State of the Union (Heresy)

[Cris R]

 

 

Unpopular opinion: I hope there's more kits with less parts. Super customization for every model is great for a skirmish game, but I dislike it for a game of grand armies. For example, I'm disinclined towards the Storm of War because is requires a minimum of 40 marines to take advantage of and the older style of marine bodies is a pain to assemble in mass compared to the newer kits. I do want modeling options and opportunities where they matter, but that's not the bulk of an army.

 

I don't want xenos in the game for the simple reason that I like the appeal of this being the Imperial Civil War, brother against brother. Maybe do a War of the Beast or something like that for those who want xenos.

This. There are plenty of folks with families and/or careers with long work hours who may want simpler kits to assemble and paint with the limited time they have to dedicate to the hobby. Obviously there are people who can dedicate more time to complex kits; I'm sure some of you fall into this camp like I do, thankfully. But the shift to games with lower model counts, simpler models, and/or shorter play times across the whole hobby recognizes that this setup appeals to many adults who don't have a lot of time on their hands. Some hobby veterans may understandably not like this but the hobby changes as the world changes.

 

The one caveat specific to 40k is that it can be a meta-chasing system, which may be another reason GW has focused on simpler models that are easier for individuals to assemble and paint so they can adapt to the whatever the meta is at the moment. Given that 30k is a narrative-driven experience based around everyone building a unique army with lots of modifications and kitbashing, I hope that GW and Specialist Games makes rules and kits that respect this core element of the game.

 

It's also worth noting Necromunda definitely has not followed GW's trend towards simpler models. I picked up the two Palanite Enforcers kits and the Dark Uprising box and it's impressive the amount of customization you can do with these models. It's also neat to see the authors include random character sheets in each of the books that folks can kitbash together for their own gangs, something I think would do well in 30k where kit bashing characters has emerged as a key part of the game.

I've build Escher, Goliath, Delaque and Orlock and all of these kits where basically monopose models. You can selbst the heads and some arms (not for every body though) but that's it. Those models come in 6-8 parts but there is no reason for it. They are almost like snapfit models but you have to tinker them together which creates the illusion of having a real variety but if you look at it you have very littly jiggeling room for customisation. And this is true for a lot of new GW kits.

I don't want that for HH.

Too late, it’s already happening with some of the the newer FW legion-specific units. I’m working on the Angel’s Tears kits and they have fused legs and torsos. You still can do a lot of customization with the arms for both versions of the kit, which is good because the unit has a lot of options for its weapon load out. That said, they’re not the only example of this trend in FW 30k units; you can see the same thing with other kits like the Deathwing Companions.

 

We’ll see what happens with the new plastic kits but it would be nice to finally see some sprues with extra left arms without hands for melee weapons, pistols, or combi-bolters so you have more modeling options. It’s unlikely since that’s how FW makes money off of the special weapons kits but a man can dream, right?

Edited February 5, 2022 by Cris R

[No Foes Remain]

Macca is a such a jerk to Forge World and about Forge World he should be nowhere near speaking for ‘the community’. He’s radioactive and they are more likely to not do anything or saying if he’s the one badgering them.

That doesn’t make him not a toxic piece of [Redacted]. If someone’s gonna write a big letter ‘for the community’ to Forge World it should be one of the guys that actually has a positive contribution to the Heresy and knows Andy.

He never stated he was speaking for the entire community, he just said that he wanted "share some community sentiment" which could just be from his local community and/or his Facebook/Youtube/Discord community. It wasn't really a letter either but an open post on FW's Facebook page which allowed others to respond to his post as well as FW (which a number of people did).

 

I also fail to see how Macca calling out GW/FW on their BS and crappy practices and not agreeing to everything they do (like some youtubers) makes him toxic, negative yes but I am really getting fed up with people excusing bad practices so having at least someone (who, as Sarabando said, is a manager of his own plastic factory) who has knowledge of the sector, how it works and has done videos explaining it.

 

There is also of no-one knowing what's really going on with FW and 30k at the moment, they seem to have been rolled into specialist games under Andy but as a fan and customer I don't know for certain and with the lack of communication that seems to be their staple lately I doubt we'll get anything until HH 2.0 drops where it will be a video or two and that's it (if the previous releases of AoS/40k/specialist games are anything to go by).

