Things are Looking Up...

[Ragnar69]

 

We just have to hope that we keep our options and rules for GHs, BCs, LFs and WG. It could be possible that we just get a sentence like 'Space wolves call their tactical squads Grey Hunters' and have to use the tactical datasheet....

And I also hope that we get our supplement together with the codex and don't hang in limbo for a few months

It’s never been that way in the past when we operated off a supplement and essentially 0 models outside of heroes, they’re not gonna retract that now when there’s a huge unique range.

Yes, but it also has never been the case that GW might want to squat whole swathes of the marine range so I'm a bit more cautious than normal ;)

 

But I'm hopefull that we keep our cool stuff and already made lists with all old marines, assuming everyone except characters gets an extra wound and will cost 3 points more

[Dark Shepherd]

We're in ultra limbo.

Stalker pattern limbo.

 

I don't expect the supplements for da, ba, and sw until next year

Possibli

 

I have a feeling they were scheduled for early release to go with a summer marine codex. Hopefully theyll come in November, hopefully

[Guest Triszin]

 

We're in ultra limbo.

Stalker pattern limbo.

 

I don't expect the supplements for da, ba, and sw until next year

Possibli

 

I have a feeling they were scheduled for early release to go with a summer marine codex. Hopefully theyll come in November, hopefully

Marine codex isn't until oct.

[Raktra]

 

 

We just have to hope that we keep our options and rules for GHs, BCs, LFs and WG. It could be possible that we just get a sentence like 'Space wolves call their tactical squads Grey Hunters' and have to use the tactical datasheet....

And I also hope that we get our supplement together with the codex and don't hang in limbo for a few months

It’s never been that way in the past when we operated off a supplement and essentially 0 models outside of heroes, they’re not gonna retract that now when there’s a huge unique range.

Yes, but it also has never been the case that GW might want to squat whole swathes of the marine range so I'm a bit more cautious than normal ;)

 

But I'm hopefull that we keep our cool stuff and already made lists with all old marines, assuming everyone except characters gets an extra wound and will cost 3 points more

Aye but they’re not gonna remove chunks of the range when they’ve just hyped up all the buffs for them, otherwise they’ve wasted their own time and lost sales right off the bat.

[Karhedron]

They won't squat ranges that sell as it would be shooting themselves in the foot. The SW sprues are not that old and still sell well. They come with extra melee weapons and no heavy weapons so I think we will not be forced into using Tactical squads.

 

Marines have always been 40K's best sellers. This gives us a degree of protection from radical streamlining. We may lose oddments here and there such as buying Lone Wolves but I suspect our main unit choices will survive.

 

Worst case scenario we may not get Primaris equivalents to TWC and so forth but I doubt we will lose existing models.

[Ragnar69]

Yeah, surly there will be no squatting in this edition. But they might prepare for it by homogenising the range. 2w for old marines is also a step in this direction. At some point all differences between primaris and firstborn will be gone and the old kits not needed anymore.

 

What do you think about our fast attack choices? I think I would prefer Swift claws over Outriders or TWC. The smaller bases, ability to take a fist and hammer and the 3++ strat makes them really versatile

[Dark Shepherd]

 

Anyone else feel like we're temporarilyweirdly in limbo/a holding pattern/a phoney war/stuck in warp transit?

 

knowing the marine codex is 2 months away and ours not long after* plus the general lack of releases/news/rumours for a couple of weeks seems to have created a slight sense of the doldrums

 

Im only modelling for fun as list building seems pointless close to the codex/points and rules changes, but that means I have to wait and see for a few units/options

 

* hopefully

I've been working mainly on the units I KNOW I will always be taking.

 

Currently on the painting table is my 3rd (and final) Impulsor transport. Once that's done all I have left are 4 more wulfen models to paint and I'll have my main 40k list painted.

 

I'm also speedpainting an Eldar army too though. I'm in no huge rush to move onto the Wulfen and I'll wait to see how our codex treats them before I paint them. Hopefully shields get a points drop if they move to a 4++ save. :)

 

I will always see my taking 1 Wulfen squad in the future; they're so fast and can use line of sight perfectly because of their advance and charge. They can charge through ruins while thunderwolf calvary can't.

Yeah Im the same more or less

Made another Wulfen squad out of Indomitus and leftover Wulfen bits, scratchbuilt an ATV, going to Aliens up my Invictor, and biker gang the Outriders

 

Assault Inters, bladeguard, characters, rearming Terminators, eradicators, and start collecting Primaris can all wait :)

 

Trying to find a chair or seat or seated body to make a Bray Wyatt Eater of Worlds with the Tempormortis. Gave the Judiciar a Wulfen hand holding a skull instead

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I don't think we'll have a long wait between when the codex is released and the supplement. They released the first wave of supplements fairly quick, and they will want us to spend during the holidays.

