Prediction on 9th & how it will affect DA

[Wrath of Bruinen]

 

 

 

 

ephreal stern seems like an ideal tech in unit for matches against chaos demons the deathwing sort of form a security detail around stern allowing certain key targets to pass through and then stern puts them on blast with her outlandish damage output vs chaos

Yeah and over in the Sister forum they are talking about including Cypher in a list with her so that she is always getting her 3+ / 7+ Smite vs everyone.

Wait, what?

So much heresy, I love it.

 

Stern’s “smite in the shooting phase” gets a +2 to “cast” if there’s a chaos unit nearby. Because cypher has the imperium and chaos keywords, you can legally take him in an army with stern, but still use his chaos keyword to power up her smite.

 

Will probably be FAQ’d like how you can’t use cypher to summon daemons in an imperium army

Edited June 27, 2020 by TheWeepingAngel

[jaxom]

I'm just imagining one of those scenes where both characters are saying the same thing.

 

"Who are you?" "Who are you?"

 

"I am the one destined to either doom the Imperium or save it!" "I am the one destined to either doom the Imperium or save it!"

 

"What? No, I am!" "What? No, I am!"

 

"Jinx! You owe me a corpse-coke!" "Jinx! You owe me a corpse-coke!"
 

[aura_enchanted]

 

 

 

ephreal stern seems like an ideal tech in unit for matches against chaos demons the deathwing sort of form a security detail around stern allowing certain key targets to pass through and then stern puts them on blast with her outlandish damage output vs chaos

Yeah and over in the Sister forum they are talking about including Cypher in a list with her so that she is always getting her 3+ / 7+ Smite vs everyone.

Wait, what?

So much heresy, I love it.

 

Stern’s “smite in the shooting phase” gets a +2 to “cast” if there’s a chaos unit nearby. Because cypher has the imperium and chaos keywords, you can legally take him in an army with stern, but still use his chaos keyword to power up her smite.

 

Will probably be FAQ’d like how you can’t use cypher to summon daemons in an imperium army

 

basically my idea is to screen her with terminators and intercessors to try and guarantee the model you want is getting the attention, if stern weighs in deathwing and stern can work togeather to do a lot of damage v chaos. if you are not against chaos this is still a good combination it makes her more efficient.

 

cypher + stern does seem really good though

[Isual]

Do you think we get our own faction focus? Since the Space Marine one featured TFC there could be a chance.

[G8Keeper]

Do you think we get our own faction focus? Since the Space Marine one featured TFC there could be a chance.

Probably yeah. I think GW wants to use them to introduce new players to te factions, which is slightly strange as the Indomitus set is touted as NOT being a starter set but for vets instead. I would expect maybe a core rule to be teased in it as well as a small focus on probably Deathwing and Black Knights.

[WrathOfTheLion]

I think perhaps they are for relatively new players, trying to get them to expand to a second army.

 

They might do SW, BA, DA and DW closer to the box release, to market those as sort of an expansion for those newish players to a separate codex chapter from their expected entry (UM, etc.)

Edited June 29, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion

[G8Keeper]

So if you deploy them we have 30" Melta weapons that fire twice at the same target on turn 1 in the form of Eradicators.

[Isual]

So if you deploy them we have 30" Melta weapons that fire twice at the same target on turn 1 in the form of Eradicators.

 

27" since they are assault weapons.

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Isual

[G8Keeper]

For some reason it was ingrained in my very soul that they were rapid fire haha.

[Berzul]

Am I alone here in thinking that these guys are a design mistake on the part of GW?

 

... These guys are, in effect, Twin Assault Multimeltas.

 

Isn't that too much?

[jaxom]

Eh, I don’t think we can tell yet. Melta weapons have been the most swing-y, hardest to position anti-tank/anti-monster weapon of 8th edition. Being assault helps with getting them into range, but they’ll be getting -1 to hit. If one can pull off getting them within 12” while preserving the re-rolls it’ll be nice.

