Kill-Team New Edition Box

[Lord Marshal]

I dunno, the Goonhammer review of the Compendium seemed pretty positive. Sounds like the teams really work well against each other. Not sure how they’ll stack up against Kommandos/DKoK and the other purpose-designed ones, but it hardly seems burning or pointless.

 

Aren't Goonhammer pretty much always positive about their GW freebies now though?

[Lexington]

Aren't Goonhammer pretty much always positive about their GW freebies now though?

I haven’t been reading them for very long, but that’s not been my experience. They’re pretty open about feelings like “this Codex is broken,” and have arguably been the leading voice calling for GW to FAQ the Mechanicus and Dark Eldar books. They don’t out-and-out trash things as far as I can tell, but they hardly hold back when they think something isn’t made well.

[Noserenda]

Yeah Goonhammer are pretty straight shooting with their reviews and tactica. They are fans obviously which is going to skew positive, but they arent afraid to call out nonsense.

[Boyadventurer]

Oof, watched what I needed from the GMG vid on the compendium and am pretty disappointed. The sort of "buy a box/play a box" notion is nice for lowering the bar of entry, but doesn't offer a whole lot to me. Just running a squad of the same astartes doesn't really feel like KT to me, just tiny scale 40k. Deathwatch is a *little* better (you can't even throw us a bone with a Black Shield though? Come on). But then jumping to the equipment section, which looked to be the big customization part of list building now, most of its is just the special stuff for reivers/incursors. At least I can use an Auspex now, so finally have a use for my kitbashed homage to the old metal Veteran Sergeant model.

 

This was getting me excited again for 40k after the hype was kinda killed with the crazy long wait for some of the SM kits (we ONLY just got Heavy Intercessors at my local shops a few weeks ago). Its dropping quick again. Hopefully when more squad boxes come out, those will flesh things out a bit more.

Edit: I do recall hearing the compendium likened to the 8th ed Indexes that came out at the start, so hopefully with more KT boxes and new zones, things will get a lot better.

Edited August 14, 2021 by Boyadventurer

[Dark Shepherd]

Anyone got any pics of the marine/deathwatch Equipment as in the stuff you spend the Equipment Points on?

[Boyadventurer]

Anyone got any pics of the marine/deathwatch Equipment as in the stuff you spend the Equipment Points on?

Edit: here's a good vid with a clear view, but its zoomed in and scrolling, so I'm not going to post a dozen pics hah. https://youtu.be/DWgKYTP1q0U?t=1078

 

Auxillary Grenade Launcher

Helix Gauntlet

Smoke Grenade

Haywire Mine

Shock Grenade

Frag Grenade

Krak Grenade

Purity Seal - Free reroll

Suspensor System - Can move better with heavy weapon

Grapnel Launcher

Grav Chute

Auspex - Makes a weapon ignore cover

Edited August 14, 2021 by Boyadventurer

[Master Sheol]

From what i can see the Compendium looks pretty poor and underwhelming

KT native squads (krieng vets and Ork Kommandos) have a great edge over the codex born KTs

 

In my gaming group we decided to bypass this game and keep playing the previous KT

[brother_b]

 

In my gaming group we decided to bypass this game and keep playing the previous KT

 

That's the most important part. Play what and how you like.

 

We never liked the old KT, it didn't kick off. I hope the new KT is better for our group.

[Maschinenpriester]

From what i can see the Compendium looks pretty poor and underwhelming

KT native squads (krieng vets and Ork Kommandos) have a great edge over the codex born KTs

 

In my gaming group we decided to bypass this game and keep playing the previous KT

This could happen to my group too. We will give it a shot.

But some people in my group only playe KT and no 40k and therefore have uniquely modeled Kill teams konsisting of very mixed units, that cannot be used with these rules.

 

I think it is just really important ignoring pariah Nexus, because it kind of destroys the balance of KT with the updates for necrons and SM.

