Rejects of Anvilus Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Removed stuff Consuls -Warmonger -Nullificator Nullificators Boxnoughts Contemptor Cortus Mortis Boxnaught Contemptor Mortis Hussar Squad Sky Seekers Attack Bikes(?) Tarantulas Primaris Lightning Sky-Slayers Land Raider Achilles Land Riader Achilles Alpha Legion Basilik Legion Medusa Caestus Assault Ram Legion Malcador PoW LoWs Baneblade Family Macharius Family Malcador Family Actual Book LoW Drops Stormblade Thunderhawk Transporter Big stupid terrain piece Legion Specific (that we've seen in leaks etc so is spotty at best, also factor in exemplary battle units are goneski as well) Dark Angels Firewing Enigmatus Cabal Ironwing Excindio Automata Mardruk Sedras Farith Redloss EC Ancient Rylaanor IW Iron Havocs Golg Vhalen Dreygur White Scars Falcons Claws (probably) Tsolmon Khan (?) SW (?) IF (?) NL Mawdrym Kheron Ophion Makrid Thole BA Aster Crohne IH Castrmen Orth Autek Mor Shadrak Meduson World Eaters Shabran Darr Gahlan Surlak (by extension Inductii) Ultras Fulmentarus (?) Locutarus Storm (?) Honored Telemchrus DG Crysos Morturg Durak Rask 1ksons Ammatara Cabal SoH Tybalt Marr WB Hol Beloth Sallies Cassian Dracos Dracos Reborn Chaplain Nomus Xiaphas Jurr RG Darkwing Gunship Alvarex Maun Kaedus Nex AL Skorr Blackshields Black Shield Reaver Lord BS Marauder Squads Good chance I've missed stuff/put stuff on the list that has been confirmed, but its a start. P.S. I'm not buying units were dropped to 'reduce book load' when we have pages for 'Praetor', 'Praetor in Tartaros Armour' etc... I’m glad it’s April Fools day or I would be well unhappy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 ARRR BeoFist got me here. Sneaky bastard. :D The Scorpion 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Aw man, if nullificators are gone that really hurts one of my projects, I was planning a Imperial Heralds remnant force going daemon hunting. I also have 2 MkIV boxnoughts to build from when FW LCTBed them, I was still undecided on what to use them for. I will likely build them and wait to get confirmation of their presence/absence before painting them, although I was looking forward to convert a flamestorm cannon for one of them and use it to toast traitors. If that is not possible, I guess my 40K chapter will get 2 relic boxes for themselves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scorpion Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Anyone see raldarons rules yet? Is he still pretty much the same as current edition? Haven't seen the rules, but someone claims they go as follow: Raldoron is mostly unchanged beyond getting Furious Charge (2) and his sword is now murderous strike (5+). A big change he got is the ability to select his warlord trait from the "Core" warlord traits or any other loyalist legion's warlord trait that isn't character specific or traitor only. No word on Crohne, no one has heard of him. He's most likely getting replaced by Zephon. No model no rules strikes once again. Especially now that all Primarchs have one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I don't buy that Salamanders and IW loose all special characters besides their primarchs. WrathOfTheLion 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 We’ve seen remarkably little of generic Legion list info. Have we actually seen anything other than the supposed datasheets for the Predator & Kratos? As well as a few weapon profiles etc? The data sheets are out there but is there something specific you wish to know about either? Just because I am paranoid: if you can, try to phrase it in a way I can say "yes/no" to. Oh no, I meant those were the only full data sheets for generic units that I had seen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I would imagine that most or all of those legion characters would be prime material to return in future campaign books. To be cynical, they want you to keep buying campaign books. Curbing some of the content you have access to directly at launch makes sense if you want players to continue to do that. I'd guess that there will be a hefty "get you by" PDF at launch with some of the larger/popular removed characters as well as some of those missing units (boxnaughts especially). As an aside, GW seem to have a habit of wildly changing the final printed result after the final playtest (Aeldari codex is a recent example, Recent AoS books have changed massively too from what I understand). I'm not sure if it'll happen with Horus Heresy too as they're separate teams but it's definitely something to consider. The Playtest 3.0 pack is a good guideline to the release, its not always indicative of exactly what's coming (or not coming) jaxom and Rejects of Anvilus 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scorpion Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 As a boxnought player, I still hold out hope that they're included in the real legion lists; just wasn't in the scope of play testing. GeeDubs lacks the balls to make a new plastic boxnought. CaptainFrederickson 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Removed stuff Consuls -Warmonger -Nullificator Nullificators Boxnoughts Contemptor Cortus Mortis Boxnaught Contemptor Mortis Hussar Squad Sky Seekers Attack Bikes(?) Tarantulas Primaris Lightning Sky-Slayers Land Raider Achilles Land Riader Achilles Alpha Legion Basilik Legion Medusa Caestus Assault Ram Legion Malcador PoW LoWs Baneblade Family Macharius Family Malcador Family Actual Book LoW Drops Stormblade Thunderhawk Transporter Big stupid terrain piece Legion Specific (that we've seen in leaks etc so is spotty at best, also factor in exemplary battle units are goneski as well) Dark Angels Firewing Enigmatus Cabal Ironwing Excindio Automata Mardruk Sedras Farith Redloss EC Ancient Rylaanor IW Iron Havocs Golg Vhalen Dreygur White Scars Falcons Claws (probably) Tsolmon Khan (?) SW (?) IF (?) NL Mawdrym Kheron Ophion Makrid Thole BA Aster Crohne IH Castrmen Orth Autek Mor Shadrak Meduson World Eaters Shabran Darr Gahlan Surlak (by extension Inductii) Ultras Fulmentarus (?) Locutarus Storm (?) Honored Telemchrus DG Crysos Morturg Durak Rask 1ksons Ammatara Cabal SoH Tybalt Marr WB Hol Beloth Sallies Cassian Dracos Dracos Reborn Chaplain Nomus Xiaphas Jurr RG Darkwing Gunship Alvarex Maun Kaedus Nex AL Skorr Blackshields Black Shield Reaver Lord BS Marauder Squads Thing is, that list was first posted a couple days ago, and not on April first. If all of these removed / shifted unit entries are actualy true, well, then *beep* off 'Heresy 2.0' D3L 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Amazing how quickly a list like that can dampen your great enthusiasm. Hungry Nostraman Lizard, Marshal Loss, D3L and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Thing is, that list was first posted a couple days ago, and not on April first. If all of these removed / shifted unit entries are actualy true, well, then *beep* off 'Heresy 2.0' Until some of those generic units start appearing LCTB, I'm going to remain skeptical. