OttoVonAwesome Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 The Ultramarines preator appears to be the same general size as the cataphracttii in the deathguard range. Bigger but not as big as that IF guy. He'll prolly come to just above the start of a Primarch's shoulder pad like that greyknight guy does in the artwork with Guilliman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 It’s weird, I’m not a fan of it, but hey it worked for World Of Warcraft for years. I think that's more to do with the logistics of a 40 man raid party trying to target a single boss rather than Wrynn actually being 15 foot tall. During cinematics, the faction leaders and human sized bad guys are sized appropriately. Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 They're up for pre-order, and Argel Tarl has a rules download which, to me at least, confirms that the next Black Book (or whatever they replace them with potentially) with feature Word Bearers and Shadow Crusade... https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/argel-tal-the-crimson-lord-2021 https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/ultramarines-legion-terminator-praetor-2021 https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/ultramarines-legion-praetor-2021 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 £2 stealth tax! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Just my luck. Wanted to order the new Praetors and the UM contemptor and the contemptor is out of stock. :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaoself Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 I just went for the Praetor with the Artificer armour. With the price for the characters that should be enough for me. :) Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 I bought nothing and laugh about you all. HA I say, HA. cries in neglect envy Rejects of Anvilus, Chaoself, MegaVolt87 and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Argel Tal is pretty good, but in the good way where it expands options without being the clearly best choice (like what happened to sevatar). That being said, while skipping the troop tax is all good, gal vorbak still don't score, so you need reinvest that ~250 points into more scoring units. They also don't quite get as much value as larger sized units from stuff like the chaplain or psychic powers or all that. Chaoself 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Argel Tal is pretty good, but in the good way where it expands options without being the clearly best choice (like what happened to sevatar). That being said, while skipping the troop tax is all good, gal vorbak still don't score, so you need reinvest that ~250 points into more scoring units. They also don't quite get as much value as larger sized units from stuff like the chaplain or psychic powers or all that. I think there will be a Damned-only rite of war which changes win conditions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Argel Tal is pretty good, but in the good way where it expands options without being the clearly best choice (like what happened to sevatar). That being said, while skipping the troop tax is all good, gal vorbak still don't score, so you need reinvest that ~250 points into more scoring units. They also don't quite get as much value as larger sized units from stuff like the chaplain or psychic powers or all that. I think there will be a Damned-only rite of war which changes win conditions. They'd just need to tweak 'Last of the Serrated Sun' tbh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bung Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 cries in neglect envy So IW players treated like their Legion? IW take the salt extra salty. Gorgoff, WrathOfTheLion, Dosjetka and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Argel Tal is pretty good, but in the good way where it expands options without being the clearly best choice (like what happened to sevatar). That being said, while skipping the troop tax is all good, gal vorbak still don't score, so you need reinvest that ~250 points into more scoring units. They also don't quite get as much value as larger sized units from stuff like the chaplain or psychic powers or all that. I think there will be a Damned-only rite of war which changes win conditions. I hope not. The most anti-fun part of playing against daemons of the ruinstorm is how they can just play kill points while you have to play on the objectives. Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) It’s weird, I’m not a fan of it, but hey it worked for World Of Warcraft for years. I think that's more to do with the logistics of a 40 man raid party trying to target a single boss rather than Wrynn actually being 15 foot tall. During cinematics, the faction leaders and human sized bad guys are sized appropriately. There really was no issue with targeting major characters early on when raids were relatively simple given that major characters weren’t in any of the raids, and yet they were still huge just standing around in major cities. Why bother doing that? Because they were “important”, but frankly none of that really matters. This is something I’m not really a fan of but I have a feeling its the route FW/GW are going down with this latest set of releases. It is what it is. At least the Heresy train is on the move again! Edited September 10, 2021 by m0nolith Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 I'm going to assume that was an error. Because otherwise we're looking at potentially remodelling all the Primarchs (barring the Khan as he's yet to receive one). However to give myself options based on how the new plastics (and potentially the range) turn out I've just ordered a pack of MkIII Despoilers for the nice details and the Legion Praetor Pack as those are fantastic models and I'd hate to miss out on them if they do pull them. If the new stuff doesn't grab me I'm sure I'll manage with what I've got and some people will undoubtedly sell to move if there is significant scale difference. Sparika 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5740911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 So we are not part of the gencon preview. Theyll propably