bushman101 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 For BA, they could do Wardens which would be alternate Chaplains. They are mentioned a few times, I think in Fear to Tread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 That's actually a nice idea. I don't know too much about the Blood Angels specifically but unique Legion Consul types would be a nice way to change things up from just Destroyers and Terminators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) That's actually a nice idea. I don't know too much about the Blood Angels specifically but unique Legion Consul types would be a nice way to change things up from just Destroyers and Terminators.And triggers everyone who is exited to get a Terminator or Destroyer unit. ;) Edited February 13, 2022 by Gorgoff Chaoself, MegaVolt87 and Corswain 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) Well the SW already have their unique Terminators and the Deathsworn are their unique Destroyer unit. I wouldn't mind seeing a special Tartaros Wolf unit though, especially if they could take power/Frost harpoons. Edited February 13, 2022 by Hfran Morkai Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Well the SW already have their unique Terminators and the Deathsworn are theie unique Destroyer unit. I wouldn't mind seeing a special Tartaros Wolf unit though, especially if they could take power/Frost harpoons. Me neither. I am happy for every new unit Hfran Morkai and Arendious 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 As Joe linked for Fafnir Rann, looks like they've got new box art for the 30k game system Looking at the Sigismund novel, it looks like the new logo isn't being used for Black Library, just the 30k game. Asbestress, Hfran Morkai, Petitioner's City and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 I think I might pick up the two celebration models. I don't collect either Legion but it might be nice to do a couple of one-off characters as a little break. I think I still have Ahriman and Geigor around somewhere too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkhorse0607 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 In before everyone gets their hopes up again because they just changed a box, start saying it's a sign before we inevitably get more silence from Forgeworld, and then everyone gets bitter again Lord Marshal and Noserenda 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Fafnir Rann looks so great! Not sure I can avoid buying him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 What a handsome first captain. Just needs hair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 That’s some nice packaging, a herald of things to come :D Asbestress 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) When is Adepticon? If nothing of substance is there, at the latest if any new HH is happening it could just hot drop in Sept since its the HH 10th anniversary. If not- then riot. Edited February 13, 2022 by MegaVolt87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkhorse0607 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 The Warhammer preview for Adepticon is March 23rd Petitioner's City 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) In before everyone gets their hopes up again because they just changed a box, start saying it's a sign before we inevitably get more silence from Forgeworld, and then everyone gets bitter again I take it to ignore what they say (or lack of what they say...) and look at what they do. We could see for a bit now that things scaled down in release, with a shift to only character models. Then we see them start these monthly campaigns (probably indicated a delay), now we see them release box art like for a supported game system, with a logo change and rebranding (like with 'New 40k' and 'New AoS' 9E/3E respectively). Any timelines on this is anyone's guess, but I personally have been noting the release rate drop in anticipation to stuff here since 2020. We had a previous thread at one point where I did some of the math on that. Edited February 13, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 That doesn’t make him not a toxic piece of [Redacted]. If someone’s gonna write a big letter ‘for the community’ to Forge World it should be one of the guys that actually has a positive contribution to the Heresy and knows Andy. I respect your opinion on Macca but to say he has done nothing positive for the community is completely false. He's put up as of now 81 getting started in the Horus Heresy videos, from the basic how to get started in the game, guides for each legion and reviews every option for each force org slot how is that not positive? They are fantastic to watch if you are getting into the hobby and a source of great information. Whilst he has plenty of videos that are as he admits salty he has just as many positive ones but people like yourself seem to either miss or ignore that fact. Doesn't he also run events in Australia for the heresy? which would seem to me like a positive contribution. Is he salty? Yes undoubtedly but lets face it, as Heresy fans isn't it a bit hard not to be at the moment? We have no idea what is happening to the game and have been