9th Starter Box Speculation

[Medjugorje]

So, okay, this is more hints/rumours from the playtester. Specifically, about the Outriders (the bikers):

 

"Yeah I would hold on to those bikers, they are crazy good." (this was in response to someone saying he wants to offload the bikes)

 

"crazy good how? Because unless they have any some kind of funky rules all I see are just chainswords and twin both rifles Unless you're referring to the fact that they'll be zipping around with three wounds a 14-inch movement and toughness 5?" (this was me inquiring)

 

This, however, is the most important bit:

"Yeah they have some other stuff and the profile is better

They be legit tasty for all marine factions especially for ones with bonuses to combat

I think WS, BT, BA, DA, and SW will all do well with a load of these.

I think they may be the most “competitive” choice from the models previewed thus far"

 

Have fun speculificating! Because he wouldn't say any more than that

I remember how a GW-member in a faq (8th edition preview) said how good Reivers are with Helbrecht on their side.

 

They never used to be good and there was no way to team up with Helbrecht because they were placed per deepstrike and Helbrecht is a normal Infantry unit and not have the Primaris keyword. 

 

For me GW officials often dont understand their own game. Beside the new models I am very scared about the rule, vehicles can shoot into combat because you never have to take a melee weapon then if you can a shooty weapon with so much more shots you can use in melee AND normal. Thats totally stupid - we will see 

[Marshal Reinhard]

So whats going to be in the box?

Looks like might well be Marines/Sisters/Necrons. My guess is 50/50 Imperium/Xenos split as Crons have more new units coming out rather than straight 3 way

Marine section might just be Assault Intercessors plus characters going by leaks and previews

Sisters inclusion is interesting...

I'm thinking the starter box is gonna be marines only vs Necrons. The greater narrative and Crusade rules whatever thingy they're doing, is going to have a greater force of Various Imperium in a huge themed army. But the amount of marines we've seen leaked, matches the DI amount almost perfectly. Furthermore, there is quite a bit of repitition among the assault intercessors:

Which tells me they're on sprues like shadowspear or Dark Imperium.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Didn't Shadowspear contents end up in 'starter' boxes after shadowspear itself had run its course?

 

I do expect a big box (I mean they flat out stated one is coming even), but that doesnt mean there can't be sepperate boxes for them later.

[TootiusNootius]

Similar in number to Dark Imperium. But it does seem a little too good to be true - Although I thought the same about Dark Imperium at first. 

 

The Marines and I assume the 'Crons too are clearly monopose, you can see it really clearly on the assault intercessors so this is very similar in terms of sheer plastic and quality of sculpts on the Marine side although the Bikes may sway it into a slightly higher bracket [Although Dark Vengeance had Ravenwing bikes, no?] - I am so happy with it though, my friend who wants the Marines always wants to just charge with his shiny new marines and now he can [i might actually have to start a little Marine force too - Primaris Space Wolves/White Scars might actually be fun now, think I've got some Dark Imperium Marines lying about still].

 

This might take the cake as the best starter ever if it is the true contents of the box.

 

 

Didn't Shadowspear contents end up in 'starter' boxes after shadowspear itself had run its course?

 

I do expect a big box (I mean they flat out stated one is coming even), but that doesnt mean there can't be sepperate boxes for them later.

 

Interesting. Although I think that it's more likely that the one off models that have no standalone release like the HQ's [Lord of Contagion, Prim Ancient etc] will get their monopose release and the rest of it will be quietly retired. Although maybe it will be split and you'll get one LT, A Intercessor Squad and some Hellblasters as a Primaris Start Collecting using Dark Imperium sculpts.

 

The Shadowspear stuff still has exclusive models with no wide multi-part kits [supps, Oblits, Greater Possessed etc] so if they retire those a lot vanishes and GW doesn't like datasheets with no model anymore.

