Valerian Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 If tactical marine equivalents get two wounds but not the extra attack or special bolters are we gonna be happy or mad? Points being less than an Intercessor of course. And what if tactical equivalents get that and maybe Intercessors get 3 wounds? Does that change how happy we are? Idk the likelihood of this one seems like more of a stretch. Why are you asking about this? There is no indication that number of Wounds are changing for anyone; especially not regular line Firstborn Marines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Nervous times as we await point increases :) With 12 CP the starting point for a 2k game then Bjorn looks extra appealing as does limiting lists to one detachment That’s just starting CP. we’ll be able to generate more in each Command Phase, too. True but we dont know the mechanics yet. We also generate CP from killing characters in close combat :) Wolf Guard Dan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Heard a rumor and was curious what you guys would think of it. This rumor seems to pop up with new editions. So maybe it holds no water. FWIW I do think tac marines will go to two wounds. It would have big implications for people deciding to go to primaris or not. It would require a big faq/errata. Which that is another thing people been saying. The second follow up question was more if they were to maintain primaris having a wound over first born. Intercessors at 3W would really mess with the damage of a lot of weapons. So I am dubious of that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 real question now is. How much are the detachments? because that could very well put wolves back into the same command point crunch we were in before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) Cheers WGD, dont see it happening myself Some are saying points increases roughly 20% across board. Hoping thats closer to 15% and for base model cost with weapons largely not changing so 10% overall TWC take a hit but Wulfen, Aggressors, Long Fangs, Warsuits, dreads become better in value Edited June 3, 2020 by Dark Shepherd Wolf Guard Dan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Heard a rumor and was curious what you guys would think of it. This rumor seems to pop up with new editions. So maybe it holds no water. FWIW I do think tac marines will go to two wounds. It would have big implications for people deciding to go to primaris or not. It would require a big faq/errata. Which that is another thing people been saying. The second follow up question was more if they were to maintain primaris having a wound over first born. Intercessors at 3W would really mess with the damage of a lot of weapons. So I am dubious of that one. It’s a bad rumor; they aren’t going to suddenly improve mini-Marines. They’ve got new Primaris units to sell. Giving Firstborn a second Wound would run counter to the company’s intent. real question now is. How much are the detachments? because that could very well put wolves back into the same command point crunch we were in before The first Detachment is going to be free; I’d put money on that. So, if you can get everything you want to fit into a Battalion, you should be just fine. Lord Blackwood and Iain_Stormeyes 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Two Wolf Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Cheers WGD, dont see it happening myself Some are saying points increases roughly 20% across board. Hoping thats closer to 15% and for base model cost with weapons largely not changing so 10% overall TWC take a hit but Wulfen, Aggressors, Long Fangs, Warsuits, dreads become better in value Compared to many other units wulfen are on the edge of broken, I expect them to go up a lot in points. Bring out the WGTDA!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Compared to many other units wulfen are on the edge of broken, I expect them to go up a lot in points. Bring out the WGTDA!! If only our TWC were as good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0deb1ue Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Cheers WGD, dont see it happening myself Some are saying points increases roughly 20% across board. Hoping thats closer to 15% and for base model cost with weapons largely not changing so 10% overall TWC take a hit but Wulfen, Aggressors, Long Fangs, Warsuits, dreads become better in value Compared to many other units wulfen are on the edge of broken, I expect them to go up a lot in points. Bring out the WGTDA!! They can't really go up much in points unless 9th edition suddenly allows them to be delivered better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Danger is they might as rules for cover, LOS, and overwatch have changed Gut instinct is existing value of units now will be amplified, so heart based army list decisions like rule of cool etc take a hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/04/taking-command-of-your-pointsgw-homepage-post-1/ Some notes from today's Stream. -CP based on game size (As seen in yesterday's article) -Designed to have people bring the units they want rather than units they have to bring -Spend CP on detachments, soup, strategic reserves, etc. Some missions will give CP each turn IN ADDITION TO the pool given at game start. -The detachment with your warlord will not cost CP -Warlord traits that give bonus CP are unchanged -Traits that refund CP being capped are now baked into the core rules -ObSec still a thing -Current universal stratagems are unchanged, but there will be 5 more! -New universal stratagem will cause wounds to units attempting to fall back. More wounds the bigger the unit being fallen back from! -Greater emphasis on elite units rather than troops -Detachment abilities mentioned