New Imperial Fists Praetors!

[Robbienw]

The terminator is absolutely massive, he is far more upscaled than his power armoured counterpart released alongside him! :lol:

[Chapter Master Valrak]

Did a video on them to Old Variants and Primaris, THIS LAD IS CHUNKY!



Video if anyone is interested

[Robbienw]

The power armoured praetor seems similar in height to recent 30k power armoured models, don’t think he really counts as new upscaling.

[SkimaskMohawk]

I think there definitely is an upscaling, but it's been a bit of a slow process, because most of it has been in the form of characters; we all tend to give them the pass as it helps them feel more important without resorting to the infamous tactical rock or mountain of a cork base.

 

The most recent unit releases were the DA and there were mentions of scale creep back then, but it was kind of ignored because it was a split release across almost a year and a lot of focus was shifted. But now with the leaked pictures we're seeing larger marines far more consistently and it's starting to look like a soft scale replacement.

 

Which would be fine from purely aesthetics, but most of us here have legion armies that can be dated back to the early 2010s and just aren't dark Angels or blood Angels with a ton of their special units. I know personally I don't like using Primaris and firstborn in the same lists in 40k because the scale is jarring and I'm concerned the same thing might happen here.

[Excessus]

I just wish that FW would communicate their intentions in this case...and many other cases... :(

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I’m loving the new scale and hope it’s a trend. Looks fantastic to me.

[Doghouse]

I've not seen them in person but based on the images I think they could do with a little bulk, the power armoured praetor feels stretched to me.

[Lord Marshal]

Some scale creep over the years is to be expected, but the 30k line isn't even ten years old at this point and the plastics only around four. Is this going to be the new normal, wherein every five or so years things get cranked up and up rather than expecting any longevity out of models? Hell, the Alpha Legion Praetors aren't even a year old yet and there's shots floating around of them being noticeably smaller overall compared to the Fists.

 

Yeah, sure, people will say "well none is forcing you to buy them!" but like Primaris, almost none doesn't go out and buy the new stuff in order to keep up with the scale - although I guess that's more on the people who gripe but buy anyway rather than GW for just doing what's obviously an effective strategy to make money. 

Edited September 4, 2021 by Lord Marshal

[Noserenda]

I think the problem is they see the insane sales figures of Primaris and assume we just want TALLEST MARINES when really it was the better proportions that sold that range i think, they could have sorted those and kept new Heresy releases in scale with the existing ranges, but then i suppose that wouldnt encourage some folks to buy whole new armies... *sigh* 

[No Foes Remain]

Macca from The Outer Circle did a video on this scale and had an image of the Praetor next to Dorn and I'm not joking he's almost should level with Dorn's small chucky base bit.

Screen cap from the video (sorry for quality).

Edit: Posted too soon. But I've been talking with a mate and we honestly think this is some kind of error from the 3d master they printed. Printed the model too large which they then used to make the master mold and already started production and either noticed too late or didn't notice.

Edited September 4, 2021 by No Foes Remain

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

There are some Marines that are quite large compared to others such as a Wolf Blade in one of the Ragnar novels - it’s not a big deal… and Macca doesn’t like anything really.

[Frater Antodeniel]

Interresting Fact, to remind everyone, regarding space marine size and their personal power armours :

 

In the Lore it is stated numerous times that some space marines are above standard, even in chapters whose gene-seeds is not only marked by the variety of genetic material it can support, but also known for the change it can induce on some physical traits.

 

For the best example at hand, regarding the Imperial Fist, there is the case of Alexis Polux. A giant amongst his Astartes kind, who, if i remember correctly, was nearly as tall as a Guilliman.

 

Other examples i remember can be found in the Flesh Tearers (Harahel), Space Wolves, Carcharodons (Tyberos), even Ultramarines (Pasanius).

 

So in the end, Space Marines are not clones (except in some chapters depending on the gene-seed and base material), but instead are subject to differences, both physicals and psychologicals.

[Noserenda]

Are you seriously suggesting that for some reason certain legions only promote the tallest members to high command?

"Im sorry brother, even with a tactical rock youll never rise above sergeant unless you can crest 8ft" :D 

Edited September 4, 2021 by Noserenda

[Cris R]

This sounds like the premise of a Heresy Lifetime movie where the shortest marine in the legion gets picked on and passed over for promotions due to his height even though he works harder than his battle brothers. All this changes the day of the legion’s biggest battle when all the HQs fall ill or have injuries, leaving the marine’s Praetor to say “alright Brother Scipio, looks like you’re the only leader we’ve got, go get ‘em.” Even though the battle is fierce, the marine leads his army to victory and is carried off by his battle brothers into the sunset.

Back to the topic, I now need to see the size of the UM Terminator Praetor who definitely looks like he’s going to be the chonkiest guy on the block.

Edited September 5, 2021 by Cris R

[Marshal Loss]

Bit of a mixed bag. Love the bigger and better-proportioned marines, don't like how it leaves some of the older sculpts in the range looking alongside them.

 

Individual examples (particularly as this was evidently Sam Egan's first digital sculpts) may vary though, so we'll have to see how things settle when the relaunch is under way. But this definitely makes me far less likely to buy older units.

Edited September 4, 2021 by Marshal Loss

[Khornestar]

Had long abandoned HH products due to tiny tiny scale and goofy proportions/poses. Hopefully the new WB praetors match this new scale? More of a trend, if yes? Edited September 6, 2021 by Juggernut

[Robbienw]

The WB Praetors will match the scale of the IF power armour praetor.  Not the terminator though, i think people would have noticed if the WB terminator qas gigantic like the IF one!

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

It’s fun to discuss scale .

[Khornestar]

It’s fun to discuss scale .

Yes, it’s fun to be aware of the forum rules and stay on topic.

[Slips]

SInce I've got mine built and stuff, heres some size comparisons for those that might want them:

Edited September 13, 2021 by Slips

[jaxom]

Mine just came today; adding to the size comparison pics.

 

 

 

It's about the same height at the hip as a Primaris Marine and a Tortuga MkIII. The torso seems a little longer than the Tortuga MkIII.

[Vazzy]

As someone who is doing Tortuga fists, I’m very glad at the size. He absolutely towers over the marines on his base and it’s super satisfying. Compared to regular marines though, and it’s a bit appalling.

[Gorgoff]

Mine just came today; adding to the size comparison pics.

 

 

 

It's about the same height at the hip as a Primaris Marine and a Tortuga MkIII. The torso seems a little longer than the Tortuga MkIII.

Man those are thicc legs. I guess that's the whole problem with that model.

[Mogsam]

I picked up some Angels Tears for a conversion and they're also huge.

[Irate Khornate]

Now that's a marine that required refurbished dreadnought parts for armor.