State of the Union (Heresy)

[Astartes Consul]

Well that suddenly make a lot of things make sense about the new army list...

[Slips]

Thats why its a theory of mine on why the boxdread was discontinued that is almost on the level of a conspiracy theory when I mentioned it earlier.

[Rejects of Anvilus]

Cheers Slips, this has kept me busy reading this all evening!

[Slips]

Remember guys, we have Legion Specific Tactica threads in the AoD so feel free to take relevant images for your legions and discuss them in detail there so that you can hopefully have an easier time coming to grips with what will be possible to achieve in the new edition.

Edited April 1, 2022 by Slips

[Dagoth Ur]

 

Truly doing the lord's work sharing these, Slips. 

 

So Boxnaughts really are just gone like that, huh? I wonder what the olympia level mental gymnastics behind that move are.

 

Edit: thanks Slips for reposting the stuff here!

 

They don't want to make a new kit / rebox the 40k kits with Boxnaught parts? 

I think it has to do with how theyre restructuring how money from sales will be distributed; wish I could go more into it but it would probably get people in trouble.

 

Thank you for the insight, Slips. If this is genuinely the reason, then it is very disheartening. I hope that GW will reconsider, otherwise I hope that they have suggestions on what to do with the legion boxnaughts that people own (Hell, I have 5 myself).

[Spagunk]

Thanks for diving into the mines of moria for leak images.

 

I know the version I had access to was under the "Don't leak" side so I couldn't post what I had. Now that the flood gate opened, hopefully more people will get the context of what is going.

[kenshin138]

Heresy Hype at Maximum. I like a lot of what I see here.

[Slips]

 

 

Truly doing the lord's work sharing these, Slips. 

 

So Boxnaughts really are just gone like that, huh? I wonder what the olympia level mental gymnastics behind that move are.

 

Edit: thanks Slips for reposting the stuff here!

 

They don't want to make a new kit / rebox the 40k kits with Boxnaught parts? 

I think it has to do with how theyre restructuring how money from sales will be distributed; wish I could go more into it but it would probably get people in trouble.

 

Thank you for the insight, Slips. If this is genuinely the reason, then it is very disheartening. I hope that GW will reconsider, otherwise I hope that they have suggestions on what to do with the legion boxnaughts that people own (Hell, I have 5 myself).

 

Id view it more as: if we, the customers, buy more HH-specific stuff, then the SG team will have more capital available to them to reinvest and produce stuff for us instead of being beholden to GW allocating them money and resources.

[Cris R]

Remember guys, we have Legion Specific Tactica threads in the AoD so feel free to take relevant images for your legions and discuss them in detail there so that you can hopefully have an easier time coming to grips with what will be possible to achieve in the new edition.

 

Slips, one quick question after seeing the new Destroyer rules: what do we know about the Angel's Tears now that Destroyers can take Volkite Serpentas? Is that the Tears continue to get these by default and keep the same rules and access to Warner as the main benefit over their generic counterparts?

[SkimaskMohawk]

 

 

Even with prides limits, it's busted.

Busted as in OP or Busted as in terrible?

Busted as in, terminators seem to be the same price, but have 2 wounds and there's far far less ap2. And oh great, they're still troops and score.

[Slips]

 

Remember guys, we have Legion Specific Tactica threads in the AoD so feel free to take relevant images for your legions and discuss them in detail there so that you can hopefully have an easier time coming to grips with what will be possible to achieve in the new edition.

 

Slips, one quick question after seeing the new Destroyer rules: what do we know about the Angel's Tears now that Destroyers can take Volkite Serpentas? Is that the Tears continue to get these by default and keep the same rules and access to Warner as the main benefit over their generic counterparts?

 

I personally dont know, havent seen Angels Tears in detail myself.

[The Scorpion]

Remember guys, we have Legion Specific Tactica threads in the AoD so feel free to take relevant images for your legions and discuss them in detail there so that you can hopefully have an easier time coming to grips with what will be possible to achieve in the new edition.

True dat, sorting everything trough this page will be a mess.