announce Templars to release on the last weekend of september/forst weekend of octobre. Lets see if we can make it for heresy in octobre Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5741361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Yeah nothing on the banner but if I were GW and about to relaunch Heresy then I might want to make it a real surprise. I am not even close to believing that's the case but I always like to keep a little bit of hope. Hungry Nostraman Lizard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5741378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCC Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Yeah nothing on the banner but if I were GW and about to relaunch Heresy then I might want to make it a real surprise. I am not even close to believing that's the case but I always like to keep a little bit of hope. I'm the same my "hope" is they'll have copies of the new set at the warhammer world event 9/10th of October and that's when they'll announce it properly for order the week after. If not then unfortunately i can see it being next year which would suck. But if they keep giving us Praetors and new rules every month until then it'll be better than nothing. Corswain and Astartes Consul 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5741395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I'm still hoping for that late-autumn slot but who knows.. We should be due another Legion Dispatch this week - anyone want to take a bling guess at what it might be? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5741400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) Meh not having to spend money on a new set is pretty cool as well. Lets me concentrate on my lunar auxilia infantry Edited September 14, 2021 by Marshal Vespasian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5741407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Yeah nothing on the banner but if I were GW and about to relaunch Heresy then I might want to make it a real surprise. I am not even close to believing that's the case but I always like to keep a little bit of hope. I'm the same my "hope" is they'll have copies of the new set at the warhammer world event 9/10th of October and that's when they'll announce it properly for order the week after. If not then unfortunately i can see it being next year which would suck. But if they keep giving us Praetors and new rules every month until then it'll be better than nothing. My hope is, that there is a set at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5741416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 I'm pretty sure there are at least the models coming, otherwise someone has spent considerable time on that Spartan interior as well as other stuff. And would waiting for a new set hurt GW/FW's sales? People putting aside cash that could be otherwise spent on parts of the hobby that exist? Seems a bit weird for FW/GW to completely ignore the leaks, delete posts about it rather than just say: "Glad people are excited about the Heresy but this is nothing to do with us, however why not pick up X/Y/Z today?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5741421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I'm pretty sure there are at least the models coming, otherwise someone has spent considerable time on that Spartan interior as well as other stuff. And would waiting for a new set hurt GW/FW's sales? People putting aside cash that could be otherwise spent on parts of the hobby that exist? Seems a bit weird for FW/GW to completely ignore the leaks, delete posts about it rather than just say: "Glad people are excited about the Heresy but this is nothing to do with us, however why not pick up X/Y/Z today?" It is weird, until you think about the history with GW engaging with fans online and how staff/writers ended up getting endless streams of abuse & their social media feeds were flooded with negative comments and trolling. From a professional social media perceptive, I absolutely understand why GW delete comments so frequently and don't allow public comments on things like YouTube. Almost no benefit for them and just a platform for negativity that ends up associated with their brand and directing abuse towards their staff. It sucks, but that is just how it is I guess... MCC 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5741447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I've had an unwelcome thought, what if they've binned the box set and will just release the models seperate at a later date. Would that be viable for them? Among some of the rumours were that the box set was meant to be out a year or two ago (would that have matched up with the Siege books?) so perhaps as they've had to delay it again and again maybe they've cut their losses and moved on. I hope I'm wrong, I really do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5741460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Given that GW is currently running a regular monthly Heresy update, with regular new models and literally last week a new digital campaign pack and rules, I think that is extraordinarily unlikely. I know that several years of uncertainty and poor communication around Heresy have made most of us quick skeptical about future releases, but things really are looking positive now! Hungry Nostraman Lizard and MCC 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5741462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCC Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I think Heresy looks set to be in a great place, its just a question of when now. There's too many rumours of re-done plastic armour mks II - VI of which many rumour mongers are confident are true. Valrak seemed certain on his stream last night and said it came from one of his trusted guys and he seems reliable. all i need to know now is when the releases start and whether forgeworld/GW will re scale the legion specific units and all the tanks to go with the new plastics! Brofist 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/46/#findComment-5741472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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