[Chaeron]

I've build Escher, Goliath, Delaque and Orlock and all of these kits where basically monopose models. You can selbst the heads and some arms (not for every body though) but that's it. Those models come in 6-8 parts but there is no reason for it. They are almost like snapfit models but you have to tinker them together which creates the illusion of having a real variety but if you look at it you have very littly jiggeling room for customisation. And this is true for a lot of new GW kits.

I don't want that for HH.

 

As someone who remembers the revamped plastic Space Marine Tactical Squad coming out, and just thinking how many options there were at that time, I'd love to just see that continue. The ability with the most recent Heresy plastics to chop and change - even with the need to pair certain arms - was ideal. I can put on my choice of heavy weapon? Perfect. I can play with the pose further with some modelling? Great. 

 

I completely understand and appreciate the need for quick build and snap fit for getting models on the table - and for certain game types that are more 'board game' in scope. I also recognise how amazing the new possibilities are in terms of quality, detail, and posing. However, I guess my veteran desire to have everything stay the same from a model and rules perspective (or go back to resin line troops!) is probably one that won't be shared by most .

[sarabando]

yeah i started the hobby back when everything was monopose, or just legs/torso/head all as one piece. The multipart marine kit was revolutionary. personally id rather keep things a little more complex, i dont need GW to tell me that they have a 100 piece mini kit when 2/3rds of them are just bits cut in half to make :cuss difficult for 3rd party bits makers. 

[Chaeron]

I'll also be the first person to admit I loved the classic mono-pose Plague Marines - and these have also featured in my Heresy armies in years gone by to fulfil the troop-heavy requirement for what we'd now think of as a Siege onwards era of Heresy gaming.

 

I think having some of those mono-pose models for rank and file Tacticals would be fine - but for Veterans or the like, I'd really want to be able to have the infinite possibilities afforded across the last 20 plus years of kits! 

[Excessus]

It's not like you have that much space in the waist-area to pose the current sets anyway. I don't see the problem with a CSM-box-style release for the Heresy if it gives a few more dynamic poses. Anything other than vaguely similar poses with both feet firmly on the ground would be awesome. 

[sarabando]

It's not like you have that much space in the waist-area to pose the current sets anyway. I don't see the problem with a CSM-box-style release for the Heresy if it gives a few more dynamic poses. Anything other than vaguely similar poses with both feet firmly on the ground would be awesome. 

you have loads of space to pose things but more importantly i can mix any of these kits together to make my minis mine. you give me 10 leg/torsos and 10 sets of arms i have a pretty limited combinations and my army is gonna look pretty similar to any one else's.  (yes i know marine armies always look the same as each other)

[spessmarine]

 

GW would never release something bespoke to kitbash like an IF primaris Housecarl unit with power axes and solarite gauntlet, neo volkite pistols options, to convert yourself in a free 40k campaign supplement. You can't even mix any torso and legs you wish anymore for variety. Its worse on the new CSM kits where the ornate nature repeated so often is telling. 30k is what 40k used to be.

Despite the "no model - no rules" policy, GW does feature low-key kitbashes in many codexes and WD issues (like the infamous GSC orks). The old chapter upgrade sprues are still sold and several have images of primaris witn them (like the DA/BA/SW old upgrades).

EDIT: There's also a 40k SM army purposely made for kitbashes and units with bespoke datasheets/rules: Deathwatch. It allows players to do all kinds of mixed units not allowed to normal chapters.

 

 

See: GK HQs.

 

Unpopular opinion: I hope there's more kits with less parts. Super customization for every model is great for a skirmish game, but I dislike it for a game of grand armies. For example, I'm disinclined towards the Storm of War because is requires a minimum of 40 marines to take advantage of and the older style of marine bodies is a pain to assemble in mass compared to the newer kits. I do want modeling options and opportunities where they matter, but that's not the bulk of an army.

 

I don't want xenos in the game for the simple reason that I like the appeal of this being the Imperial Civil War, brother against brother. Maybe do a War of the Beast or something like that for those who want xenos. 

I dislike assembly so it being shortened is a pro for me. Customizability is more important in things you run one of since it won't get pushed around or melt into an indistinguishable blob.

[sarabando]

 

 

GW would never release something bespoke to kitbash like an IF primaris Housecarl unit with power axes and solarite gauntlet, neo volkite pistols options, to convert yourself in a free 40k campaign supplement. You can't even mix any torso and legs you wish anymore for variety. Its worse on the new CSM kits where the ornate nature repeated so often is telling. 30k is what 40k used to be.