[Omega-soul]

The level of of those who wrote rules for Sanguinius is just astounding.

First being statline with 6 strengh, 6 initiative 6 attacks - as oppose to Lion and Russ having 7-7-7

Second special rules - it takes a special kind of to not give Sanguinius DEEP STRIKE RULE

I will not be bothered to compare his special rules to Lion and Russ - because his special rules suck big time hard.

I will not be bothered to mention his lost special rules and opportunities to fix stupid ones (one shot pistol AGAIN?)

 

So now essentially - he is not even remotely the killiest one, and secondly - gives even less bonuses to his army.

And now - when you can't have hit&run via RoW - all those "on charge" bonuses becomes a bandaid made of grass.

 

One may say "But hey he is still ok at killing random stuff" - but the point is - it's Sanguinius, he can't be mediocre dude - even :cuss Corax dish can dish out 12 attacks with s6 ap2 shred! 

 

I am sorry for this nerd rage - but it's unbearable - especially how much controversy his profile caused in the first edition.

 

Sanguinius gear and rules

 

 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2022 by Slips
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[Slips]

 

The level of of those who wrote rules for Sanguinius is just astounding.

First being statline with 6 strengh, 6 initiative 6 attacks - as oppose to Lion and Russ having 7-7-7

Second special rules - it takes a special kind of to not give Sanguinius DEEP STRIKE RULE

I will not be bothered to compare his special rules to Lion and Russ - because his special rules suck big time hard.

I will not be bothered to mention his lost special rules and opportunities to fix stupid ones (one shot pistol AGAIN?)

 

So now essentially - he is not even remotely the killiest one, and secondly - gives even less bonuses to his army.

And now - when you can't have hit&run via RoW - all those "on charge" bonuses becomes a bandaid made of grass.

 

One may say "But hey he is still ok at killing random stuff" - but the point is - it's Sanguinius, he can't be mediocre dude - even Corax dish can dish out 12 attacks with s6 ap2 shred! 

 

I am sorry for this nerd rage - but it's unbearable - especially how much controversy his profile caused in the first edition.

 

 

Sanguinius gear and rules

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing this is still clearly playtest and not the final product then.

[Astartes Consul]

 

 

 

 

Truly doing the lord's work sharing these, Slips.

 

 

So Boxnaughts really are just gone like that, huh? I wonder what the olympia level mental gymnastics behind that move are.

 

Edit: thanks Slips for reposting the stuff here!

They don't want to make a new kit / rebox the 40k kits with Boxnaught parts?

I think it has to do with how theyre restructuring how money from sales will be distributed; wish I could go more into it but it would probably get people in trouble.

Thank you for the insight, Slips. If this is genuinely the reason, then it is very disheartening. I hope that GW will reconsider, otherwise I hope that they have suggestions on what to do with the legion boxnaughts that people own (Hell, I have 5 myself).

Weirdly, I think I’m less disheartened knowing it might be due to a ‘business end’ decision as opposed to the team behind the game just randomly picking units they don’t like to scrap. And as Slips says, there is even an outside chance that in the long run it gives the SG team more leeway to do stuff!

 

Though I would probably be less pragmatic about it if I had a Basilisk/Medusa heavy IW list or more than a couple of Boxnaughts etc etc.

[Omega-soul]

 

 

The level of of those who wrote rules for Sanguinius is just astounding.

First being statline with 6 strengh, 6 initiative 6 attacks - as oppose to Lion and Russ having 7-7-7

Second special rules - it takes a special kind of to not give Sanguinius DEEP STRIKE RULE

I will not be bothered to compare his special rules to Lion and Russ - because his special rules suck big time hard.

I will not be bothered to mention his lost special rules and opportunities to fix stupid ones (one shot pistol AGAIN?)

 

So now essentially - he is not even remotely the killiest one, and secondly - gives even less bonuses to his army.

And now - when you can't have hit&run via RoW - all those "on charge" bonuses becomes a bandaid made of grass.

 

One may say "But hey he is still ok at killing random stuff" - but the point is - it's Sanguinius, he can't be mediocre dude - even Corax dish can dish out 12 attacks with s6 ap2 shred! 

