9th edition incoming

[Valerian]

It was really directed more at our other members of The Fang than at you (although I started out by using your name).  I was just using your post as a launching point for the point that I wanted to make.  

 

To make that clearer, maybe what I should have said was:  

 

If you're like Wispy, and really love collecting and kit-bashing everything, to test your skills and see what you can make out of these new models, then the new boxed set will be a big project opportunity for you.  However, if you are like me (Valerian) with mediocre skills, and not a lot of patience to work through a major converting project, here is how I would take advantage of the new models and units that we've seen so far:

 

 

Depending on actual rules and kit, there are a few units from those pics (assuming a starter boxed set for the new edition) that we can probably easily make use of:

 

 

1.  Wolf up the Chaplain to make a proper Primaris Wolf Priest.

2.  Wolf up the Assault Intercessors to take the place of Blood Claws.

3.  Wolf up the Heavy Weapon/Melta Gravis dudes to make a dedicated shooty anti-tank Pack to take the place of Long Fangs.

4.  Wolf up the Bikes to take the place of Swiftclaws.

 

 

With our Wulfen and Thunderwolves, we don't really need to put in the hard work to convert those Storm Shield Veteran types.  I'd rather just wait it out a year or two and see what Space Wolves faction specific unique Primaris units we eventually get.  It'd be a different story if we really needed a unit like that to fill an empty niche.  But, if you are up for that sort of challenge, then go for it; I'm sure the folks in here will appreciate what you're able to accomplish.

[Guest Triszin]

Im just happy we have some primaris models with movement in them.

 

I'll be using hte assault int's as my new base to build stuff from

 

I'd like to reiterate, I really think its worth it for wolves and other non standard chapters to magnetize there arms.

I will attempt to do this going forward

Edited May 23, 2020 by Triszin

[Valerian]

I'm pretty excited about the new models (and other new models that are incoming, that we haven't seen yet), but I'm also pretty excited about the rules revisions coming in the new 9e Core Rules, and how those are going to shape the future of the game.  Looks like they're addressing some of the major concerns that the player base has had through 8e, and working on smoothing out or eliminating "feel bad" moments.

[Plague _Lord]

This all puts my spave wolves project on hold. The models look amazong but have a crusade type look that just doesnt fit with wolves.

 

Gonna have to see rules and rewrite my lists...

[Lord Ragnarok]

Yeah I just closed my army planning and finished building two models last night. I’m going to keep going though.

[HvitrValdyr]

Some great fodder here as others have said. If I pick this up I’ll probably sell on the sword and shield guys (regular and character) and if their rules make it worth it, convert my own that are less gothic. Looking forward to wolfing up the gravis guys, bikes and assault Intercessors.

[Valerian]

This all puts my spave wolves project on hold. The models look amazong but have a crusade type look that just doesnt fit with wolves.

 

Gonna have to see rules and rewrite my lists...

 

Yeah, agree.  Amazing Space Marine models for some other Chapters, but mostly not a good fit for us, outside of the more "plain" units in there.  So, I'll probably skip out on it, if it's the actual starter boxed set for the new edition, and just pick up the few units that I want for my SW army later, when they become available as separate kits.  

[Guest Triszin]

keep in mind, you could always work on transports vehicles.

 

:)

 

Im hoping the new flyer rules help the stormwolf as a flying landraider

[Lord Blackwood]

im going to end up with 3 wolf priests after this 

[Guest Triszin]

depending on how the tank rule is written.

 

I.e. Vehicles engaged in cqc can still fire there weapons.

 

Might be a boost for our venerable dreads and bjorn.

[Wolf Guard Dan]

I’m curious if you guys will prefer the close combat Intercessors versus the gun Intercessors. I suppose it’s the same age-old debate of grey hunters versus blood claws.

 

Also will depend on what changes 9th brings but overkill is a problem for us. We don’t want to kill too fast and leave ourselves open to get shot in the opponents shooting phase.

[Guest Triszin]

if assault INT's are troop, I'll take them over incursors*.

 

If theres no assault delivery for them, im still hesitant.

[Wispy]

those bikes are going to be big for us.

[Valerian]

I’m curious if you guys will prefer the close combat Intercessors versus the gun Intercessors. I suppose it’s the same age-old debate of grey hunters versus blood claws.

 

Also will depend on what changes 9th brings but overkill is a problem for us. We don’t want to kill too fast and leave ourselves open to get shot in the opponents shooting phase.

 

My tentative plan is to go with both types of Intercessors, and use them for somewhat different purposes.  I'm going to have Ragnar with an escort, and Haldor (with Armour of Russ) with an escort, in two Impulsors going forward.  They really want to get stuck in close combat, obviously, because that's what those two characters are designed for, so it makes sense to now send them in with the Assault Intercessors.  

 

Also, I'm not super worried about 'overkill' because we've got that sweet 6" Consolidate move with Ragnar nearby.  Opponents will have to work really hard to keep us from being able to lock ourselves into a new unit.  If you are worried about killing everything around you, you can always take the option of attacking with your basic close combat weapon (that every model is assumed to have), so Ragnar doesn't have to use Frosting, and the Assault Intercessors don't have to use their Chainswords, so less attacks, if you really need to pull back on a weak unit.

