Gorgoff Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Well, not a fan of the Reactions, and not a fan of the new WL traits that seem more or less just focused on Reactions. Really liking the EC and IF consul upgrades, nice and fluffy. But why are Terminator Centurions (of any type) 3 wounds a piece, as opposed to regular Centurions with 2 wounds ? Meh. Charging out of DS ? Yeah no ... And yeah ... Contemptors are now SIX wounds per model ... say good bye to your infantry. Pretty clear what kinda model they wanna sale. Melterbombs have Instant Death. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammel Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Must admit I'm surprised that no further ID mitigation has emerged for Dreadnoughts - though they match up reasonably well against a lot of 2W infantry, they also die to murderous strike fishing quite easily and certain characters just munch them without breaking a sweat (one yellow chap in particular springs to mind...). Astartes Consul and SkimaskMohawk 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scorpion Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Can someone shoot me the link for Salamanders again please? I'll go post them, but on Salamanders Tactica, to keep stuff better organized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) Instant Death Vs Dreadnoughts is d3 wounds just fyi. Instant death weapons wont be autodeleting dreads in one hit Edited April 3, 2022 by Slips WrathOfTheLion, Astartes Consul and Scammel 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionary Pallas Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) IF and BA are now the premier BRRRT legions. Okay it might not be the most incredibly potent combination but I'm getting sudden visions of IF rhino spam with pintle Assault Cannons. A cheap accurate battle bus with a high rate of fire rending weapon? By the Emperor the banana bus will be a force to be reckoned with. Edited April 3, 2022 by Legionary Pallas Scammel 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Sure others on this thread are on the Heresy Discord channel but there was, very briefly, a full PDF of the Core Rules and Loyalist play test docs before mods (rightly) removed it. Guessing that means the whole thing will be on /tg or elsewhere soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) Oh, and Cataphractii still can't sweep. Tartaros can though. Edited April 3, 2022 by Slips BrokenRecord and Astartes Consul 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Not being able to sweep might be more important now that LD is lower and multiwound models are more prevalent to inflate combat res. But if you're instant deathing them to really crank it up, you're able to finish the unit regardless... There's definitely more reasons to take tartaros what with the +1 move and overwatch at full bs. Cataphractii are still defensive bricks, especially against blasts. Idk, I like that both have very clear advantages and reasons for taking them. WrathOfTheLion and Astartes Consul 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 No longer has a -1 initiative penalty to gain +X attacks for 2+ models in b2b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 So...seeing the pdf the leaks came from....some of the missing stuff might be hidden in the Traitor Legions since the pdf is all loyalist stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinn Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 I'm still trying to find said pdf so I can start tentatively planning my 1st Legion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 The rules and loyalists PDFs have been already posted in 4chan. If the moderators allow it, I could post the link here. TheTrans 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 The rules and loyalists PDFs have been already posted in 4chan. If the moderators allow it, I could post the link here. Nope, keep it to yourself or PM it to people interested. lansalt 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinn Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 I shall attempt to find it. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 So...seeing the pdf the leaks came from....some of the missing stuff might be hidden in the Traitor Legions since the pdf is all loyalist stuff. IW get Basilisks/Medusa as a Legion Unique unit? :O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Id appreciate pdfs being PM'ed over if folks do have themBit weird that the terminator suits have a section giving their rules that lacks all their rules like movement changes and subtype? Anyone appreciate the loyalist PDFs being given to leakers while the Traitor playtesters apparently toeing the company line on an ironic level? :P Astartes Consul and BitsHammer 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 So...seeing the pdf the leaks came from....some of the missing stuff might be hidden in the Traitor Legions since the pdf is all loyalist stuff. IW get Basilisks/Medusa as a Legion Unique unit? No idea as of yet, but it's not impossible. Unique legion wargear choices are pretty common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinn Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 I'd appreciate pdf too. I can not figure out how to navigate/tg lol. Found some data sheet leaks of basic stuff so I'll know how to kit squads though. Leaks are just making me more excited to jump in The Scorpion 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 The traitor rules are from an early playtest. You can expect their rules to be towned down and closer to the loyalist ones. This also means dropped units like artillery. They're not in here. One thing we could see is an echo of the Traitor/Loyalist LEgio books for AT in which the two Warmaster Titans featured in their own respective books, but the two units could be featured in the opposite forces from the other book. This could occur for the Liber Traitoris (or whatever its title will be) - missing units from Liber Astartes could reappear in it, and some units from LA be missing from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 The traitor rules are from an early playtest. You can expect their rules to be towned down and closer to the loyalist ones. This also means dropped units like artillery. They're not in here. One thing we could see is an echo of the Traitor/Loyalist LEgio books for AT in which the two Warmaster Titans featured in their own respective books, but the two units could be featured in the opposite forces from the other book. This could occur for the Liber Traitoris (or whatever its title will be) - missing units from Liber Astartes could reappear in it, and some units from LA be missing from it? Tbh I feel like, much as anything is possible with GW, this is sadly wishful thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 It seems the missing units not included in the leaks may be in other supplements as "Expanded units"... SkimaskMohawk, Petitioner's City, BitsHammer and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) Well - ninja'd! Also latest compilation - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ornyvizbsjd4qho/Heresy%20Leaks%20So%20Far%20%283%20April%29.pdf?dl=0. This has everything the 4chan person leaked until the above image - was shared briefly on Discord. Edited April 3, 2022 by Petitioner's City lansalt 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spessmarine Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 It seems the missing units not included in the leaks may be in other supplements as "Expanded units"... So Core = we sell it so we want to emphasize it Expanded = we do not sell it, either we will sell it maybe later or it will be a counts-as forever (exemplary battles content) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Anyone seen the rules for the rule "Sudden strike (x)"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) First changes im noticing with changes to the USRs: Ad will is an invuln save vs psychic powers Armorbane vs automata and dreads is reroll failed wounds; otherwise works the same. Armorbane (melta): only gains armorbane in half range (like the old melta rule) Armorbane (melee/ranged): self-explanatory Concussive: its an LD test to reduce weapon skill not an automatic occurrence; this makes Perty's Forgebreaker with Concussive (5) potentially a lot less devastating vs non-primarchs. Crusader is now roll 2 dice discard lowest when sweeping instead of, iirc, +d3 Exoshock functions mainly the same but now requires a roll equal to or higher than the bracketed value for the 2nd auto-pen Fear is a 12" aura now Force now doubles the strength of the weapon instead of granting Instant Death Haywire only change is to Dreads and Automata who take 1 wound on a 2-5 that can be saved with invulns and damage mitig (fnp, shrouded, etc) or 1 unsavable wound on a 6 Monster Hunter affects Dreads, Automata, Primarch and anything with Monstrous Sub-Type POTMS is basically splitfire, no longer mentions being able to fire another weapon at full BS depending on how far the vehicle has moved or whatever Precision Shots/Strikes specify that wounds from them are allocated to a model of the attacking players choice rather than following the normal (new) wound allocation rules Rage is now bonus attacks equal to the number in brackets instead of +2A on a charge (So Rage (4) grants 4 extra attacks on the charge) Shrouded is basically an FNP now but cannot be used vs ignores cover or melee attacks and a model can only take 1 damage mitigation roll vs a wound (so you have to chose shrouded or FNP) Pathfinder is new: autopass dangerous terrain tests Sniper is blanket all wounds inflicted are Precision Shots (Looks at the Vigilator even more intently) Anyone seen the rules for the rule "Sudden strike (x)"? Nope. Edited April 3, 2022 by Slips Petitioner's City, depthcharge12, Loquille and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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