Edited May 24, 2020 by TootiusNootius

[Red_Shift]

If that is the starter I am very tempted by two boxes, although it might depend on what the multipart versions are like. I can see the melta dudes coming with either gatling cannon or grav as an alternative and I'd be interested to see what posing options the crusaders might have. If they all have choom then BT players are going to be having a lot of bbq.

 

I already have a sizeable necron collection so the warrior side is less interesting to me but the destroyers and the tripod thing, oh my!

[Axineton]

I said earlier in the thread I reckon this’ll be £125 for the box and I counted 54 miniatures total in both pictures of necrons and marines so I think that’s the starter box. Dark imperium has 53 miniatures so I reckon this is it. Now I could be wrong and probably am but this is what I’d bet on at the bookies after seeing all the stuff yesterday

[FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants]

I've got to try and pick up another DI boxed set, as I do love the models. Either that or just pick up a few select units from a bits site.

[Marshal Reinhard]

 

The Shadowspear stuff still has exclusive models with no wide multi-part kits [supps, Oblits, Greater Possessed etc] so if they retire those a lot vanishes and GW doesn't like datasheets with no model anymore.

Well shadowspear hasn't been available for a while now if I'm not mistaken. You're right that were are missing some of the contents.

 

Regardless, this upcoming box isn't to replace shadowspear, but Dark Imperium. As they stated clearly in their faq.

[SilverShire]

 

 

The Shadowspear stuff still has exclusive models with no wide multi-part kits [supps, Oblits, Greater Possessed etc] so if they retire those a lot vanishes and GW doesn't like datasheets with no model anymore.

Well shadowspear hasn't been available for a while now if I'm not mistaken. You're right that were are missing some of the contents.

 

Regardless, this upcoming box isn't to replace shadowspear, but Dark Imperium. As they stated clearly in their faq.

 

But the shadow spear models are available in the start collecting boxes. I think its just a clever ploy by GW. 9 months (I think, could be wrong on timescale) after shadow spear release the new start collecting are released, and potentially 9 months after the start collecting boxes are released individual kits are released.

 

Regardless, I am looking forward to the box replacing DI as I know 3 Necron players that I can split the box with!

[Marshal Reinhard]

 

 

 

The Shadowspear stuff still has exclusive models with no wide multi-part kits [supps, Oblits, Greater Possessed etc] so if they retire those a lot vanishes and GW doesn't like datasheets with no model anymore.

Well shadowspear hasn't been available for a while now if I'm not mistaken. You're right that were are missing some of the contents.

 

Regardless, this upcoming box isn't to replace shadowspear, but Dark Imperium. As they stated clearly in their faq.

 

But the shadow spear models are available in the start collecting boxes. I think its just a clever ploy by GW. 9 months (I think, could be wrong on timescale) after shadow spear release the new start collecting are released, and potentially 9 months after the start collecting boxes are released individual kits are released.

 

Regardless, I am looking forward to the box replacing DI as I know 3 Necron players that I can split the box with!

 

 

Not all of the shadowspear models, which was the argument i was responding to.

[TootiusNootius]

 

Well shadowspear hasn't been available for a while now if I'm not mistaken. You're right that were are missing some of the contents.

 

Regardless, this upcoming box isn't to replace shadowspear, but Dark Imperium. As they stated clearly in their faq.

 

You're misunderstanding, I am using Shadowspear to show precedence; I mean they split Shadowspear and put it as start collecting's for CSM and Vanguard, but still haven't done the multi-parts of units in that box. 

Meaning we might get either separate releases from Dark Imperium or the models from the 'Know No Fear' kit will be split in half and become the start collecting for Primaris Marines and Deathguard and those units that still don't have a release after that will be monopose standalone - Like the Phobos Captain and Librarian. So the Malignant plaguecaster will become a standalone HQ you can buy for £20 like all other HQ's. Otherwise those units vanish and that is against what GW do now, no model with a datasheet without a model for it they sell.

Edited May 24, 2020 by TootiusNootius

[Dark Shepherd]

 

 

Still need to explain the Sisters though....