Despite the "no model - no rules" policy, GW does feature low-key kitbashes in many codexes and WD issues (like the infamous GSC orks). The old chapter upgrade sprues are still sold and several have images of primaris witn them (like the DA/BA/SW old upgrades).

EDIT: There's also a 40k SM army purposely made for kitbashes and units with bespoke datasheets/rules: Deathwatch. It allows players to do all kinds of mixed units not allowed to normal chapters.

 

 

See: GK HQs.

 

Unpopular opinion: I hope there's more kits with less parts. Super customization for every model is great for a skirmish game, but I dislike it for a game of grand armies. For example, I'm disinclined towards the Storm of War because is requires a minimum of 40 marines to take advantage of and the older style of marine bodies is a pain to assemble in mass compared to the newer kits. I do want modeling options and opportunities where they matter, but that's not the bulk of an army.

 

I don't want xenos in the game for the simple reason that I like the appeal of this being the Imperial Civil War, brother against brother. Maybe do a War of the Beast or something like that for those who want xenos. 

I dislike assembly so it being shortened is a pro for me. Customizability is more important in things you run one of since it won't get pushed around or melt into an indistinguishable blob.

 

 

problem with this is that every single army looks so bland, go look back at 2nd ed marine armies. 30 guys all in the same pose, 100 gretchin all with the same autogun, theres a reason that the multi pose minis were released and welcomed with open arms. 

 

However i agree that easier to build minis have a place, and tbh that place is in the starter sets aimed at beginners. The newish phobos marines for example, are monopose in the start collecting box and have a propper kit desperately and IMO that is the best way to do it. 

[Gorgoff]

IMO it is possible to create snapfit models with some sort of variety in the possible poses. But since GW makes good money with charakters in different poses (the dreaded one billions Leftenant)that won't happen.

[Mogsam]

10% increase in resin prices today. Oof. Harder than ever to persuade people to heresy

[Astartes Consul]

General question, but has a GW price rise like this ever been reversed? 

 

Absolutely not trying to start discourse about GW/FW prices etc. Just curious because I can't remember.

Edited February 9, 2022 by Astartes Consul

[darkhorse0607]

Not that I can remember, I think the closest it gets is things like the boxed sets (even though those are going up as well given the price of the last few like Eldritch Omens) having lower prices if you pieced them out or FLGS discounts, how long the latter will last will be interesting to see

[Pacific81]

General question, but has a GW price rise like this ever been reversed? 

 

Absolutely not trying to start discourse about GW/FW prices etc. Just curious because I can't remember.

 

I think at one point they stopped the yearly price increases (in the early 10s?) and info release about it, and instead went to a more scattered/incremental approach which was less likely to upset the community (although I'm not sure if that's why they changed that approach, could well be nothing to do with it). I have not kept on top of things in recent years though so that may have changed again since. 

 

I don't think I have ever seen a price go down, even when it became the target of 'intense commentary' like the WHFB Blood Knight boxset that once. I guess it might happen as a result of a misprint perhaps, rather than a decision to reduce based on negative community feedback.

[darkhorse0607]

Interestingly enough, after looking through the new price list (for the UK), I didn't see any Horus Heresy items on there beyond the books. Not sure if there's a separate list but the other specialist games stuff is on there.

 

Here's the link if anyone is curious, still no pricing for the NA side or anywhere else. It's under the Guidance Docs/Order Forms tabs

 

https://trade.games-workshop.com/resources/

[Noserenda]

They do reduce prices, but only by updating or reboxing minis. Changing material is also a big price drop in most cases, less so these days for characters unless they are moving from FW to GW.

I cant think of a time the sticker price ever went down on the same product though and sometimes prices go up from the above too :/ 

[WrathOfTheLion]

Wasn't there a stealth increase on FW just a bit ago? Hopefully not too much further on top of that.

[Astartes Consul]

Yeah I thought I couldn't remember one...

 

Not that I can remember, I think the closest it gets is things like the boxed sets (even though those are going up as well given the price of the last few like Eldritch Omens) having lower prices if you pieced them out or FLGS discounts, how long the latter will last will be interesting to see

 

FLGS discounts are a real staple in keeping the hobby alive outside of cities and large towns IMO, would be mad for them to go.

[sarabando]

at this point it would be smarter to put my hobby budget into actively buying up GW shares and trying to initiate a hostile take over 

[Uprising]

10% increase in resin prices today. Oof. Harder than ever to persuade people to heresy

I disagree, it never been easier.  Recaster and 3d printing will save this dying game, and be cheaper.  Horus Heresy is almost dead, let the fans take it over.  It's time to rest.  