Edited August 14, 2021 by Maschinenpriester

[Dark Shepherd]

 

 

Anyone got any pics of the marine/deathwatch Equipment as in the stuff you spend the Equipment Points on?

Edit: here's a good vid with a clear view, but its zoomed in and scrolling, so I'm not going to post a dozen pics hah.

 

Auxillary Grenade Launcher

Helix Gauntlet

Smoke Grenade

Haywire Mine

Shock Grenade

Frag Grenade

Krak Grenade

Purity Seal - Free reroll

Suspensor System - Can move better with heavy weapon

Grapnel Launcher

Grav Chute

Auspex - Makes a weapon ignore cover

Cheers. Not much there for firstborns but the grenades are very useful for melee operatives

[Firedrake Cordova]

Looks like the first few listings by box-splitters are up on e-Bay ... £50 for the Orks or Krieg models, and £65-90 for the terrain. I can't help but feel they're being "optimistic", or hoping to cash in on those who can't wait ...

[Master Sheol]

 

From what i can see the Compendium looks pretty poor and underwhelming

KT native squads (krieng vets and Ork Kommandos) have a great edge over the codex born KTs

 

In my gaming group we decided to bypass this game and keep playing the previous KT

This could happen to my group too. We will give it a shot.

But some people in my group only playe KT and no 40k and therefore have uniquely modeled Kill teams konsisting of very mixed units, that cannot be used with these rules.

 

I think it is just really important ignoring pariah Nexus, because it kind of destroys the balance of KT with the updates for necrons and SM.

 

Yes because GW didnt finished the previous edition of KT with update of SM stats to push a new game that is based on dedicated boxes

 

When the first news about this game came out i had the sensation that this was a second rate Necromunda like game and i had confirmation of that

In my gaming group necromunda never got interest and this KT too for the same reason

We want a KT that is a different way of playing 40K full integrated into a 40K campaign and not a stand alone game with his own rules and miniatures

[Lysimachus]

I think it is just really important ignoring pariah Nexus, because it kind of destroys the balance of KT with the updates for necrons and SM.

I agree with you on 'crons... but I think Marines needed the update. Maybe forget the ridiculously underpriced Heavy Intercessors, but 2-wound Marines and stuff were a good thing.

[Master Sheol]

 

Anyone got any pics of the marine/deathwatch Equipment as in the stuff you spend the Equipment Points on?

Edit: here's a good vid with a clear view, but its zoomed in and scrolling, so I'm not going to post a dozen pics hah. https://youtu.be/DWgKYTP1q0U?t=1078

 

Auxillary Grenade Launcher

Helix Gauntlet

Smoke Grenade

Haywire Mine

Shock Grenade

Frag Grenade

Krak Grenade

Purity Seal - Free reroll

Suspensor System - Can move better with heavy weapon

Grapnel Launcher

Grav Chute

Auspex - Makes a weapon ignore cover

 

Why the intercessor grenade launcher is an equipment while the plasma gun is a weapon option?

The EP system applied to the Astartes looks like more a Nerf Point system cause the SM are heavily nerfed with these rules

And i know why

because in the last quarter of 2021 they will sell a SM KT dedicated box full of goodies to push the SM players to buy it if they want to have a chance in KT

[Maschinenpriester]

 

I think it is just really important ignoring pariah Nexus, because it kind of destroys the balance of KT with the updates for necrons and SM.

I agree with you on 'crons... but I think Marines needed the update. Maybe forget the ridiculously underpriced Heavy Intercessors, but 2-wound Marines and stuff were a good thing.

In general I would agree. But CSM, TS, DG, GK are all stuck with on wound forever because there will be no further update. So all you can do is housrule stuff and there are no official points cost for all these factions.

 

So my argument is more or less not using it because SM got their well needed wound, but because others did not get it and still need it and therefore some factions are disadvantaged.

Edited August 14, 2021 by Maschinenpriester

[Redcomet]

 

 

Anyone got any pics of the marine/deathwatch Equipment as in the stuff you spend the Equipment Points on?