I assume it's their involvement in Pariah's story with the Inquisitor leading into 9th.

 

+Also they're one of the newer codex's, their a new range which GW will want to push considering they'd only just fully dropped before lockdown+

That could be it. Could also be its just marketing in general, some people like female characters.

 

Triz has given me a slim sliver of hope that this box wont be more or much more expensive than DI, DI was £95 so has that psychological feel of sub 100 in GWs home currency. Would still be more hopeful of £105/€135 though

[TootiusNootius]

 

That could be it. Could also be its just marketing in general, some people like female characters.

 

Triz has given me a slim sliver of hope that this box wont be more or much more expensive than DI, DI was £95 so has that psychological feel of sub 100 in GWs home currency. Would still be more hopeful of £105/€135 though

 

 

It has one more model than Dark Imperium and is a starter kit, this is meant to get new people through the door and GW will sell it at a much lower price than they would as separate kits - It's a hook. It's monopose and thus easier to design to fit in a minimum of sprue space which will lower production costs, the sprues for Dark Imperium and Shadowspear were very efficient. 

 

£100 seems bang on, if not the same £95 as DI. People are worried about the price increase, but seeing as Dark Imperium itself wasn't on that list I don't see it going up much if at all [Note; models such as the old Necron Warriors were on there despite them announcing the new ones so soon after, so it's safe to say that's a good indicator of price staying similar].

 

The main thing I see increasing the price perhaps is the rulebook depending on where GW are printing it, as if it's being printed in China that might cause issues in price.

[Doghouse]

I don't think the Sisters have anything to do with the starter set as we've seen the contents now. I see mention of the Sisters being included because they were in the trailer but if that is the case why isn't anyone talking about the Guard or Intercessors being in the set?

[Marshal Reinhard]

 

 

Well shadowspear hasn't been available for a while now if I'm not mistaken. You're right that were are missing some of the contents.

 

Regardless, this upcoming box isn't to replace shadowspear, but Dark Imperium. As they stated clearly in their faq.

 

You're misunderstanding, I am using Shadowspear to show precedence; I mean they split Shadowspear and put it as start collecting's for CSM and Vanguard, but still haven't done the multi-parts of units in that box. 

Meaning we might get either separate releases from Dark Imperium or the models from the 'Know No Fear' kit will be split in half and become the start collecting for Primaris Marines and Deathguard and those units that still don't have a release after that will be monopose standalone - Like the Phobos Captain and Librarian. So the Malignant plaguecaster will become a standalone HQ you can buy for £20 like all other HQ's. Otherwise those units vanish and that is against what GW do now, no model with a datasheet without a model for it they sell.

 

 

I think we're talking around each other.

 

Shadowspear did come and go, and then it was split and some of the contents were put in starter like boxes. Focusing only on the vanguard (because I can't tell the filthy traitor heretics apart :P ) then most of the stuff was put in a start collecting box, and some characters were given stand alone kits. In addition to that, we got multipart infiltrator and exterminator kits to go along with it. Notable exception is that the surpressors who still haven't gotten a multipart kit.

 

This is what I am saying is likely going to happen with the new box.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Reinhard

[Chapter Master Valrak]

Didn’t Valrak say the forces are split into separate boxes? Opposed to a typical box of two armies.

 

That was my opinion not fact :lol:

[AenarIT]

I've just noticed one thing: there's a few Canoptek Scarabs bases in the SM picture, in front of the sword&board dudes. They would bring the model count up by 5 more than the previous estimate of 30/33 Necrons (we only see 17 Warriors in the pic) plus 24 Marines. 


 

[Marshal Reinhard]

Could be that these specific xenos bugs are only there for dramatic effect. We have terrain and scenery in this picture. 

 

Ergo my point is, I'd only count the marines in this particular picture, and I'd only count the necrons in the other similiar picture they had.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Reinhard

[TootiusNootius]

 

Theory: This lad is a Pariah. Blanks are extremely rare, so instead of being a multi-model elites unit they're now an anti-psyker HQ.