 

 

at this point it would be smarter to put my hobby budget into actively buying up GW shares and trying to initiate a hostile take over 

I bought some during the 2010s, I made a fair bit of money from it.  I would not recommend buying in at this time.  Markets are interesting.  

[MCC]

That doesn’t make him not a toxic piece of [Redacted]. If someone’s gonna write a big letter ‘for the community’ to Forge World it should be one of the guys that actually has a positive contribution to the Heresy and knows Andy.

 

I respect your opinion on Macca but to say he has done nothing positive for the community is completely false. He's put up as of now 81 getting started in the Horus Heresy videos, from the basic how to get started in the game, guides for each legion and reviews every option for each force org slot how is that not positive? They are fantastic to watch if you are getting into the hobby and a source of great information. Whilst he has plenty of videos that are as he admits salty he has just as many positive ones but people like yourself seem to either miss or ignore that fact. Doesn't he also run events in Australia for the heresy? which would seem to me like a positive contribution.

 

Is he salty? Yes undoubtedly but lets face it, as Heresy fans isn't it a bit hard not to be at the moment? We have no idea what is happening to the game and have been offered no information for its future. It hasn't had a book or rules release in how long? People will say its entitled but to me its just good customer service! is the stuff I buy now going to be invalid or out of date in a few months? Lets face it is the roadmap he wanted isn't that much to ask for, especially considering every other game system pretty much has one. Now we also have a 10% rise in prices to contend with too on an already expensive game that they themselves have a high profit margin on. Last years Gross margin was according to this site (https://www.statista.com/statistics/993999/global-gross-margin-of-games-workshop/) 72% meaning they make 72% profit off the models they sell so that Arquitor Bombard were paying £100 is making them £72. Are you telling me they cant take the hit and not raise prices again for the 3rd or 4th year in a row?

 

Lastly i just want to say whether you find someone toxic or not does not make his points any less valid all he wants is what every other system already has.

[lordhellblade]

 

That doesn’t make him not a toxic piece of [Redacted]. If someone’s gonna write a big letter ‘for the community’ to Forge World it should be one of the guys that actually has a positive contribution to the Heresy and knows Andy.

 

I respect your opinion on Macca but to say he has done nothing positive for the community is completely false. He's put up as of now 81 getting started in the Horus Heresy videos, from the basic how to get started in the game, guides for each legion and reviews every option for each force org slot how is that not positive? They are fantastic to watch if you are getting into the hobby and a source of great information. Whilst he has plenty of videos that are as he admits salty he has just as many positive ones but people like yourself seem to either miss or ignore that fact. Doesn't he also run events in Australia for the heresy? which would seem to me like a positive contribution.

 

Is he salty? Yes undoubtedly but lets face it, as Heresy fans isn't it a bit hard not to be at the moment? We have no idea what is happening to the game and have been offered no information for its future. It hasn't had a book or rules release in how long? People will say its entitled but to me its just good customer service! is the stuff I buy now going to be invalid or out of date in a few months? Lets face it is the roadmap he wanted isn't that much to ask for, especially considering every other game system pretty much has one. Now we also have a 10% rise in prices to contend with too on an already expensive game that they themselves have a high profit margin on. Last years Gross margin was according to this site (https://www.statista.com/statistics/993999/global-gross-margin-of-games-workshop/) 72% meaning they make 72% profit off the models they sell so that Arquitor Bombard were paying £100 is making them £72. Are you telling me they cant take the hit and not raise prices again for the 3rd or 4th year in a row?

 

Lastly i just want to say whether you find someone toxic or not does not make his points any less valid all he wants is what every other system already has.

 

Following up on this,   GW/FW has repeatedly   shot themselves in the foot when it comes to the Heresy.   COVID, the demands of other  specialist games, and the tragic passing of Alan Bligh can only excuse so much.

 

On facebook, community servers etc, there seems to be a general conseus  that the Heresy  Needs a Roadmap, that  some Legions are being neglected, that rules need patching and polishing, if not an update to a new edition entirely.   Radio silence was never cutting it, but now?  Its gotten ridiculous.   Literally every other system had a road map or a vague idea or what's going on or going to happen in the near future

 

Heresy?

 

crickets chirping  

 

There's a leaked image of  what might be a new plastic box set and rumors of "2.0"

 

That's it.

 

Furthermore,  if you didn't know any better you'd swear the staff were going out of their way to burn any remaining goodwill with the Heresy community?

