The Unseen Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 I figure that loss of humanity was the price for his foresight. Not so much loss really, more His attention was split between time. Malcador says something to one of the Primarchs, mightve been the Khan, when they complain that He is always busy and distant. Malcador replies that you should be happy he can have a conversation with you at all, as his sight is set far from here, or some such. The bigger your perspective, the more likely you are to lose sight of the small details And when your perspective is potentially all of time and space while trying to prevent the utter extinction of your species and save reality, well... Also, the thousands of Psykers being consumed isn't feeding the Emperor directly, its what fuels the Astronomicon. Now, whether the Throne could keep Emps *alive* without them is unknown. Whats also kinda crazy, the Thrones function is not just to control the largest psychic manifestation in the galaxy, it was designed to rebuild and maintain the Webway and allow Humanity to use it safely, with Magnus being custom built for that purpose. *Spoilers for HH Path of Heaven* Yesugei finds a dark mirror of the Throne, hidden in the middle of nowhere on a space station, with its foundations, a huge psychically active rod, buried in the Immaterium through a stable warp portal. Yesugei sits on the throne, and manages to open up a new web way gate that sends the Scars fleet across the whole galaxy and drops them right at the doorstep of our the Terran system. The Scars find a log from the previous master of the station, long dead along with everyone else on board the research station, and the log heavily implies that Magnus remains the only being other than Him who could use the Throne successfully, but the master of the station is going to try anyway, as the station has a saboteur aboard and everyone is dying. And then Yesugei finds burned skeletal remains on the throne and takes his place. The Throne is described by Yesugei as a massive pain engine, that massively augments psychic power, so much power it burns him out in literal seconds, he has just enough time to say goodbye to a few folks psychically, open the door, and then burns. Really cool sequence. Aramis K 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363570-what-exactly-is-the-emperor-spoilers/page/5/#findComment-5516353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialIssue Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 He was originally designed as an enthroned, writhing corpse psychically screaming into the darkness for 10,000 years. Nothing more than the very embodiment of the entire tonal horror of the universe; the terror of the end, a symbol of humanity in W40k. Bryan Blaire and Xenith 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363570-what-exactly-is-the-emperor-spoilers/page/5/#findComment-5516372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Shift Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 In the latest white dwarf there are a series of in-world snippets that describe what seem to be manifestations of 'daemons of the emperor'. A battleship lost with all hands that keeps on reappearing and laying waste to enemies and the legion of the damned. Which suggests that the power of the emperor is in resurgence. I think the reason that emps didn't ask guilliman to turn off the throne may be as simple as he is not entirely sure what will happen. We've seen that he is not infalliable. There's also the suggestion from the Cawl novel and the AC short story Ancient History that DAoT sentiences can transfer their consciousness/abilities to a new host and survive more or less indefinitely, in which case the Emperor, shackled to the throne, may not be able to move to a new host and is stuck in a catch 22 situation where he is unable to escape/evolve. That's if he is some kind of DAoT psychic weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363570-what-exactly-is-the-emperor-spoilers/page/5/#findComment-5516459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
armarnis Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 did they indeed mention the legion of the damned? thats curious as i expected them to be removed from the setting slowly but surely as they already left the codex marines for a lousy place in the legends Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363570-what-exactly-is-the-emperor-spoilers/page/5/#findComment-5516519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 My headcanon is this: The Emperor is a DAoT superweapon (as suggested in MoM). The Neolithic Anatolian origin is a purposeful fabrication. The Emperor was created during the DAoT, but not by humans. The Men of Iron were programmed to preserve the human species, and they sensed the danger brewing in the Warp. Some Men of Iron concluded that the best way would be to cull all human carriers of the psyker gene (whether recessive or dominant). Other Men of Iron concluded that humanity's ultimate preservation would best be achieved through the creation of a super-being to lead and unite the species. These latter Men of Iron were fewer in number but managed to help humanity defeat the former Men of Iron, and secretly created the Emperor during this time. They then deactivated or destroyed themselves (or went into exile) in recognition of their inability to guarantee that they would never become hostile to humanity in the future. The Emperor is the genetically perfect psychic human created by machines created by humans. He completes the circle. Alternatively, he is the ultimate evolution of the Men of Iron, a Man of Iron construct with a soul, capable of macro-scale (or incredibly precise) manipulation of the Warp through the technological equivalent of the psyker gene. He was designed to be mankind's ultimate sheperd, and the culmination of the loyalist Iron Men's mission to protect humanity. Other ideas here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351103-your-favourite-emperor-origin-ideas/ Spyros 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363570-what-exactly-is-the-emperor-spoilers/page/5/#findComment-5516572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 I mean that may be a more interesting speculative thread. 'What do you wish the Emperor was?' BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363570-what-exactly-is-the-emperor-spoilers/page/5/#findComment-5516586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Well, there is no answer to the question of this thread...until, I suppose, Saturnine Apparently he is the greatest of the Perpetuals met by Erda even during the Sumerian age So I guess that is that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363570-what-exactly-is-the-emperor-spoilers/page/5/#findComment-5516590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Yeah, I mentioned that. Unless people want to head canon it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363570-what-exactly-is-the-emperor-spoilers/page/5/#findComment-5516591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I'm a big fan of the "weapon from Dark Age of Technology" theory. But in my mind there is no concrete answer to his origins, nor should there be My personal theory is yes he's a weapon from the dark age but eventually he will ascend to actual godhood at which point time is nolonger a issue hence all the legend of him pre DAOT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363570-what-exactly-is-the-emperor-spoilers/page/5/#findComment-5517060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fajita Fan Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 In "Mechanicum" one of the characters sees the past when he was a knight on a horse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363570-what-exactly-is-the-emperor-spoilers/page/5/#findComment-5517888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaurdian31 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 In "Mechanicum" one of the characters sees the past when he was a knight on a horse. Yeah, I think he is supposed to be St. George putting down a dragon (the C'Tan Void Dragon more precisely). BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363570-what-exactly-is-the-emperor-spoilers/page/5/#findComment-5518377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 =][=Okay, as some people can't follow the rules on their behaviour, this is going into time out.=][= battle captain corpus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363570-what-exactly-is-the-emperor-spoilers/page/5/#findComment-5518520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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