Which DA hero would you like to see cross the Rubicon?

[jaxom]

 

What gets updated when feels so utterly arbitrary that I strongly suspect that what gets updated has so much more to do with the whims of the design team than anything else. 

 

That's kind of the funny thing about special characters; reminds me team-based comic books. You'll have some writers insisting it's not the X-ers if Y isn't on the team while other writers are like, "I'll only write the X-ers if I can include Z."

[Helias_Tancred]

Ezekiel. 

[Fulcherius]

Azrael would be awesome, or another grand master, as well as the boss of the two wings, as the DA needs strong people to steer them in the right direction.

 

That said, maybe Big Boss himself is coming, who knows ? (One can hope)

[Volt]

Kill off Asmodai as the first marine to finally bite it from the Rubicon and give Sapphon a model already.

[Aeri]

As much as I hate the thought:

I think the existence of Lazarus means Azrael is not gonna make the cut and will probably die soon.

The two are just soooo similar.

 

I really hope we will get a Primaris Belial alongside some real primaris terminators. The thought of aggressors being he's take on terminators makes me shiver, as I hate the models and they don't fit the Deathwing teleport theme.

Some nice looking "Primaris Terminators" alongside "Primaris Deathwing Knights" would be awesome.

 

Sammael might be nice, but I don't mind using a Primaris chaplain on bike for now.

[Chaplain Lucifer]

Azrael if we can only have one, Zeke if we can have two, all if we can have all...

 

I would love to see a new Azrael sculpt!

[Malakithe]

All of them. Primaris everything so we can finally move on. The inevitable is coming and id rather they just rip off the band-aid 

[templarphoenix]

Dont care.

I will run firstborn ravenwing/deathwing for now, primaris are too bland for me.

[jaxom]

Dont care.

I will run firstborn ravenwing/deathwing for now, primaris are too bland for me.

 

I think that's an excellent point. What would any new lore in the supplement have to achieve in order to remove any Primaris blandness?

[WrathOfTheLion]

Primaris Watchers in the Dark.

 

Make it happen.

 

Much taller, like Nazgul, with swords.

Edited October 11, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion

[Interrogator Stobz]

None, just new sculpts for all.

None, just new sculpts for all.

[Ishagu]

None, just new sculpts for all.

None, just new sculpts for all.

Weren't the Dark Angels using the latest, experimental, esoteric or prototype tech back in the Heresy?

 

I feel they should be on the cutting edge.

[Gederas]

None, just new sculpts for all.

Weren't the Dark Angels using the latest, experimental, esoteric or prototype tech back in the Heresy?

 

I feel they should be on the cutting edge.

Much like the playerbase, the Dark Angels are split on the whole Primaris thing (still). Some want nothing to do with them and want all Primaris to be killed off (Belial and Asmodai), others are view them on a case-by-case basis (Ezekiel).

[Robbienw]

 

None, just new sculpts for all.

None, just new sculpts for all.

Weren't the Dark Angels using the latest, experimental, esoteric or prototype tech back in the Heresy?

 

I feel they should be on the cutting edge.

No. They were using lots of relic Dark Age of Technology weaponry and ships. Actual stuff made in the Dark Age. Including forbidden weaponry only entrusted to them by the Emperor himself.

[Ishagu]

 

 

None, just new sculpts for all.

None, just new sculpts for all.

Weren't the Dark Angels using the latest, experimental, esoteric or prototype tech back in the Heresy?

 

I feel they should be on the cutting edge.

No. They were using lots of relic Dark Age of Technology weaponry and ships. Actual stuff made in the Dark Age. Including forbidden weaponry only entrusted to them by the Emperor himself.

It's a good thing that the Primaris Astartes and weapon additions were created using Dark Age tech (Sangprimus Portem, Land recovered STCs) that was intrusted to Cawl by the Lord Commander during the Scouring, and the order to create them predates any technologically restrictive dogmas that have occurred since.

 

Edit:

 

Not to mention the fact that said Lord Commander is a respected and trusted brother of the Lion.

Edited October 11, 2020 by Ishagu

[WrathOfTheLion]

 

It's a good thing that the Primaris Astartes and weapon additions were created using Dark Age tech (Sangprimus Portem, Land recovered STCs) that was intrusted to Cawl by the Lord Commander during the Scouring, and the order to create them predates any technologically restrictive dogmas that have occurred since.

 

Edit:

 

Not to mention the fact that said Lord Commander is a respected and trusted brother of the Lion.

 

They should more be outfitting the Primaris with their own equipment and eschewing some of the equipment created by Cawl.

 

Things like the rift cannons that rend reality mounted on the Ravenwing aircraft, specialist plasma weaponry, psychic weaponry, enslaved Men of Iron, etc. They were entrusted with all the pre-Martian technology that was on Terra from the Age of Strife and the Dark Age of Technology.

 

However, your earlier statement is also correct. They did usually get access to state of the art, newer stuff as well. Things like MK VI armor, terminator armor, etc. were all things that they would have evaluated as well.

 

Now as far as our characters go, I do disagree with Brother Tyler and BB that we should have most of our characters killed off. Some of them, like Azrael and Ezekiel, have never had their model updated since their initial release circa 1995. They are not in a retireable state, and I don't think they should end in the state they are. Now if they were to update the model with a new non-Primaris kit, then I would be more sympathetic, but as it stands these are some of the oldest models in the game and need an update.