 

I mean Maccca's request for a roadmap, getting the generic  "Sounds like a good idea! email it to <x> We'll get back to you soon!"

 

LVO?    Just Kabandha?

 

No interviews, no roadmap, no Legion-specific Praetors, or talk of rules update or anything?

 

 

How long are the WE, DG, and EC Legions- Book 1 legions going to have to wait for the legion specific Praetors?

 

How long are we going to have to wait to get Mark II Armor that's not vehicle crew or corpses back in resin or plastic?

 

A new starters set like BOP?    It's been five years since that came out and  you haven't been able to buy it or the older Betrayal at Calth since 2018

 

 

I honestly don't blame Heresy players for being salty, when other systems are getting new boxes it seems left right and center.  When their most recent content was a 10-15 page pdf  back in January.   When there's been no follow up FAQ's for  the last black book that came out two years ago.

 

Especially because at this point...   I mean there's two Siege of Terra novels left, and probably one or two filler novellas in the vein of Fury of Magnus and Sons of the Selenar.   the Heresy is already behind in terms of editions with the launch of 9th and we're almost a year into that edition,   Heresy is still running 7th edition rules.

 

If their not going to start pumping out content, not just completing the jigsaw in terms of missing units and such, but bordering the frame.  Now

 

When are they going to?   

 

 I mean lets be realistic here, once the Siege is wrapped up, in a year or three will Heresy still have an appeal?   Dawn of  Fire is billed as the "HH but for modern 40k"  so I imagine that's where  BL is going to start putting its energies into, and that's not even getting into a Scouring Series, or any new stuff we don't know yet.

 

Horus Heresy is already a tough sell because of the FW/GW divide.   The Region locked pricing from a few years back is still having a ripple affect today,  especially now with further prices hikes come March.   Further harming the attractiveness is the system is the genuine lack of accessibility.   You can't buy FW products at a GW store, or order them through Amazon.  Sure there's third part websites, but than can only alleviate so much

 

Say your a new Horus Heresy Player.  You want to build up an Imperial Fists force.

 

"Oh $35 USD for that Praetor, that's not so-  $10 USD extra for shipping?  And I need to spend how much to get free shipping?"

 

"Oh, I'd really like some Mark II marines, i'll paint them up in that sick grey and yellow scheme, the book had-

 

"Why is there only Mark  V and VI on the FW website?  Do they want me to buy the old armor through the ages kit 10 times or something?"

 

Lather Rinse Repeat, alter accordingly for Legions lacking units or characters and garnish with  "Why is this game still running 7th edition rules, when fans have drummed up house rules for 8th and 9th in  few months?" 

 

So in conclusion, its no wonder why more and more Heresy fans are increasingly salty, why their turning to recasters, why their moving on to other game systems....   Their being priced out, their being neglected compared to other game systems,  and their apparently not having any concerns or Constructive criticism  being  addressed.     Why do side books like Psychic Awakening get Day 1 or 2 FAQ's and Erratta, but HH fans have to wait months or years for such things, and if they get them, may not even fix the problem or answer their questions?   How come when something for 40k gets leaked, like that Primaris Stormspeeder or the Avatar of Khaine, theirs an article up on Warhammer community before you can blink, but when those images of a potential HH box set leaked, there was only silence and tumbleweeds?

 

GW has come a long way since the seemingly endless bumpy road from 5th-7th edition,  but the Heresy feels left behind,    There has to be communication, there has to be more timely FAQ's there has to be a genuine, sense that there are people who are working on the HH because they love the system and the lore as much as its fans do, and not because their paid to.  

 

No more HH only getting   20-30 minutes of a  multi hour twitch stream.    No more  "Oh we don't have a road map"

 

When there's a preview for HH, come next week, come Adepticon, come  a year from now, whenever, they have to come out the door swinging.  Multiple models,  A Q&A,  a date range for when we can expect stuff, etc etc

 

The have nothing to gain and honestly, everything to lose by continuing like this.   Something's going to give, and sooner and later, enough people are going to wash their hands, not just of the Heresy, but other GW  games because of how they feel their being treated for years on end with no recourse.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[WrathOfTheLion]

Not to dismiss your point but to add to it, 9E launched in like June of 2020, so we're approaching 2 years of 9E soon, not almost 1 year.

 

I don't think keeping silent at this point is helping them at all to come out with a 'bang' for a relaunch, it's just making people that would've jumped on decide to walk away if they have promotional materials for this box and can't it out in like a year and a half.