 

My other Intercessors don't necessarily have to get into melee to do their work, so 4 more Packs of 'Tactical' (standard) Intercessors makes sense, here.  These are the guys that will be really good at sitting on Objectives.  They're pretty hard to shift, and can do decent work with their Bolt Rifles up to 30" away. 

those bikes are going to be big for us.

 

Yeah, it was nice to see that all of the Bike riders had Chainswords, so they'll be a decent assault choice for us, as well.  I'm hoping for twin=Bolt Rifles as the mounted weapon, vice the old Bolt Guns of earlier Bikes.

 

[Guest]

im going to guess the "hellfuries" gravis have

 

Melta lances. With how slow they move, they need a weapon at least 24"

Hellfuries were quoted as being part of UM 9th company, alongside with devastators, hellblasters, and eliminators. They were considered long range units. I don't think meltas fit into that category. There was a volkite pistol spotted, volkite would be a better fit maybe?

[Lord Blackwood]

Amusingly enough  I have 10 intercessors left to paint , 2 Aggressors , and 2 Eliminators for my Dread Wolves project 

I am going to push through those , then  wait on new models. 

[Wolf Guard Dan]

I’m planning on sticking with gun Intercessors, at least until we know more. I think GW will overvalue the assault Intercessors. And to be honest the extra shots from an auto bolt is going to be more effective than an extra close combat attack.

[Iron Lord]

 

Hellfuries were quoted as being part of UM 9th company, alongside with devastators, hellblasters, and eliminators. They were considered long range units. I don't think meltas fit into that category. 

Aggressors are also Fire  Support, even if  they've got flamers. Boltstorm Gauntlets aren't especially long-ranged either. Fire  Support doesn't mean long-ranged, just shooty.

[Lord Blackwood]

I’m planning on sticking with gun Intercessors, at least until we know more. I think GW will overvalue the assault Intercessors. And to be honest the extra shots from an auto bolt is going to be more effective than an extra close combat attack.

This is a fair point , makes you  wonder if there will be some other benefit they see for being assault oriented. 

 

I think the units I am most excited for are the Veterans with the shields and power weapons and the Bikes ,  Assault intercessors are gonna need to be a little  extra , atleast on the charge. 

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

 

 

This all puts my spave wolves project on hold. The models look amazong but have a crusade type look that just doesnt fit with wolves.

 

Gonna have to see rules and rewrite my lists...

Yeah, agree. Amazing Space Marine models for some other Chapters, but mostly not a good fit for us, outside of the more "plain" units in there. So, I'll probably skip out on it, if it's the actual starter boxed set for the new edition, and just pick up the few units that I want for my SW army later, when they become available as separate kits.

Honestly I feel like the crusade look is mostly in the head a Emperor knows we all have plenty of head swaps lol.

 

I'm quite excited about the releases coming to is. The models are sweet, I especially love the assault intercessors, it's just the brutal edge the intercessors needed. The others I expect will be funny after a big of wolfing up as well.

 

I was definitely excited by today reveals, now yo clear some backlog ...

[Debauchery101]

 

 

Yea chapter specific stuff I’m sure is all a ways out as you say. Problem is im slow so any primaris for me is a long ways out too. Perfect heartbreak timing...

so,

we are in the assault wave phase.

we still have the heavy support phase

then the chapter specific phase

 

so chapter specific could be 6~ years out

I seen some pics of dudes with heavy weapons at the top of that 'starter set' picture for the marines

[BadgersinHills]

A little disheartened, wondering if the new marines will mean the death of the old ones. Of course, many thought that it was obvious from the beginning but I wasn't so sure.. Sigh.

 

Models do look cool, though!!

[Lord Blackwood]

A little disheartened, wondering if the new marines will mean the death of the old ones. Of course, many thought that it was obvious from the beginning but I wasn't so sure.. Sigh.

 

Models do look cool, though!!

I dont reckon  that this is the death of old marines just yet , it certainly is starting to get to a point where splitting primaris out of  the standard space marine codex may be a thing that they consider , especially if we get another wave of primaris stuff 

[Debauchery101]

A little disheartened, wondering if the new marines will mean the death of the old ones. Of course, many thought that it was obvious from the beginning but I wasn't so sure.. Sigh.

 

Models do look cool, though!!

I've been playing with the same toy soldiers for 30 yrs lol I just wish they'd do it quicker. Sucks for non codex chapters though because they look so much different than just a paint job. They get served last with themed models.

[Valerian]

I’m planning on sticking with gun Intercessors, at least until we know more. I think GW will overvalue the assault Intercessors. And to be honest the extra shots from an auto bolt is going to be more effective than an extra close combat attack.

I think that really depends on what you intend to do with them. If your Intercessors are going to out on the table, in the mid-field, then yes, you’ll get more mileage out of the Auto Bolt Rifles. If your Intercessors are camping on rear Objectives in your deployment zone, then Bolt Rifles, or possibly even Stalkers, will be better. However, if you’re delivering them straight into combat in Turn 2 or 3 from Impulsors, and they’re going to spend most of the rest of the game in melee, then those AP-2 Pistols (in the Assault Doctrine), and extra AP-1 melee Attacks from the Chainswords are going to outperform the ‘tactical’ Intercessors by a long shot.