't use voluntary stratagems like that after deciding to move on. I vaguely remember there being some hard rulings on this issue.

[Sherrypie]

Ah, in the rulebook FAQ:

 

Q: If I set up a unit on the battlefield as reinforcements at the end

of my Movement phase, can I then use any Stratagems that are

used ‘during your Movement phase’?

A: No, unless the Stratagem specifically says otherwise.

[WickedJester1013]

Regardless if the termies are safe or not. If you drop blight lords typhus and 40 pox walkers back field, and they don’t shot the pox walkers they are gonna have a seriously hard time with that manly str/tough 4 or even 5 if you get the spell off. And that is with out any potential strats pox walkers might get.