BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Here is what I’m thinking of for my new core: 2x 5 Assault Intercessor - Impulsor with Shield Dome Judicar Blade guard - Impulsor with Shield Dome Indomitus Captain Indomitus Lieutenant Outriders Primaris Chaplain on Bike Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel_danes Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Looks solid, going to wreck in melee. What are you thinking of expansions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5564376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 Well I want to use our Primarch and some dreads - I think this type of list can utilize Guilliman well. I saw a batrep on TTT using a similar list and it totally wrecked face. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5564377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulinus Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Would using Intercessors with auto bolters or just regular bolt rifles not be better? You can get a TH or PF in there, make them into vets and get just as many attacks in and be more deadly. I’m planning on using assault Intercessors with my Flesh Tearer list but I think they are subpar with ultramarines compared with other options. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5564735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arctic Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Well I want to use our Primarch and some dreads - I think this type of list can utilize Guilliman well. I saw a batrep on TTT using a similar list and it totally wrecked face. Have you got a link to the batrep? I looked but couldn't find it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5564817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 It’s on YT. I am assuming assault intercessor sergeants will get access to hammers when they are separately released . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5564827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I do know that in my test games with White Scars I used the Assault Intercessors. I only found them valid once the T3 super doctrine kicked in. As Ultramarines, I'm not sure I'd use them... I mean they're good, but I almost wonder if that 15-24" kill zone isn't the best spot to be at with Ultra. I really like the Eradicators for Ultra. I'll be testing those out tonight. It's just too bad all the Elites got hit so hard with point increases. (Some of my favourite models are in the elites.) Paulinus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5565225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspecti Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Speaking of elites... I'm gonna give Terminators some serious thought. I also have 10 Cataphractii and 5 Tartaros terminators kicking around :) Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5565257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 In a world of increased points, the Catapharactii could really have merit imho. I haven't tried them as most of my army is Primaris, but I've been very consumed with keeping objectives longer in 9th. Don't undervalue a few of these models that someone has to 'waste' a lot of effort on removing. I'm sure Death Guard will be using their Cataphractii now. I would think the Ultra Cataphractii could become an excellent screen killer in the absence of a TFC, and a better way to 'bully' the center of the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5565261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 I’ll definitely be using my Cataprachti ! Captain Idaho 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5565296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arctic Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 It’s on YT. I am assuming assault intercessor sergeants will get access to hammers when they are separately released . That's where I looked and couldn't find it, hence the request for the link. Thanks in advance. Since I can't play any games i quite like watching them! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5565344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Let me look for ya ! Here ya go ... https://youtu.be/blKv2JJ-N6I Edited July 17, 2020 by Black Blow Fly arctic 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5565554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyterran Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Cataphractiis with a combibolter and power fist are still 39 a pop, which is a bit of a tough pill to swallow. (26+3+10) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5568230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Regarding the OP; a build that will be strong this edition will be Grav-cannon Devastators. There's almost nothing that will compete with these killing machines in a Marine list, with Ultramarines being kings in this regard thanks to our ways of getting re-rolls on units across the board. Cataphractii for me will find a place, though likely now inside a Land Raider Crusader from time to time as well as teleporting in. They seem like a great way to push someone off of an objective then hold it for a while and score points. Company Veterans might be mandatory for folk now for cheap character defence, though the Storm Bolters going up in points makes them difficult to make cost effective now. I need to experiment there. Cruor Vault 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5568291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Regarding the OP; a build that will be strong this edition will be Grav-cannon Devastators. There's almost nothing that will compete with these killing machines in a Marine list, with Ultramarines being kings in this regard thanks to our ways of getting re-rolls on units across the board. Cataphractii for me will find a place, though likely now inside a Land Raider Crusader from time to time as well as teleporting in. They seem like a great way to push someone off of an objective then hold it for a while and score points. Company Veterans might be mandatory for folk now for cheap character defence, though the Storm Bolters going up in points