9th edition codex supplement

[The_Lord_Of_Angels]

Also I’m liking those rules for the flaw, reminds me of the 3rd edition (or was it 4th edition?) rule where you randomly rolled for your death company. It mentions bikers can get it so I’m wondering if we’ll be able to have death company bikers?

From what was said in the article, I'm assuming only characters and dreadnoughts that fail the test actually join the death company i.e gain black rage and no longer gain exp. So no biker DC.

Edited November 25, 2020 by The_Lord_Of_Angels

[Nova_Dew]

If and that's a big if, i have my maths right, we have a very small chance of passing the tests, the chance of rolling 7 (equal or higher to Ld fails the test) or less on 3d6 is 16.2%. for flaw markers fails the odds are 16%, 33%, 50%, 66%, 84% and 100%.

 

The cynical part of me says they want to sell Death Company box's along with more captains, chaplains and sang priests so made the rules to do that, hello Sang priests having a way to gain a tonne of XP

 

I can see two builds happening for Crusade armies;

1) mostly shooty if not all shooty

or

2) Capt with Master of sacrifices, Chaplain with guardian of the lost, sang priests and a tonne of sacrificial melee units that they smash into their opponent hoping to take enough deaths/wounds to take an out of action test.

 

Lots of good idea's but the price i don't think is worth it, ah well, i can't change the rules, and maybe we'll get buff's, but im not holding my breath

[Arkangilos]

This is great, it’s like 3rd edition

[Ishagu]

Just dropping by to say that I hope the supplement drops along with a new Dante model.

[1s=heretical]

Just dropping by to say that I hope the supplement drops along with a new Dante model.

only thing we are getting besides the supplement is a combat patrol and death company intercessor box

[ThatOneMarshal]

I am seriously considering dropping some money on the dice.my only concern is that I remember hearing a while back that GW dice weren’t even compared to chessex brand and other companies?

[SnorriSnorrison]

I already have BA dice in black/red and DC dice in the same colour from the BnC dice runs with Chessex and I’m not using them currently (because of bad luck :D ), so as much as I’d be tempted to get the GW dice, my gut tells me that I won’t be using the 20 new dice in favour over the 60 I already have.

 

If anyone’s keen on interpretation of Oxford commas, how does the forum thinks Angel’s sacrifice works? There’s a debate going on apparently, one camp says the enemy unit is affected (and can only target the character in engagement range) while the other camp says that the models in engagement range of the character are affected, which would make the stratagem a lot less powerful/pretty

 

[Morticon]

I already have BA dice in black/red and DC dice in the same colour from the BnC dice runs with Chessex and I’m not using them currently (because of bad luck ), so as much as I’d be tempted to get the GW dice, my gut tells me that I won’t be using the 20 new dice in favour over the 60 I already have.

 

If anyone’s keen on interpretation of Oxford commas, how does the forum thinks Angel’s sacrifice works? There’s a debate going on apparently, one camp says the enemy unit is affected (and can only target the character in engagement range) while the other camp says that the models in engagement range of the character are affected, which would make the stratagem a lot less powerful/pretty

 

 

This has nothing to do with the Oxford comma, I'm afraid.  There is no use of it in this case as there is not list of items. 

 

Additionally, and this sounds inconsiderate, there should be no debate here.  Its clunky as all hell, but it is grammatically sound. 

 

In the clause starting with "those attacks" , "those" refers to the attacks of the previous clause's subject-  ie: "a model in that unit..within Engagement Range of the Character". 

 

 

In short, any models in the target enemy unit that can attack the Character (because of being in Engagement range, rather than otehr special rules), must do so.  

 

[SnorriSnorrison]

Fair enough! I get around well enough with my English, but that sentence is really clunky indeed. For example you could exclude the part after “selected to fight” as one would do with defining and non-defining clauses to get to the statement of the original sentence and it would totally change the meaning of the paragraph.

[FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants]

I really like the Crusade stuff that’s been mentioned. I’m curious to find out more about how these mechanics work.

[momerathe]

I read the crusade rules late last night while half-asleep and somehow thought the dice roll was the other way round - i.e. you had to kill multiple units in melee to NOT get the flaw - and was very confused!

[Xenith]

From what was said in the article, I'm assuming only characters and dreadnoughts that fail the test actually join the death company i.e gain black rage and no longer gain exp. So no biker DC.

 

Just as there aren't biker DC in the background - if a biker unit fails the test, they'll lose XP on account of one of their senior members going mad and needing reinforcements. Whether you get to add this model to a DC unit in your army is unknown at this stage. Characters probably gain the DEATH COMPANY keyword and fight on. 

[smileyjim]

Good God players are already nitpicking the new rules? I swear some players just want to remove all enjoyment from the game. Bring it down to their level Edited November 25, 2020 by Brother Tyler
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[FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants]

Just spitballing, but I could foresee there being a mechanic similar to the Fresh Recruits requisition where by you can add a member to your Death Company. Could be wrong though. There are numerous ways they could play with the Death Company issue, you could get a free increase in Supply Limit, but the new unit you ad has be either Death Company or Death Company Intercessors. I don’t know. But I’m looking forward to converting up some Death Company charcacters. I think a BA Librarian in Death Company livery would look quit smart.

[Shaezus]

Angels Sacrifice is likely to be usable in all games, not just crusade. SW didn't get any crusade only strats. Hoping I'm right because if so, it's a beauty. Edited November 25, 2020 by Shaezus

[Blindhamster]

Does effectively let say... a bladeguard lieutenant properly tank for a captain, which is cool

[Thoridon]

A Terminator character with a storm shield could tank a lot with that stratagem. Anything 0 or -1 AP would be saved on a 2+, then if you throw in a warlord trait to ignore wounds on a 5+ you have a fair chance of reducing some damage if you do roll 1s to save.

[Blindhamster]

new article up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/25/the-flaw-made-manifest-the-death-company-on-the-battlefield/

 

Anyone saying we wont have character needs to read this. Kudos to the team.

[BrotherAetherick]

Finally Sanguinius hallucinations vs Horus in rules form.

[VanDutch]

Presumably ‘The Lost’ rule can also be applied to primaris Lts and Captains. Are there any we would consider it for? Gravis captain maybe? The Reiver Lt?

 

Appreciating we don’t have the full rule set yet.

Edited November 25, 2020 by VanDutch

[Xenith]

A Terminator character with a storm shield could tank a lot with that stratagem. Anything 0 or -1 AP would be saved on a 2+, then if you throw in a warlord trait to ignore wounds on a 5+ you have a fair chance of reducing some damage if you do roll 1s to save.

 

Yea, or if something with a lot of AP0 attacks hits your line, like hormagaunts or maybe new dark eldar, the character can intervene and tank everything, maybe saving a unit in the process. 

 

new article up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/25/the-flaw-made-manifest-the-death-company-on-the-battlefield/

 

Anyone saying we wont have character needs to read this. Kudos to the team.

 

Brutal. Unsure if we need TT rules for every aspect of the fluff, but it seems interesting. Note that the Crusade rule says "an Astorath model". To me that's some major future proofing for a release. 

 

Edited November 25, 2020 by Xenith

[Dhx711]

By chance does anybody know if the ninth edition BA codex will be able to be used standalone or will I have to also buy the space marine codex?

 

Thanks.

[BrotherAetherick]

By chance does anybody know if the ninth edition BA codex will be able to be used standalone or will I have to also buy the space marine codex?

 

Thanks.

You will need both.

[Charlo]

It is 100% a codex supplement to the main space marine codex. It will only contain unique units/ rules.

[Dhx711]

Thanks all.