Tokugawa Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Why vanvet units need lieutenant? Their current staple weapon is lighting claw, which reroll wound rolls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) Why vanvet units need lieutenant? Their current staple weapon is lighting claw, which reroll wound rolls.yeah a capi would be far more useful I think your listlackd antihorde so I would swap the plasma for a heavy onslaught and throw in some intercessors Edited January 27, 2022 by noigrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I'd have thought Jump chappy more useful. Also, I hear you on the LRC front. I really wish people would stop insisting that newbies have to buy them or not be 'proper' Black Templars. It's so poor in game that it's just making people waste money on something that just isn't fun. I hate that that is true btw, but acceptance is the first step. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I'd have thought Jump chappy more useful. Also, I hear you on the LRC front. I really wish people would stop insisting that newbies have to buy them or not be 'proper' Black Templars. It's so poor in game that it's just making people waste money on something that just isn't fun. I hate that that is true btw, but acceptance is the first step. Are BT community that poisonous in your country/area? Sad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 It's not a local thing. It's everywhere. Look at any post in the larger Facebook groups about what a 'fluffy' BT army is, and they all invariably say LRCs are needed. A theory of mine is that one of the big downsides about not having any new BT books for 4.5 editions was there was no update as to what a classic BT army was. The perception got stuck in 4th ed mode. I'm hoping that the supplement, and future supplements will stop this idea. Lord Blackwood 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 It's not a local thing. It's everywhere. Look at any post in the larger Facebook groups about what a 'fluffy' BT army is, and they all invariably say LRCs are needed. A theory of mine is that one of the big downsides about not having any new BT books for 4.5 editions was there was no update as to what a classic BT army was. The perception got stuck in 4th ed mode. I'm hoping that the supplement, and future supplements will stop this idea. >LoL i haven't got a land raider in my life Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I don't have one, also. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) I'm a strange one since I didn't even have LRC's in my old classic non-primaris crusade (instead having 2 spartans...) With my primaris crusade I have no reason to get anything with Land Raider in the name, though the situation with the primaris hover bricks isn't exactly ideal either. Edited January 27, 2022 by Reinhard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 My BT army is 100% Primaris (barring one relic contemptor dread with twin volkite helverins), so that, combined with the fact they are hot garbage, = there's not a chance in hell I would ever waste money or points on Land Raiders. I have two LR's (one crusader, one redeemer) for my Iron Hands, which is about the only chapter that even has a chance at making them work. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Why vanvet units need lieutenant? Their current staple weapon is lighting claw, which reroll wound rolls. because my to wound rolls are freaking abysmal no matter what dice I use, and I need something to spread it out among the army including dreads, crusaders, attack bikes ect. I also already got a captain and chaplain. Also taking Thunderhammers and the Fist of Balthas and would like them to wound with my abysmal rolls The problem with the LRC is that it's not even that good at anti-infantry, at least against orks! it's still only str 4, and as I said my wound rolls are harsh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 primaris are good antihorde but lack cheap antitank change my mind Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 so... how does master of arms work exactly? I thought it meant got to fight at the same time as charging units, but now I am not so sure. The rules only say that charging units fight first, while the WLT says I fight at the start.Does this mean that I will be able to take my swings before charging units because I fight at the start? if I have him and another unit charge, does it mean he fights first before anyone else and then I get to pick a unit as well to swing first? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 so... how does master of arms work exactly? I thought it meant got to fight at the same time as charging units, but now I am not so sure. The rules only say that charging units fight first, while the WLT says I fight at the start. Does this mean that I will be able to take my swings before charging units because I fight at the start? if I have him and another unit charge, does it mean he fights first before anyone else and then I get to pick a unit as well to swing first? It means that he fights at the same time as chargers or other fight first abilities. So it means that if he charges 2 of your units and your Master of Arms is one of them, he can pick one unit to fight with before it's the Master of Arms' turn. All "fight first" abilities mean the same thing, but you still have to follow the sequence of simultaneous fighting. Brother Kraskor and Tiger9gamer 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) primaris are good antihorde but lack cheap antitank change my mind Eradicators say hello? 135 for 6 melta shots... 