Edited February 10, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion

[Marshal Rohr]

Just want to point out Resin, specifically the kind they use in Forge World models, actually has increased in price (I do some of my own casting). Almost 30 bucks for some series of SmoothOn resins. Does it justify FW prices? Probably not. But it is one material I know for a fact GW uses in its supply chain that has inflated faster than other things.

[lordhellblade]

Not to dismiss your point but to add to it, 9E launched in like June of 2020, so we're approaching 2 years of 9E soon, not almost 1 year.

 

I don't think keeping silent at this point is helping them at all to come out with a 'bang' for a relaunch, it's just making people that would've jumped on decide to walk away if they have promotional materials for this box and can't it out in like a year and a half.

*checks back on the Warhammer Community*

 

Darn, I guess we are,

 

Oh yes...  And the reply Macca received doesn't help either

 

For reference.   He sent the following 

 

 

"Good evening Forge World, I wanted to share some community sentiment with you. For Warhammer: The Old World, we have a form of roadmap, we know what bases it has, what scale it is. This is a good thing. What do we have for the Horus Heresy currently? We have had mass discontinuation of units over the last 4 years, and what has been released since Book IX is all related to the Siege of Terra. This is a concern as with the Solar Auxillia down on products from 'Last Chance to Buy', the Daemons of the Ruinstorm lacking their actual non-characters (greater daemon Beasts, Greater daemon behemoths, ruinstorm brutes with wings, the list goes on) and with the following legions having no Special Characters or Commander miniatures:

 

-Iron Warriors -Raven Guard -Salamanders

 

The following legions having just 1 character or named character; -Iron Hands -World Eaters -Death Guard

 

What are you plans going forward? Legions like the Imperial Fists have 3 characters, a standard bearer, 2 special characters, both elite legion units and I mean no disrespect to the staff, who have created some lovely miniatures, but the key fundamentals are being neglected. A game is not built upon 3 or 4 legions having all of the toys because you want to present your book series front and centre. It's disastrous for the long term health of the system. We, the fans and people who buy your most expensive range of products would like to know, what is your plan? Nothing more complicated than that, I am not seeking new models this week, I'm not asking for a new rulebook or an FAQ. We are at the point where we are so starved of information, that we simply need an answer beyond "we will ask someone" or "the minute we hear some news, we will let you know". The Heresy anniversary is in September this year, 10 years. We still lack basic essentials, so please, what is the plan?"

 

And in response he got this

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqxdEBIQx8wv6pJ1YQHCAXQ/community?lb=UgkxOXYsuy8yzRU7KzoyhwwTt-6n0bRtR7Lt

 

 

I can think of  a number of things they person answering for FW could have said.   Like don't kid a kidder, we know you have some idea of what your rolling out going forward.   Otherwise we're to assume what?   willful incompetence?  

 

Just for funsies,  If   I was  in this FW's persons shoes here's how I would have replied: 

 

Hey James! we've been getting a number of messages similar to your from our  community.  Rest assured we're hearing what you all want.  We understand the lack of communication  can be annoying, especially compared to other game systems like Necromunda, but we have great things coming for the Horus Heresy this year!

 

I'm not allowed to spoil anything of course, but the team has a road map for the Heresy going forward, and we'll be able to divulge bits and pieces in the weeks ahead, here and on the Warhammer Community.   While in these turbulent times, we cannot guaranteed that dates won't be moved around,  but in the next few months. there are many new and exciting things coming  to help capture the scale and grandeur of the setting and ensure  all the Legions have the tools and the toys for exciting, thematic gameplay!

 

We understand that events of these past few years have shaken the community's confidence in our ability to deliver the quality you expect from us, and we are working day and night to restore you confidence in the brand you have invested your time and money in.

 

All we ask is a bit more patience because what the studio is cooking up will be  worth the wait.

 

Have a lovely day and feel free to email us at forgeworld@gwplc.com  if you have any more questions or feedback to give.   We really appreciate it when our customers and fans reach out,  without it, we wouldn't be able to give you the products and services you deserve!

 

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Not to toot my own horn, but I would be a bit more confident if FW was providing messages like the one I made up and wrote out in like five minutes.   

 

 

Not    "We don't have plans for a roadmap."

 

 

Like... Even if you honestly didn't have a plan, you think telling people that is going to encourage them to  BUY! BUY! BUY!.

 

 

It's not.