offered no information for its future. It hasn't had a book or rules release in how long? People will say its entitled but to me its just good customer service! is the stuff I buy now going to be invalid or out of date in a few months? Lets face it is the roadmap he wanted isn't that much to ask for, especially considering every other game system pretty much has one. Now we also have a 10% rise in prices to contend with too on an already expensive game that they themselves have a high profit margin on. Last years Gross margin was according to this site (https://www.statista.com/statistics/993999/global-gross-margin-of-games-workshop/) 72% meaning they make 72% profit off the models they sell so that Arquitor Bombard were paying £100 is making them £72. Are you telling me they cant take the hit and not raise prices again for the 3rd or 4th year in a row? Lastly i just want to say whether you find someone toxic or not does not make his points any less valid all he wants is what every other system already has. Following up on this, GW/FW has repeatedly shot themselves in the foot when it comes to the Heresy. COVID, the demands of other specialist games, and the tragic passing of Alan Bligh can only excuse so much. On facebook, community servers etc, there seems to be a general conseus that the Heresy Needs a Roadmap, that some Legions are being neglected, that rules need patching and polishing, if not an update to a new edition entirely. Radio silence was never cutting it, but now? Its gotten ridiculous. Literally every other system had a road map or a vague idea or what's going on or going to happen in the near future Heresy? crickets chirping There's a leaked image of what might be a new plastic box set and rumors of "2.0" That's it. Furthermore, if you didn't know any better you'd swear the staff were going out of their way to burn any remaining goodwill with the Heresy community? I mean Maccca's request for a roadmap, getting the generic "Sounds like a good idea! email it to <x> We'll get back to you soon!" LVO? Just Kabandha? No interviews, no roadmap, no Legion-specific Praetors, or talk of rules update or anything? How long are the WE, DG, and EC Legions- Book 1 legions going to have to wait for the legion specific Praetors? How long are we going to have to wait to get Mark II Armor that's not vehicle crew or corpses back in resin or plastic? A new starters set like BOP? It's been five years since that came out and you haven't been able to buy it or the older Betrayal at Calth since 2018 I honestly don't blame Heresy players for being salty, when other systems are getting new boxes it seems left right and center. When their most recent content was a 10-15 page pdf back in January. When there's been no follow up FAQ's for the last black book that came out two years ago. Especially because at this point... I mean there's two Siege of Terra novels left, and probably one or two filler novellas in the vein of Fury of Magnus and Sons of the Selenar. the Heresy is already behind in terms of editions with the launch of 9th and we're almost a year into that edition, Heresy is still running 7th edition rules. If their not going to start pumping out content, not just completing the jigsaw in terms of missing units and such, but bordering the frame. Now When are they going to? No more HH only getting 20-30 minutes of a multi hour twitch stream. No more "Oh we don't have a road map" When there's a preview for HH, come next week, come Adepticon, come a year from now, whenever, they have to come out the door swinging. Multiple models, A Q&A, a date range for when we can expect stuff, etc etc The have nothing to gain and honestly, everything to lose by continuing like this. Something's going to give, and sooner and later, enough people are going to wash their hands, not just of the Heresy, but other GW games because of how they feel their being treated for years on end with no recourse. I suspect we are not seeing a roadmap simply because there isnt one, not internally either, and that is borne out by what we have seen the last few years. Outer Circle did a video on the output since 2012 last week and it basically shows in numbers, what everyone already sees. There is one possible other reason for there being no roadmap, and that would be that the repeated rumors are true and there is a boxset with new supplements coming and thats all planned as a "surprise launch". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I've gotta be honest here...the endless complaining from this community is starting to grate on me. I was excited to see the new Exemplary Battles PDF today until I saw the first comment on the FB thread was asking about the plastic box set. Like, GW is not going to respond to that question in that venue. All signs point to a big heresy reveal at Adepticon. That's like a month away. If there's nothing substantial shown there then sure, melt down. But until then, I wish everyone would just chill out. I really agree! I think the insular nature of our communities (online in whatever form) does breed this negativity growth circuit. I wish people could just take a chill pill and relax. We still have a wonderful game, we have fantastic fan