190 pts. gets you 12 T5, 3+, wounds and 10 melta shots ((3 melta rifles + 1 multmelta)x2) ~ same price gets you 10 T4, 3+ wounds and 10 melta shots (4 multi-melta + arm cher) from a devastator squad. Also gets signum. Pretty close to same offensive output. Devs can go in Drop Pod, but Erads are more durable off the starting line. Edited January 27, 2022 by 9x19 Parabellum BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 so... how does master of arms work exactly? I thought it meant got to fight at the same time as charging units, but now I am not so sure. The rules only say that charging units fight first, while the WLT says I fight at the start. Does this mean that I will be able to take my swings before charging units because I fight at the start? if I have him and another unit charge, does it mean he fights first before anyone else and then I get to pick a unit as well to swing first? It means that he fights at the same time as chargers or other fight first abilities. So it means that if he charges 2 of your units and your Master of Arms is one of them, he can pick one unit to fight with before it's the Master of Arms' turn. All "fight first" abilities mean the same thing, but you still have to follow the sequence of simultaneous fighting. ah got it, Thanks! I was worried I was cheating myself out of stuff. still, like to take it on my TH/SS captain, if only to have that extra swing, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5789837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 ++ NEW INTEL RECIEVED ++ ++ ASTROPATHIC CHANNEL RESONANCE OPTIMAL ++++ IMAGE ENHANCEMENT SECURITY LEVEL OMEGA ++ A Black Templar recruitment world in the folds of a warp channel in Nachmund?!?! A CRUSADING WE SHALL GO!!!! redmapa, Marshal Reinhard, Tiger9gamer and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5790468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I need a Crusader Squad Kill Team!!! TheOneTrueZon, SirJyo and CastellanDeMolay 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5790470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Sword brethren where it's at Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5790852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Sword brethren where it's at I wanna agree, but now that I'm building the kit I'm a bit surprised that I don't like most of the poses. I feel confident cutting/reposing/using parts from crusader kit and such, but as cool as the sculpts are, the poses are less impressive. Rules aside, I don't care, rule of cool and then counts-as whatever loadout I want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5790858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) Alright, hopefully going to be playing a ladder league game today, and hopefully my bad luck is over. I would love to have my guys actually wound things after all...Going to play with one of my modified lists. TH/SS Tanhauser captainLieutenant w/ jump pack and LC w/ crusader helmBike chappy w/ Wise Orator and adamantine mantleCrusader squad w/ Bones of mordred on x2 LC SBCrusader squad w/ x2 power swords and chainswordsCrusader squad w/ x2 power axes and chainswordsCrusader Squad w/ chainswordsRedemptor dread w/ plasma, onslaught and icarusVenerable dread w/ MMx10 vvets w/ LCs, THs, SS, Fist of Belthas and Jump packsx2 attack bikes with Multi-meltasVindicator w/ Siege shieldx2 rhinosand either a Lascannon razorback or a MM Typhoon speeder.All tanks and all able to fufill the theme of an armored column Edited January 29, 2022 by Tiger9gamer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5790890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJyo Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I need a Crusader Squad Kill Team!!! This! Assault intercessors teams are boring! Sete 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5790908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share Posted January 30, 2022 LVO shows bad results for all Space Marines. IH + Dark Angels + SW and BT seem to be the best but not even close to A-Tier Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5790986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofSigismund Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Yeah I’ve been watching it too, I’m sure we will get points increases needlessly just cause people hate marines next data slate regardless of tournament results. BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5791019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 LVO Swiss rounds finished. No marine players entered top8. There are 27 BT players in total,1 got 5-1 and 5 got 4-2. Here is the 5-1 list. Worth to notice, he get 500 VPs in his 5 victory games. ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Black Templars) [108 PL, 1,999pts, 9CP] ++ + Configuration + Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Chapter Selection: Black Templars Detachment Command Cost + Stratagems + Strategem: Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics + HQ + Chaplain Grimaldus [7 PL, 140pts]: 1. Litany of Divine Protection, 4. Fires of Devotion, Epitome of Piety, Litany of Hate, Warlord High Marshal Helbrecht [8 PL, 160pts] Primaris Chaplain [5 PL, 85pts]: 6. Canticle of Hate (Aura), Litany of Hate, The Crusader's Helm + Troops + Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts] . 4x Incursor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades . Incursor Sergeant Primaris Crusader Squad [20 PL, 247pts]: Bolt Pistol and Astartes Chainsword . 5x Primaris Initiate w/Chainsword & Heavy Bolt Pistol: 5x Astartes Chainsword, 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol . 8x Primaris Neophytes: 8x Frag & Krak grenades . Primaris Sword Brother: Heavy Bolt Pistol, Power sword Primaris Crusader Squad [20 PL, 247pts]: Bolt Pistol and Astartes Chainsword . 5x Primaris Initiate w/Chainsword & Heavy Bolt Pistol: 5x Astartes Chainsword, 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol . 8x Primaris Neophytes: 8x Frag & Krak grenades . Primaris Sword Brother: Heavy Bolt Pistol, Power sword + Elites + Primaris Apothecary [5 PL, 115pts, -1CP]: Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, The Aurillian Shroud Servitors [2 PL, 30pts]: 4x Servo-arm + Fast Attack + Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 180pts] . Attack Bike: Multi-melta . Attack Bike: Multi-melta . Attack Bike: Multi-melta Inceptor Squad [15 PL, 375pts]: Icon of Heinmann, 5x Inceptor, Inceptor Sergeant, Plasma Exterminator x2 + Heavy Support + Eradicator Squad [15 PL, 315pts, -1CP]: Heavy melta rifle, The Crux Obsidian . 5x Eradicator: 5x Bolt pistol . Eradicator Sgt: Stratagem: Champion of the Feast ++ Total: [108 PL, 1,999pts, 9CP] ++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5791021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) man, what difference 55 points make! I picked up my Leviathan today and used that instead of my LRC straight away in a game against admech. That thing is a damn monster! killed 6 breaches, a plane, a ranger squad, a robot and a dominus. that thing is pretty good, and probably will remain a mainstay for a few more games. Unfortunately the odd ones out this game were my rhino crusaders, my venerable dread, and my poor, poor vindicator... Also holy crap is oath of moments a good secondary. Edited January 30, 2022 by Tiger9gamer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/104/#findComment-5791022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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