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Maybe all those OOP/no models units will be collected into a Legends supplement? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Maybe all those OOP/no models units will be collected into a Legends supplement?Which would still be terrible. D3L and Brother Sutek 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Maybe all those OOP/no models units will be collected into a Legends supplement? We already have that one ... it's called OG Heresy Gorgoff and Rejects of Anvilus 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Yeah like, if you want to play an unofficial version using models / units no longer supported then you're just going to...use the old rules. See also, WFB. Unknown Legionnaire and Brother Sutek 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
suxdavide Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Maybe all those OOP/no models units will be collected into a Legends supplement? We already have that one ... it's called OG Heresy OG Heresy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) Maybe all those OOP/no models units will be collected into a Legends supplement? We already have that one ... it's called OG Heresy OG Heresy?Original Heresy. What we play and love for 6 years now. Edited April 1, 2022 by Gorgoff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Polo Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I go full on dental that anything of this is true. Otherwise it would be too up. In my group almost all of them said they won't play the game if that is true. They even consider selling their stuff before it comes because the ubits are now still valuable. I recommend selling now, before people realize that those units are indeed gone. Should help out some new players get into the game as a bonus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scorpion Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Anyone see raldarons rules yet? Is he still pretty much the same as current edition? http://i.4pcdn.org/tg/1648813980121.png No more Blood Angel stuff will get leaked sadly, because the leaker seems to have gotten into a typical 4chan pissing match with someone from Bolter & Chainsword of all people. The fight in question arose over not posting the full rules, but I think it is said elswhere that the WL is now more flexible and the blade Encarmine has a (+5) efect like Breaching or Rending. Tl;dr: Raldoran gud I'll check if there are more leaks elsewhere. It's a pain that the only that hasn't dried up (yet) is 4chan, though it was to be expected. I guess all good things come at a price. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper.McGuirl Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Are the artillery pieces that are going away resin/plastic hybrids? My guess is anything in the new book already has full forge world kits that are staying, or will soon be replaced with plastic kits with maybe resin alternate weapons. I suspect anything where the base model is currently a 40k kit with a resin component, or just a 40k kit, is going away in the new book. At least to start. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Well the drop pod is a 40k kit and it's staying, so I don't think that's a hard rule, unless a separate 30k drop pod model is coming. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armillion Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Are the artillery pieces that are going away resin/plastic hybrids? My guess is anything in the new book already has full forge world kits that are staying, or will soon be replaced with plastic kits with maybe resin alternate weapons. I suspect anything where the base model is currently a 40k kit with a resin component, or just a 40k kit, is going away in the new book. At least to start. This would mean the end of a lot of kits, notably something like the Fellblade/Glaive/Falchion which use baneblade as a base. Ditto for Storm Eagle/Fire Raptor using the Storm Eagle (thought this would be a massive improvement and jubilation for all if this became mostly plastic). Admittedly you could do new plastic upgrade sprues to bridge from the existing plastic base parts (I would love a plastic Fellblade, using a heat gun to work out all the gaps and warpage on the resin and getting the tracks lined up correctly on mine was flipping nightmare) Though if the rumormongers are to be believed, I could see a lot of kits being updated such as: Whirlwind Scorpius - ditch the resin hull parrts for complete plastic, rebox with the existing resin turret Sicarans - If there is a new plastic kit coming for the base version, then variants could just keep existing resin for the required front hull (venator), turrets (everything else) and use the plastic for the hull Predators - If not all version make it into plastic then they maybe just sell the weapon swaps to the new base plastic kit Cerberus/Typhon - Rework the resin parts for front hull and weapons to utilize a plastic spartan hull. This would certainly help get rid of the resin-spartan's tendency for the track tips to break off. Ripper.McGuirl and Noserenda 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Polo Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 The predator is getting a brand new volkite main gun. At a time when a lot of options and models are going away, it getting something like this would lean towards a new plastic deimos predator kit down the line. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Weird that sallies are losing Cassian Dracos when the model still exists. Guess it's a casualty of the no boxnaughts rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) The choice to remove Boxnaughts is... really weird On another note, have we seen the new Iron Hands rites of war? I've seen basically all of their rules except for the RoWs and their unique reaction. Edited April 1, 2022 by Noctus Cornix Hungry Nostraman Lizard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/117/#findComment-5810692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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