made content and we have great content coming from the studio, and we clearly know (however much we shouldn't have that secret knowledge) that something big, ie all that plastic, is happening. What I will say is that by way of comparison to others I don't find the 30k communities really that negative at all. I know you occasionally get the "why I think 30k should follow 9th edition" item, where the poor bolten-ridden body of the poster is found some days later when it is dredged from the river, but for the most part it is very positive and you have a lot of hobby/miniature painting posting vs. discussion of the 'virtues' of the game, so I think forums of that sort are generally more pleasant places to be. I'm basing this on comparisons to Game of Thrones (a song of ice and fire) for example where I assume the developers must live in witness protection programmes with fake identities looking at some of the posts and demands made by the community. And the 40k community is just the 40k community. I remember complaints back before the internet really existed of a guy shouting off in a GW store about marines going from T3 to T4 and how everyone would play marines because of it (I guess he got that right!) - there is such a voluminous community of all sorts of people that you will always find trouble or discord if you go looking for it. Personally I get my annoyed with the "can't believe people are complaining about X" high-fiving posts which are the only ones I ever see, rather than the complaint posts themselves! WrathOfTheLion and zedmeister 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) Oh those poor lads wanting Heresy to be 8th Edition 9th Edition, always get chewed up I hope when they do the new release and stuff, they just stick to their own thing. Whatever that own thing happens to be, there's no way FW/30k can keep up with the fast paced 40k stuff, by the time they're 'ported' to 9E, 11E is out and it still won't get the people that want it to follow the newest thing. So that's just an ever-missing target. It's been a year and a half now since the last black book, they need to be able to control their own pace if they want it to be successful. Edited February 15, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion MegaVolt87, Pacific81 and zedmeister 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) Fafnir Rann's rules are out: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/0R3Pca19VH8bbmn8.pdf Honestly looks pretty good. He wont be winning any duels vs your usual suspects but 4 S6 Ap2 attacks at initiative (with shield) means he can punch pretty well and would require an ID or S9 weapon to instakill him; especially in a challenge where IF's Blood and Honor and his own Master-Crafted make his odds at getting hits in pretty good. Up to 7 S5 Ap2 Attacks at initiative with twinned axes is also pretty decent for clearing out less durable units. With a unit of Phalanx Warders with him and being the Warlord he jumps up to WS7 on the charge or when charged (Phalanx Warders shield wall). The free D3+3 S5 auto-hit attacks are a nice little bonus to encourage you to play to his fluff. Edited February 15, 2022 by Slips Loquille, WrathOfTheLion, SkimaskMohawk and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 He’d be brutal as the warlord in a Zone Mortalis game; which makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I think he is over pointed, I would have made him 180pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman101 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 * waits for Zephon's rules* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I think he is over pointed, I would have made him 180pts. Why? He can fight 2+ armour at initiative, buff units across board, unlocks the FOC and can be an extremely good tank. What makes him overcosted, especially compared to sigismund Brother Sutek 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) I think he is over pointed, I would have made him 180pts. Why? He can fight 2+ armour at initiative, buff units across board, unlocks the FOC and can be an extremely good tank. What makes him overcosted, especially compared to sigismund A 200 pt HQ where you want to take pricy wardens and breachers eats up a lot of points to me. EDIT- Rhan, x2 breachers, x1 wardens= 855 pts base no upgrades. Thats a big investment IMO. Edited February 16, 2022 by MegaVolt87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I think he is over pointed, I would have made him 180pts. Why? He can fight 2+ armour at initiative, buff units across board, unlocks the FOC and can be an extremely good tank. What makes him overcosted, especially compared to sigismund A 200 pt HQ where you want to take pricy wardens and breachers eats up a lot of points to me. EDIT- Rhan, x2 breachers, x1 wardens= 855 pts base no upgrades. Thats a big investment IMO. Imho, Skip out on Stone Gauntlet and just give Rann a bodyguard unit of Experimental Rule Warders. Take another RoW instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 There’s no war breachers stay super pricey in the new rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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