[G8Keeper]

Eh, I don’t think we can tell yet. Melta weapons have been the most swing-y, hardest to position anti-tank/anti-monster weapon of 8th edition. Being assault helps with getting them into range, but they’ll be getting -1 to hit. If one can pull off getting them within 12” while preserving the re-rolls it’ll be nice.

I think I'll be using them to outflank from reserves. It'll at least force my opponent to make a decision.

[ValourousHeart]

 

So if you deploy them we have 30" Melta weapons that fire twice at the same target on turn 1 in the form of Eradicators.

 

27" since they are assault weapons.

 

 

 

Well its a 5 inch move, followed by a d6 advance, a 24 (or 12) inch gun range, plus 3 inches for our chapter tactic.  So 33 to 38 inch max range or 21 to 26 inch melta damage range.

 

 

Am I alone here in thinking that these guys are a design mistake on the part of GW?

 

... These guys are, in effect, Twin Assault Multimeltas.

 

Isn't that too much?

 

Not really, especially if this unit stays at 3 models.  It is pretty well in line with Executioners and Suppressor, given the weapons each unit is carrying.  The units that are the most out of line are units like Inceptors and Aggressors.  If Inceptors had 1 heavy bolter they would line up with these other units, but no they get 2 heavy bolters.  

[Grand Master Raziel]

Am I alone here in thinking that these guys are a design mistake on the part of GW?

 

... These guys are, in effect, Twin Assault Multimeltas.

 

Isn't that too much?

They're in Gravis armor, so they're either on foot or in a Repulsor. There's no in-between. If they could fit in an Impulsor, they might be a bit much, but no can has.

[Herbington]

What are your thoughts on the new coherency rules?

 

I don't suppose there are many DA units for which they will cause much grief - will have to be more careful with larger Knight units?

[Berzul]

I think this will take Ork and Tyranid players some getting used to. I do not expect these rules to affect any space marine chapter, much.

 

Primaris armies, specially, are small in squad size. With the increase in points, and by the logic of what has been released of the new models and upcoming units, I'd think at most we would see 10-man squads for hellblasters, but most other things in the 3-to-5 range. So, coherency should not be a change for us.

 

I have a tyranid friend who plays with 3 squads of max size gants. With blast rules and the new coherency rules, that is going to take some serious getting used to.

[Grand Master Raziel]

There aren't exactly a ton of Primaris units with the Blast rule, are there?

[Berzul]

I imagine you will have:

The plasma gun of the redemptor dreadnought and.... I think that's it, right?

[Brother Ramael]

I suspect the grenade launcher of the Intercessors will be, for one, possibly the launchers on Aggressors, even the cannons on Suppressors if they want to shake them up a bit

[Berzul]

Oh right, I had forgotten about those. Good call!

[Grand Master Raziel]

I figured the big plasma cannon on the Repulsor Executioner and on the Dread. Forgot about grenade launchers. Not like the OldMarine days though, with missile launchers, Whirlwinds, and Vindicators though. Dev Squads with 4 MLs used to be a staple in my lists.

[Berzul]

I think it was said that Frag weapons (such as Frag Missiles) would not be blast. But I cannot recall where I read this.

[Brother Ramael]

I think it was said that Frag weapons (such as Frag Missiles) would not be blast. But I cannot recall where I read this.

I believe they meant the vehicle mounted ones, since it would kill their role as "point defense" weapons

[Chaos Lord Tom]

It seems that the Vengeance plasma battery will get the blast rule. Not very surprising, hope they change the overcharge rule. and it may have a place horde thinning.

 

https://imgur.com/a/1oDiCIB

Edited July 1, 2020 by Chaos Lord Tom

[Angel of Solitude]

For horde thinning, your 2d6 Typhoon Missile Launchers with 54” range turn one are going to do some hefty damage to 10+ model units. I want to see how Talonmasters interact with the new terrain and cover rules.