Indefragable Posted July 12, 2020 Author Share Posted July 12, 2020 The worst part of a new edition is always that loophole that is exploited at the first big tournament. BA were “OP” at the start of 8th b/c the first big tournament was won by someone running all aircraft + Dante....but the only reason it was BA was b/c Dante was the only Chapter Master aura to keep up at the time. Dante has been practically nonexistent for the rest of 8th. And by loophole I mean the classic RAW vs RAI dilemma. The above mentioned example led to the swift issue of the Boots on the Ground rule. Some would see it as the skill of the player to find the margins of such things and bust them open like a cavalry charge making a breach in the enemy lines. I can appreciate that, but I also think wonky things that are RAW like being unattackable in melee because you’re standing on a shipping crate just ruin the game. It’s ultimately on the designers to rectify such things. We’re all human and know one can predict everything, but I think it’s very important for designers to speak up and say “yea, not supposed to work like that...we’ll be back with a fix soon” to at least give cover to TO’s and such. My hope is that GW’s “acquisition” of talent from the big tournament scene will stave off much of the early exploitations. brother_b 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 How good is your LOS, if you are 2" away from the edge of a 5" high building? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) tl;dw points review:https://www.goonhammer.com/the-9th-edition-munitorum-field-manual-points-review/Video catalogue of points changes:https://m.youtube.com/c/StrikingScorpion82/videos (we're about 14 mins in on the Astartes video) Edited July 13, 2020 by Jolemai Morticon and Drunken Angel 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Big notes for us: Mephy up by 25. Shields up to 4 from 2. Hammers 15/40 Fists 10. Axes/Swds etc - 5. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) Man, Dante can just not get a break.....170 :/ DC with JP = 21 DC intercessors = 23 sangguard base = 24. V.Vets with JP = 19 Edited July 13, 2020 by Morticon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I guess Dante can finally rest. I am AFB right now, is 24 more or less than the current cost for sanguinary guard? Did the Encarmine weapons change in price? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I guess Dante can finally rest. I am AFB right now, is 24 more or less than the current cost for sanguinary guard? Did the Encarmine weapons change in price? Overall they are 5 or 6 points more expensive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Dante going up when he kind of sucked already is a kick in the teeth. He really needs better rules.But i find it interesting that we were the only army not to get a desinger/tournament person comment during our faction focus. And Mephiston had a rubbish primaris update, most characters got -something- special in addition to the generic +1A and +1W.These days i do tend to think GW aren't particularly keen on BA, they don't have anyone internally championing them essentially. Mephston points going up so much seems equally dumb as characters in his price range normally went up around 10... oh well, overall I doubt it matters really. Quixus, Morticon, ThatOneMarshal and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) Am I missing something that warrants the points increase for the SG? Edited July 13, 2020 by Quixus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Am I missing something that warrants the points increase for the SG? Pretty much everything went up all across every army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 34ppm for sanguard with fists is still decent, right? I'm ok with ss vanvets at 23ppm, though I wish I'd made some with axes instead of swords. Axe is clearly superior now, I feel. Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Am I missing something that warrants the points increase for the SG? As noted, nearly every unit in the game went up. Essentially, you're looking at 1750 points of 8th being 2k of 9th - for the vast majority of armies. A few were less scathed. SnorriSnorrison and Quixus 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Had a game against Custodes yesterday, the rules for 9th and especially missions sure seem different and more tactical, which is great. The leaked points changes however are absolutely disastrous. The heavy hitters BA rely on to get things done have all gone up in points, and especially SG hurt the most. They're a unit that's very easy to shift after the first attack and can't take any damage in return... Also, Tactical Marines going up to 15 is...quite unfortunate since they basically require a transport, which incidentally is also getting more expensive. It's as if BA had a big numerical advantage in the past...All of the point changes, none of them I like. Characters especially seem ludicrous now. I don't know which intern they've let loose on the spreadsheets, but overall most changes don't appear sensible. As a bit of a brag, a friend of mine got two boxes of Indomitus so I'm looking at 10 assault intercessors, 6 Outriders, a Lieutenant and a Chaplain! Good tidings. At least the Outriders are cheap. :D Drunken Angel 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) FAQs are out: https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#warhammer-40000 Edited July 13, 2020 by Jolemai Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanDutch Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Nice to see the Phobos can take the Sanguinary Discipline now, not that he gets in a list before Mephiston or a Libby Dread anyway (unless you’re running a Phobos list) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Nice to see the Phobos can take the Sanguinary Discipline now, not that he gets in a list before Mephiston or a Libby Dread anyway (unless you’re running a Phobos list) Pretty sure they could always do that. The PotMS was removed since it's redundant now, so I do hope GW will actually give those vehicle a rule that is worth the points increase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanDutch Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Nice to see the Phobos can take the Sanguinary Discipline now, not that he gets in a list before Mephiston or a Libby Dread anyway (unless you’re running a Phobos list) Pretty sure they could always do that. The data sheet in Blood of Baal only allowed them to take from the Obscuration discipline. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5561976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 The PotMS was removed since it's redundant now, so I do hope GW will actually give those vehicle a rule that is worth the points increase.Do any of the Primaris vehicles have it? So I doubt it or something similar will be back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5562046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 The PotMS was removed since it's redundant now, so I do hope GW will actually give those vehicle a rule that is worth the points increase.Do any of the Primaris vehicles have it? So I doubt it or something similar will be back. Repulsors had it. SnorriSnorrison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5562052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Nice to see the Phobos can take the Sanguinary Discipline now, not that he gets in a list before Mephiston or a Libby Dread anyway (unless you’re running a Phobos list) Pretty sure they could always do that.The data sheet in Blood of Baal only allowed them to take from the Obscuration discipline. It was added in the SM summer update along with shock assault and all the other Phobos units. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5562055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Repulsors had it. It is right there in the erratum. Sorry about that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5562060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montoya Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Interesting. Unless I'm missing it, the rules for storm shields were not updated in the FAQ, but they are updated in the FAQ for the new box. So that implies that the storm shield rules leaked only applies to the primaris storm shields doesn't it? Or did I just miss it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5562143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impervious Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 GW is making the kits to order, although it's going to take a couple of month to get them. I was hoping they would do something like this, but I was also hoping they would release this news the day after the kits were shipped, to screw over all the scalpers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5562184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Interesting. Unless I'm missing it, the rules for storm shields were not updated in the FAQ, but they are updated in the FAQ for the new box. So that implies that the storm shield rules leaked only applies to the primaris storm shields doesn't it? Or did I just miss it? Yeah they said so on FB already as well. Gotta wait for a new Codex if at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5562193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Angel Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 12 inch flame storms and flat 6" advance seems helpful Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364080-ba-and-9th-ed/page/19/#findComment-5562196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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