[Karack Blackstone]

Until next winter.

 

Wait, winter starts in October this year?

 

Winter comes early this year!

[Dark Shepherd]

Until next winter.

 

Wait, winter starts in October this year?

 

Winter comes early this year!

Did last winter ever even end

[Raktra]

Holy crap guys we’re in Westeros.

[Karack Blackstone]

I'm pretty sure we never left.

 

SW's are rather winter themed, and Westeros came second.

 

[Karack Blackstone]

Back to the thread topic, I honestly would be seriously surprised if GW can derp hard enough to forget that Blood Claws wear power armor, have the 2nd Wound for Firstborn, and above all, as SM's in general need the full set of Astartes implants to wear said armor, they must, MUST mind you, get 2 Wounds base.

 

Points per model not withstanding, if GH's as they are in 8th style points were 14 points before the Astartes Chainsword, I'd figure BC's would be 12 ppm.

 

Still, that's just me, and we've now left as players, and payers, as customers, 8th behind for now.

 

The truly fun and scary part is that LRC BC deathstar just came back in spades. I don't expect that most people seeing a friggin' LRC with a 14 man BC pack, WGPL, and WP rolling up is going to be unchallenged in the shooting phase. Really brings Smoke Launchers into perspective; might be worth forgoing shooting that turn, still, options.

 

Just need front assault ramp back on SM rides for the models with them, and fairly points valued.

 

Tasty.

[jay170788]

Back to the thread topic, I honestly would be seriously surprised if GW can derp hard enough to forget that Blood Claws wear power armor, have the 2nd Wound for Firstborn, and above all, as SM's in general need the full set of Astartes implants to wear said armor, they must, MUST mind you, get 2 Wounds base.

 

Points per model not withstanding, if GH's as they are in 8th style points were 14 points before the Astartes Chainsword, I'd figure BC's would be 12 ppm.

 

Still, that's just me, and we've now left as players, and payers, as customers, 8th behind for now.

 

The truly fun and scary part is that LRC BC deathstar just came back in spades. I don't expect that most people seeing a friggin' LRC with a 14 man BC pack, WGPL, and WP rolling up is going to be unchallenged in the shooting phase. Really brings Smoke Launchers into perspective; might be worth forgoing shooting that turn, still, options.

 

Just need front assault ramp back on SM rides for the models with them, and fairly points valued.

 

Tasty.

 

I'm not sure why you are taking a Wolf Priest in that loadout as he isn't chanting until Turn 3 whereas these boys will be charging on Turn 2. I may just add the extra BC in. Or if you want to go overkill throw in a Wulfen Stone Lord. They kill a squad of 10 Primaris on average in turn 2 just with ACSwords. That's without the AP and exploding hits of turn 3 onwards. Then pop transhuman most likely next turn and the opponent is struggling to remove you from the centre-field with 28 wounds plus characters.

Edited September 2, 2020 by jay170788

[Vassakov]

Given the volume of Marine models to be released, I'd expect C:SM plus maybe 3 kits in October and then the BA/SW/DA supplements plus an additional kit over the following 6 weeks, taking us to mid-November/early-December depending on exactly when the new Marine Codex drops. We'd probably also see Codex Necrons around the same time and again, a few kits every couple of weeks leading up to Christmas.

 

Bearing in mind just going on previewed kits we have:

Firestrike Turret

Hammerfall Turret

Primaris Chaplain on Bike

Primaris Techmarine

Multipart Bladeguard kit

Gladiator

Invader ATV

 

Then likely a Heavy Intercessors kit and a new Captain kit based on the new Codex images, and I'd expect Assault Intercessors to get a full box release also. Could see the Outriders remaining as a starter box only unit though. No way they release all of that in one go, but splitting it up over a few weeks with the supplements makes sense to me.

[Guest Triszin]

That actually smart thinking.

 

Marine kit in oct.

W/ mostly everything in your list.

 

Then each supp gets another kit out.

 

Da supp

W/ storm speeder

 

Ba supp

W/ heavy ints

 

Sw supp

W/ nothing

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

 

 

Back to the thread topic, I honestly would be seriously surprised if GW can derp hard enough to forget that Blood Claws wear power armor, have the 2nd Wound for Firstborn, and above all, as SM's in general need the full set of Astartes implants to wear said armor, they must, MUST mind you, get 2 Wounds base.