 

However, if it's just them making new models, then to hell with it at this point, do all of them. The illusion that heroes will 'die' from the process was stillborn given how it started.

Edited October 11, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion

[Robbienw]

 

 

 

None, just new sculpts for all.

None, just new sculpts for all.

Weren't the Dark Angels using the latest, experimental, esoteric or prototype tech back in the Heresy?

 

I feel they should be on the cutting edge.

No. They were using lots of relic Dark Age of Technology weaponry and ships. Actual stuff made in the Dark Age. Including forbidden weaponry only entrusted to them by the Emperor himself.

It's a good thing that the Primaris Astartes and weapon additions were created using Dark Age tech (Sangprimus Portem, Land recovered STCs) that was intrusted to Cawl by the Lord Commander during the Scouring, and the order to create them predates any technologically restrictive dogmas that have occurred since.

It’s not quite the same thing. Everything the imperium creates has its roots in Dark Age technology, even relatively basic STC stuff. But the ships and proscribed weapons the DA had was high relic Dark Age technology. Actually made during the Dark Age. Stuff the imperium could not then and still cannot now replicate.

 

The sangprimus portem came from the Selenar, a repository of data and gene samples given to the Selenar by the emperor so they could mass produce space marines faster for him, and included their own work on the genecodes and possible improvements. Obviously the Selenar has knowledge from the pre imperium and old night days, but the sangprimus portem itself was not a dark age relic.

 

Every legion to some degree before the heresy was testing experimental and prototype stuff, and the latest gear.

Edited October 11, 2020 by Robbienw

[WrathOfTheLion]

The stuff given to the 1st Legion was already banned by the Emperor before even the beginning of the Great Crusade.

[Ishagu]

@WrathoftheLion

 

I don't see how a satisfying story can be made where a beloved hero is killed on the operating table.

 

I think you could argue that it's a grim dark twist - a noble hero feels he can serve the Imperium better by improving himself, only for his own body to fail and expire the process of said improvement.

 

At the same time it would be deeply unsatisfactory. Imagine watching Lord of the Rings, and then reading a blurb about how Aragorn died from a bad fever a year after becoming king.

 

A better case can be made for outright replacing the character with new Primaris equivalents, but I believe that Azrael is a very likely update. At the same time the new guy is very similar in look, so perhaps it will be Azmodai or Sammael.

[WrathOfTheLion]

I agree, that's why I never thought the possibility was convincing to me. I don't think they'll do it because it's kind of stupid. They'll either fall in battle, or continue on.

 

The reason it was stillborn wasn't that Calgar didn't die on the table, but that they obviously avoided other scenarios that would have ended in death to get there, so they obviously weren't going to make it end on the table. So it's a dead concept for them to die on the table because they have to already have the hero survive to get there. It's naturally inverted there.

Edited October 11, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion

[Zustiur]

None will die on the table for the reasons mentioned. None will die period. Can you imagine the outcry of "GW killed my favourite character"?

It's the same reason why no chapters were destroyed during the opening of the rift and why 40k should remain as a setting and never be an ongoing story.

 

Personally I want updated models for Azrael, Belial and Saphon, but not as primaris. That clearly isn't going to happen.

 

Just say Balthazar is Azrael, put a watcher with him and release.

Say the librarian is actually Ezekiel.

Redo Belial so he actually looks good and not like he's firing blindly into the air.

Bring back Bethor and the 3 sacred standards.

 

If we absolutely have to have primaris, do it to Asmodai against his own will. Now that would be an interesting plot point.

Edited October 12, 2020 by Zustiur

[Aeri]

Saphon is actually a nice candidate for a new primaris model.

He would need some sick rules though.

[G8Keeper]

Naaman - His body is actually in stasis and is bought forth by the Watchers in the Dark to undergo the Rubicon (echoes of the Lion I guess).  He survives and we have something unique, a 10th company either independent officer or Master, although that would require killing off Master Ranaeus.

[Interrogator Stobz]

Now there's a thought.

[Volt]

 

 

 

None, just new sculpts for all.

None, just new sculpts for all.

Weren't the Dark Angels using the latest, experimental, esoteric or prototype tech back in the Heresy?

 

I feel they should be on the cutting edge.

No. They were using lots of relic Dark Age of Technology weaponry and ships. Actual stuff made in the Dark Age. Including forbidden weaponry only entrusted to them by the Emperor himself.

It's a good thing that the Primaris Astartes and weapon additions were created using Dark Age tech (Sangprimus Portem, Land recovered STCs) that was intrusted to Cawl by the Lord Commander during the Scouring, and the order to create them predates any technologically restrictive dogmas that have occurred since.

 

Edit:

 

Not to mention the fact that said Lord Commander is a respected and trusted brother of the Lion.

 

Those aren't Dark Angel style tech at all. Dark Angels use *Terran* tech in their weapons and specialist vehicles, specifically getting the crux of tech that was outright purged or totally suppressed by Mars fearing Terra as a rival. Moreover the Dark Angles make all of their tech, they don't use the Admech as a lifeline like other Legions.