https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/04/taking-command-of-your-pointsgw-homepage-post-1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Also worth pointing out that the Battalion Detachment now has 6 slots for Elites, which is awesome! Edit - oops! I guess it has been like this for all of 8th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mika_angelus Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 It always did :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 It always did :) Oh, yeah. I guess I was too used to the old-timey FOC, and since I was always just putting together double-Battalions in BatlleScribe, I never noticed the extra Elite slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) I think I can finally make a list I want, without paying troop tax. As I only ever really wanted 1-2 troops, not 3+ Edited June 4, 2020 by Triszin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0deb1ue Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) Right but you can't take more than 3 HQs without losing CPs... Not really great for our army Edited June 4, 2020 by C0deb1ue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I think thats where supreme commander detachment would come in, no? Iain_Stormeyes and Valerian 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Two Wolf Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 We have elite characters which helps. A thought just struck me, could be nothing, should every unit be able to charge 2d6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 I think thats where supreme commander detachment would come in, no? Yes but now we have to pay extra CPs for each extra detachment. Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Specialist attachments are only 1-2 characters Murderfang as an elite and maybe Lukas could be extra good choices now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain_Stormeyes Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Specialist attachments are only 1-2 characters Murderfang as an elite and maybe Lukas could be extra good choices now Honestly, I think since PA dropped Murderfang has been a good choice. Untargetable, huge number of attacks at D3, and only 125 points. Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Durendal Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) In case didn’t see the preview on Warhammer Community, IRT detachments, costs, etc: Battalion Detachment costs 3 CP with the folllowing: - mandatory 2HQ/3Troops. - Restriction is that there can be NO understrength units in the detachment (and from my understanding this means no more min/maxing, ie no more spamming 5-man tac squads or similar. To get the bonus you need full 10man squads. Which I like for us wolves because it’s easy to get 10 man GH squads with dual special weapons and a WG in it for some CC special weapon goodness) - Command Benefit: if your warlord is in this detachment you get +3 CP (so basically you lose 3 CP for taking it but then regain 3 CP if your warlord is here thus making this detachment in essence “free”) - Dedicated Transports: can include 1 for each infantry unit taken. I interpret this as free transports buttttt <<shrugs>> Could just mean they no longer take up their own unique Force Org slot. Edited June 5, 2020 by Roland Durendal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) In case didn’t see the preview on Warhammer Community, IRT detachments, costs, etc: Battalion Detachment costs 3 CP with the folllowing: - mandatory 2HQ/3Troops. - Restriction is that there can be NO understrength units in the detachment (and from my understanding this means no more min/maxing, ie no more spamming 5-man tac squads or similar. To get the bonus you need full 10man squads. Which I like for us wolves because it’s easy to get 10 man GH squads with dual special weapons and a WG in it for some CC special weapon goodness) Per the FAQ 1.1 about understrength units Page 242 – Understrength Units Change the second paragraph to read: ‘If you are using Power Ratings, you must still pay the Power Rating cost as if you had a minimum-sized unit, even though it contains fewer models. If you are using points, you only pay the points for the models you actually have in an understrength unit (and any wargear they are equipped with). An understrength unit still takes up the appropriate slot in a Detachment. It's not about using a full number of 10 grey hunters, but that you pay 5 or 10 models (PL only allows 5/10 grey hunters). if you don't have enough models, say 7, then you still pay the full price for 10 models. This only occurs for PL not points in 8th. So I think 9th is making it so you can't play 3 units of 1-4,6-9 GH, and get the detachment bonus. You must play at lest 3 units of 5 or 10 GH. Edited June 5, 2020 by Jarl Caldersson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 The rules for under strength units in detachments will probably be clarified. So we have to sit tight. It almost seems like they want less emphasis on characters or at least stacking auras that characters provide. Didn’t they say the Judicar is an elite slot character? I’m more nervous about trying to get all the elites I want in a list. We’ve got a lot of good elite units. Karack Blackstone and Roland Durendal 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Specialist attachments are only 1-2 characters Murderfang as an elite and maybe Lukas could be extra good choices now Honestly, I think since PA dropped Murderfang has been a good choice. Untargetable, huge number of attacks at D3, and only 125 points. And with CP right up theres definitely room to spend 1cp to reduce damage or most likely 2cp for him to fight again if he dies Iain_Stormeyes 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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