 

Points per model not withstanding, if GH's as they are in 8th style points were 14 points before the Astartes Chainsword, I'd figure BC's would be 12 ppm.

 

Still, that's just me, and we've now left as players, and payers, as customers, 8th behind for now.

 

The truly fun and scary part is that LRC BC deathstar just came back in spades. I don't expect that most people seeing a friggin' LRC with a 14 man BC pack, WGPL, and WP rolling up is going to be unchallenged in the shooting phase. Really brings Smoke Launchers into perspective; might be worth forgoing shooting that turn, still, options.

 

Just need front assault ramp back on SM rides for the models with them, and fairly points valued.

 

Tasty.

I'm not sure why you are taking a Wolf Priest in that loadout as he isn't chanting until Turn 3 whereas these boys will be charging on Turn 2. I may just add the extra BC in. Or if you want to go overkill throw in a Wulfen Stone Lord. They kill a squad of 10 Primaris on average in turn 2 just with ACSwords. That's without the AP and exploding hits of turn 3 onwards. Then pop transhuman most likely next turn and the opponent is struggling to remove you from the centre-field with 28 wounds plus characters.

We should be getting the primaris wolf priest on a bike soon(new Chaplin kit) he actually would keep pace well, and increase the odds of getting multiple charges.

[Karhedron]

We should be getting the primaris wolf priest on a bike soon(new Chaplin kit) he actually would keep pace well, and increase the odds of getting multiple charges.

I see this guy becoming a staple in a lot of lists. I hope our version gets Healing Balms too.

[Vassakov]

That actually smart thinking.

 

Marine kit in oct.

W/ mostly everything in your list.

 

Then each supp gets another kit out.

 

Da supp

W/ storm speeder

 

Ba supp

W/ heavy ints

 

Sw supp

W/ nothing

 

I would hope at least we get Ragnar as a separate release from Prophecy of the Wolf!

[Karhedron]

There is also the forthcoming heavy landspeeder that was in the leaked photo. It seems to have some kind of rocket launcher on top as well as fins so i am pretty sure it is not the Gladiator (which we already know about).

 

Basically GW can fill most of their release schedule with Marines from now until Christmas just with what we already know is coming. Then there are the known Necron releases (as well as a few we probably haven't seen yet).

[Dark Shepherd]

 

We should be getting the primaris wolf priest on a bike soon(new Chaplin kit) he actually would keep pace well, and increase the odds of getting multiple charges.

I see this guy becoming a staple in a lot of lists. I hope our version gets Healing Balms too.

Cant see why he wouldnt

 

Canticle of hate would be really good on him to use as a beatstick. Thats before any relic or warlord trait shenanigans

[Guest Triszin]

There is also the forthcoming heavy landspeeder that was in the leaked photo. It seems to have some kind of rocket launcher on top as well as fins so i am pretty sure it is not the Gladiator (which we already know about).

 

Basically GW can fill most of their release schedule with Marines from now until Christmas just with what we already know is coming. Then there are the known Necron releases (as well as a few we probably haven't seen yet).

It's name is the storm speeder hellstrike//variant 2// variant 3

[Karack Blackstone]

Codex preview should prove interesting.

 

Hopefully it at least provides some idea of the formatting and layout of the core SM Codex, let alone any idea of a possible Supplement release schedule.

 

That, or later this week, maybe into next week.

 

Being September, if they release it early in the month, it'd let the rest be filled in by a rapid fire release of Codex and 2 Supplements, then next week 2 more, followed by 2 more, etc.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

They said October so my bet is marine or necrons goes up for pre order the last weekend in September. So far they've only mentioned supplements for SW, DA, BA and Deathwatch. So I'm hoping we have ours by the second week in November at the latest (probably setting myself up for disappointment but oh well)

[Karack Blackstone]

Naw, just, it's more that without knowing yet, the 8th SM Codex, second, and then the Supplements were at initial Codex and two Supp's, then two more, then two more, and so on.

 

We don't know yet as customers if the C:SM + 2 Supp's will include the second SM Codex release range from 8th yet, as those all were rather interesting, and may alter the planned release schedule.

 

If I choose to guess, and I do, I Figure it'd be:

 

Codex: Space Marines

1 Codex Compliant Supplement

1 Special (SW, BA, DA, etc.) Supplement

 

One or two weeks later, one more pair of Supplements, as above

 

Same again, repeating until all the various Supplements are released.