Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Honestly as we have such a close but unique replacement Id prefer that we didnt get Stormravens, but they seem like theyre really trying to streamline things now That said I would agree on not buying newly unlocked units until our codex comes out Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 This isn't the first time we had access to storm ravens in a preview. The article suggested air lifting bjorn i think and we went wild. It was quickly removed last time. That is why we suggest waiting again. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 I thought there was a list of SW excluded models, so it wouldn't be in every keyword. We need to see that list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) There is a list. Will post it again here. From the leaks yesterday, from an imgur dump they posted: Edited October 3, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 This isn't the first time we had access to storm ravens in a preview. The article suggested air lifting bjorn i think and we went wild. It was quickly removed last time. That is why we suggest waiting again. Last time was a warcom article written by a space wolves player Id attach more weight to this being a codex Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) That pages also shows the mechanics for successor chapters, with Space Wolves in mention as well, so that naturally is allowed in the rules. We'll see if they give some art/examples in the supplement, would be cool to see some Wolfspear. For fun, they should show the Wolf Brothers as well, that would be awesome. Edited October 3, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 It will be bittersweet for some if a Space Wolf successor chapter becomes super competitive Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 The main thing to see is if there's further restrictions in the Supplement. I kind of doubt it, that would be odd to me. Would be very bad for new folks to buy stuff based on that list, then buy the supplement just for something to be invalid again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) I bring points Wolf Lord on Bike 100 Primaris Techmarine 80 inc gear Biker Chaplain 115 Thunderhammers 20 WGT up 2 Gladiators Lancer 200 Reaper 230 Valiant 250 Edited October 4, 2020 by Dark Shepherd TiguriusX, Karhedron, WrathOfTheLion and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 im very curious if our wolf priests gain the 6+ fnp aura Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Those Gladiators look kinda pricey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightsword Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Potato quality pic of most points has popped up on Facebook here Ven dread 135pts Blizz shield 15 pts Great axe 10 pts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Ugh. So wargear is now pointed differently based on model/unit. For example, combi's are now either 5 or 10 pts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) Minimarine Iron Priest took a jump, Tempest Hammet is 20 but techmarines pay 15 for thunderhammer Hes 90 kitted out but Primaris is 80 Axe and Shield Ven dread 160 but going by reg Dreadnought points I can only see Wulfen dreads going up a very small amount Am way more optimistic about Wulfen wargear points now Edited October 4, 2020 by Dark Shepherd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar69 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 We seem to have lost the great wolf claw for dreads. Normal bikers get the blood claws keyword now. This means they now have bs 4 but lost beserk charge and WGPL Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 We seem to have lost the great wolf claw for dreads. Normal bikers get the blood claws keyword now. This means they now have bs 4 but lost beserk charge and WGPL Theyll revert to swift claws in codex Might just be great wolf claw is same points as dreadnought combat weapon Relevant nerf for us is Judiciar's tempormortis range is down to 3' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havok13 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Any new hellfrost rule as I believe it is listed as an option for dreadnought and ven dreadnought? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Any new hellfrost rule as I believe it is listed as an option for dreadnought and ven dreadnought? Someone else said theres no mortal wound mechanic listed for it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havok13 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Any new hellfrost rule as I believe it is listed as an option for dreadnought and ven dreadnought?Someone else said theres no mortal wound mechanic listed for it Do we have stats? Where the datasheets correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) Any new hellfrost rule as I believe it is listed as an option for dreadnought and ven dreadnought?Someone else said theres no mortal wound mechanic listed for itDo we have stats? Where the datasheets correct.I went looking Theres no datasheet entry for Helfrsot cannon but it is a points option Great Wolf Claw listed for both dreads and ven dreads Looking at strats 2cp for an assault intercessor squad to fight again is a dark horse with some astacks bonuses and a sergeant with power fist or thunder hammer 1 + 1cp to give Outrider squad minus one to hit and ignore wound rolls of 1-3 is quite good and increases their tarpit/distraction carnifex value Invictors lose their pistol ability for heavy bolter Edited October 4, 2020 by Dark Shepherd Havok13 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar69 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 I tried to calculate the cost of my mixed weapons terminator squad with the points values of the assault and normal terminator squad. It actually came out 5 points cheaper. So termis get an additional wound without a points increase. That's really solid Dark Shepherd, Filius and Karhedron 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) Something I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere; 'Hero of the Chapter' from 'Crusade' is now a strategem for other versions of play. We can give a Saga 'warlord trait' to almost all of our heroes for 1cp per after the warlord. Also, 'Hammer of wrath' has been changed so the dice roll is 'higher than enemy toughness'. I can potentially see large squads of blood claws going nuts with this doing an average of five mortal wounds on top of their normal damage for 1cp. Edited October 4, 2020 by CrystalSeer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Something I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere; 'Hero of the Chapter' from 'Crusade' is now a strategem for other versions of play. We can give a Saga 'warlord trait' to almost all of our heroes for 1cp per after the warlord. Also, 'Hammer of wrath' has been changed so the dice roll is 'higher than enemy toughness'. I can potentially see large squads of blood claws going nuts with this doing an average of five mortal wounds on top of their normal damage for 1cp. Yeah it was already a strat in Saga of the Beast. In a 2k game you can play it and Relic of the Chapter twice so for the cost of 4cp your army would have 3 warlord traits and 3 relics Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) imho, I hope our saga's get a rework ( in form and functionality ). - make them all great, not just 1-2 im not going to hold my breath Edited October 4, 2020 by Triszin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 imho, I hope our saga's get a rework ( in form and functionality ). - make them all great, not just 1-2 im not going to hold my breath Youre a glutton for punishment :) Id rather straight up traits instead of bonuses that generally rarely happen Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365884-things-are-looking-up/page/10/#findComment-5611845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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