makes them difficult to make cost effective now. I need to experiment there. Dev Grav drop pod is certainly looking 'good' going into 9th. I will continue to use them if I keep playing UM.... in my test games they were point for point, very efficient. It's the UM 'don't counts as moving' tactical trait that makes a difference too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5568339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspecti Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I'm still probably going to be using scout bikes and a captain on bike with the relic storm bolter, maybe accompanied by a lieutenant with a jump pack. Drop pod devastators could / should be easy to position so that they'd benefit from bike captain's and lieutenant's auras. Maybe add a squad of outriders to better screen the captain and lieutenant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5568687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 I’m certain there will be other primaris hq on bikes coming. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5568689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 How many UM players will invest in a few bike type characters? I know it makes sense for other chapters, but the UM special characters are such a huge draw still. I know in my own games, I have trouble shifting off of Cassius, Calgar, and especially Tigurius. I know not everyone uses special characters, but UM has some of the best. It will be interesting to see how many players go for biker speed over reliable, great characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5568810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 I’ll prolly use biker HQ for my Templar army but not Smurfs. For me Tiggy is an auto include. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5568894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) How many UM players will invest in a few bike type characters? I know it makes sense for other chapters, but the UM special characters are such a huge draw still. I know in my own games, I have trouble shifting off of Cassius, Calgar, and especially Tigurius. I know not everyone uses special characters, but UM has some of the best. It will be interesting to see how many players go for biker speed over reliable, great characters. I've had great success in 8th with the Paragon Biker build for a Captain. Storm Bolter upgraded to the Vengeance of Ultramar Relic and the Paragon of War Warlord Trait, with a close combat weapon of note. I usually go for the Power Fist because it is hard hitting and cheap on a character, plus more realistic in my brain since he use that arm to help ride the bike! The dude strikes with 12 shots a turn, 8 of which re-rolls to wounds against all non-vehicles, all of which benefit from the Tactical Doctrine and all of which cause an additional Mortal Wound on wound rolls of a 6. Being able to transfer your Captain around the table with such a hard hitting potential will be crucial in 9th and I think certainly one of the most powerful builds for any Captain in the game. Regarding Tigurius... it's hard to NOT use him! He is very effective for relatively cheap. However, a stock Librarian is only 88pts (42pts is a fairly large difference) and with characters getting killed much more easily, I suspect Tigurius will be target No. 1. Ultimately, my ordinary Librarian is cheaper by so many points that I don't mind putting him in a more exposed position for a Smite. I'll still make use of him in many of my games. I think Librarians in Terminator armour could be quite useful though. They can drop in with your Terminators to attack an objective, use Smite to back them up and even Veil of Time to help get them into assault the turn they Teleport. He's very survivable too. Edited July 23, 2020 by Captain Idaho Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5568946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 Terminator Librarians are also more resilient and a good choice if you decide not to use Tiggy . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5569298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Regarding the OP; a build that will be strong this edition will be Grav-cannon Devastators. There's almost nothing that will compete with these killing machines in a Marine list, with Ultramarines being kings in this regard thanks to our ways of getting re-rolls on units across the board. Cataphractii for me will find a place, though likely now inside a Land Raider Crusader from time to time as well as teleporting in. They seem like a great way to push someone off of an objective then hold it for a while and score points. Company Veterans might be mandatory for folk now for cheap character defence, though the Storm Bolters going up in points makes them difficult to make cost effective now. I need to experiment there. So hang on a minute... Cataphractii could be good now? I mean, I've always preferred the rule of cool to the newest meta hotness (I'm still buying Oldmarines even now) but Cataphractii? They were always too slow and overcosted and fell far too easily to the ubiquitous D2 weaponry that tried to counter Primaris. Seriously... what changed? I got a box in the mail yesterday. Good timing, I guess? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5569837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 “So hang on a minute... Cataphractii could be good now?” Even the band wagon youtubers are jumping on the bus now ... it’s so amazing rite ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5569903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel_danes Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Got 10 of them. With Cpt. to lead them. 5 with fists, 5 with chainfists, all dual bolters. I guess I'm the cool kid now? BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5569959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 You are already cool. mel_danes 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365186-ninth-edition-builds/#findComment-5569969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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