 

I am sorry for this nerd rage - but it's unbearable - especially how much controversy his profile caused in the first edition.

 

 

Sanguinius gear and rules

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing this is still clearly playtest and not the final product then.

 

With GW - I am most certain that this is what we get in print version.

The best hope is to get first day Errata - but it's too much to ask in this circumstances.

[Bung]

So Boxnaughts really are just gone like that, huh? I wonder what the olympia level mental gymnastics behind that move are.

 

Edit: thanks Slips for reposting the stuff here!

New Contemptor shall Not have competition from a 20 year old kit, that already Made enough money.

[xxunphasedxx]

 

The level of of those who wrote rules for Sanguinius is just astounding.

First being statline with 6 strengh, 6 initiative 6 attacks - as oppose to Lion and Russ having 7-7-7

Second special rules - it takes a special kind of to not give Sanguinius DEEP STRIKE RULE

I will not be bothered to compare his special rules to Lion and Russ - because his special rules suck big time hard.

I will not be bothered to mention his lost special rules and opportunities to fix stupid ones (one shot pistol AGAIN?)

 

So now essentially - he is not even remotely the killiest one, and secondly - gives even less bonuses to his army.

And now - when you can't have hit&run via RoW - all those "on charge" bonuses becomes a bandaid made of grass.

 

One may say "But hey he is still ok at killing random stuff" - but the point is - it's Sanguinius, he can't be mediocre dude - even Corax dish can dish out 12 attacks with s6 ap2 shred! 

 

I am sorry for this nerd rage - but it's unbearable - especially how much controversy his profile caused in the first edition.

 

Sanguinius gear and rules

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your not the only one brother, losing my mind trying to make sense of how someone could make Sanguinius so bad that even DORN can mop the floor with him. He was Lore accurately supposed to be like top 3 in primarch vs primarch duels. Like Slips said though, we still have time for them to rework him before release, just amazing he has made to Phase 3 while remaining this terrible and without deepstrike.

[Mogsam]

Frustrating that the artillery is gone. It's arbitrary and actually on sale.

[Slips]

The only thing that makes me squint at the Legion Basilisk and Medusa not being in and possibly being in a pdf at launch or something is this:

[Biscuittzz]

Corax is and always has been better than poor oul Sanguinius  . Pleased with what I see from the RG rules and units so far, Corax and Dark Furies will be very good. Hopefully our special characters are still around.

 

Looking at the unit list it's quite apparent that everything will be labelled as HH only from a sales point of view. There's nothing that has a 40k kit as far as I can see.

[BitsHammer]

Frustrating that the artillery is gone. It's arbitrary and actually on sale.

Based on Slip's theory it's not arbitrary if the company wants to keep HH as it's own product line so they can better track sales to the product directly instead of guessing what people want to use models for and divy up sales that way.

[Astartes Consul]

The only thing that makes me squint at the Legion Basilisk and Medusa not being in and possibly being in a pdf at launch or something is this:

These leaks were advertised as earlier in the testing, right?

[Slips]

 

The only thing that makes me squint at the Legion Basilisk and Medusa not being in and possibly being in a pdf at launch or something is this:

These leaks were advertised as earlier in the testing, right?

 

Yes this is from the Phase 1 document that leaked.

[Noserenda]

Problem is the Legion Medusa and Basilisk have their own expensive models from Forgeworld...

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Medusa

I think the Ironfire RoW being phase 1 but the units being missing from the phase 3 documents explains it easily enough, they decided to drop them between versions.

I have previously heard (from someone in GW) that FW deliberately avoids using plastic kits wherever possible since a few years ago out of essentially spite, silly inter branch rivalry stuff rather than specific targets and the like as i heard it, though this predates the news of this version of the game which has obviously involved rebranding and the like and probably more competitive targeting.

Not sure how effective it will be though, annoy people enough by crap like this and the drop in big box sales would soon exceed potential future heresy boxnought sales. You would hope the shiny new Contemptor might stand on its own merits?