[Dark Shepherd]

I don't think the Sisters have anything to do with the starter set as we've seen the contents now. I see mention of the Sisters being included because they were in the trailer but if that is the case why isn't anyone talking about the Guard or Intercessors being in the set?

Inters are in it with chainswords :) Also theyre not a faction. Sisters are half the narrative for the trailer but also one of 3 featured factions on the new 40k site.

 

Theyre getting a big push for some reason even if main box is Necrons v Marines as weve now seen. Dont think anyone has said they might be in the box since the 2 bigger pics leaked

 

@Tootius am hoping they keep that starter box ethos going, they just have been price increasing hard for the last 18 months

Edited May 24, 2020 by Dark Shepherd

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

 

Interesting. Although I think that it's more likely that the one off models that have no standalone release like the HQ's [Lord of Contagion, Prim Ancient etc] will get their monopose release and the rest of it will be quietly retired.

 

I really doubt that - all of the Dark Imperium models are on shared sprues. It's not like Shadowspear where the Librarian and Captain were on separate sprues, designed from the start to be split off on their own.

 

Beyond that, the Ancient, Gravis Captain, Lieutenants (and all of the DI Marines for that matter) - because they're monopose, they don't allow for chapter-specific shoulder pads to be swapped in. GW has been very careful to make all of their individually-sold Primaris characters easy to modify with chapter pads. It's not a problem with that Phobos Captain and Librarian because there are no chapter pads for those Phobos-style pauldrons.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Lord Nord

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

NM - found the post I was thinking of in a different thread. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Lord Nord

[ThePenitentOne]

I think the reason they are emphasizing sisters is that ours was the last dex to drop, so we are likely to feel most shafted by a new edition, and they didn't want us to feel shafted.

 

I also think sisters are probably selling better than a lot of other factions.

[Halandaar]

Not much use comparing it to Dark Imperium in terms of price; £95 at launch but that was three years ago, and Shadowspear established the new baseline price for a box of single-pose models at £105 (without a hardback rulebook). I could easily see this launching at £110 or even £120.

 

As for dates, if it follows the trajectory of 8th Edition's reveal and launch, we're looking at pre-orders on the first weekend of July.

[RikuEru]

I think the reason they are emphasizing sisters is that ours was the last dex to drop, so we are likely to feel most shafted by a new edition, and they didn't want us to feel shafted.

 

I also think sisters are probably selling better than a lot of other factions.

Probably that.

And as dumb as it might sound, but the simple fact of showing "Yea, Susy, if you want to play kickass girls in armor, YOU CAN!"

 

...BUT, what I'd like to see would be 3 Half-Starter-Boxes. (And maybe more added later!?)

 

So each Box has Mono-pose, almost Push-Fit Models a la Dark Imperium/Shadowspear Models for ONE FACTION.

And a basic Rulebook, a faction specific rulebook with flavour texts, a ruler, dice (maybe atleast coloured to fit your faction!?).

Would the contents of the limited Edition Sisters of Battle Box add up to what the Marines and Necrons bring? Because those could be used for a more generic 9th Edirion SoB Starterbox!?

 

So little Jim wants Marines and bob eants Necrons. Both can grab their specific box and bash their heads ingame.

But little Susy wants Necrons too. So she gets the Necron-Halfbox and paints her own dynasty and play against Jim, but also her Brother Bob.

Meanwhile Edward wants Sisters of Battle. So he grabs that one - and so on.

 

That way both beginners end up with their own basic rulebook, etc.

 

I know this would be kind of a shift in GW marketing.

But maybe Start Collecting Boxes become more of a "Expand your Forces Box".

 

And I doubt it would cut profits that much.

I surely would have bought two Marine halves of Dark Imperium (and I kinda bought some of it via ebay).

I bet many Necron players would buy atleast 2 Necron Halves anyway, to have 2 of the new units and walkers - and convert the characters.