Edit: here's a good vid with a clear view, but its zoomed in and scrolling, so I'm not going to post a dozen pics hah. https://youtu.be/DWgKYTP1q0U?t=1078

 

Auxillary Grenade Launcher

Helix Gauntlet

Smoke Grenade

Haywire Mine

Shock Grenade

Frag Grenade

Krak Grenade

Purity Seal - Free reroll

Suspensor System - Can move better with heavy weapon

Grapnel Launcher

Grav Chute

Auspex - Makes a weapon ignore cover

 

Why the intercessor grenade launcher is an equipment while the plasma gun is a weapon option?

The EP system applied to the Astartes looks like more a Nerf Point system cause the SM are heavily nerfed with these rules

And i know why

because in the last quarter of 2021 they will sell a SM KT dedicated box full of goodies to push the SM players to buy it if they want to have a chance in KT

 

Yes. It is on purpose thar the Compendium is lackluster to bad.

[Aramis K]

Well I like the sound of the fireteam system, with selection from a rosta and equipment added once the scenario and opposition are known. I hope people give it a good try.

 

Always wanted kill team to be about my dudes, troops doing heroic stuff not elites and heroes. The basic stuff is cool. Krak grenades, chainswords, a shuriken catapult, a pulse blaster. This stuff.

[Master Sheol]

Well I like the sound of the fireteam system, with selection from a rosta and equipment added once the scenario and opposition are known. I hope people give it a good try.

 

Always wanted kill team to be about my dudes, troops doing heroic stuff not elites and heroes. The basic stuff is cool. Krak grenades, chainswords, a shuriken catapult, a pulse blaster. This stuff.

In the launch box there are two élite veterani units

So KT is not a game about regular dudes but about veteran dudes

This is how GW presented it

The regular units in the Compendium are just placeholders until boxes of veterans for each faction will come out

 

Thisis the plan of GW and it's clear under the sun

[Dark Shepherd]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone got any pics of the marine/deathwatch Equipment as in the stuff you spend the Equipment Points on?

Edit: here's a good vid with a clear view, but its zoomed in and scrolling, so I'm not going to post a dozen pics hah.

 

Auxillary Grenade Launcher

Helix Gauntlet

Smoke Grenade

Haywire Mine

Shock Grenade

Frag Grenade

Krak Grenade

Purity Seal - Free reroll

Suspensor System - Can move better with heavy weapon

Grapnel Launcher

Grav Chute

Auspex - Makes a weapon ignore cover

Why the intercessor grenade launcher is an equipment while the plasma gun is a weapon option?

The EP system applied to the Astartes looks like more a Nerf Point system cause the SM are heavily nerfed with these rules

And i know why

because in the last quarter of 2021 they will sell a SM KT dedicated box full of goodies to push the SM players to buy it if they want to have a chance in KT

Yes. It is on purpose thar the Compendium is lackluster to bad.

Theyve the option of cashing in on a supplement to introduce more options eg BA DA SW and anything else as well or instead of eg missions, equipment.

 

Lots of new release options for Teams and not just in new warzone boxes. Plenty of marine hay to be made; firstborn scouts, specialist new primaris, new Deathwatch teams, Chapter specific teams

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

Did anyone see a side-by-side comparision of the plastic DKoK and the FW originals?

[Bev'an]

Did anyone see a side-by-side comparision of the plastic DKoK and the FW originals?

Yeah seen one somewhere, same size I think I remember

[Shovellovin]

 

Has anyone seen a comparison of the new plastic Krieg models compared to the Forge World resin models? Is there a big difference in size?

 

I hope some of the discontinued Krieg stuff gets brought back.

Comparison photo by Jaxom from an earlier octarius thread.

 

 

 

 

Did anyone see a side-by-side comparision of the plastic DKoK and the FW originals?

see above

[Halandaar]

Has anyone seen an actual photo of two minis side by side, rather than an approximation formed from two different photos taken at different angles?

[Aramis K]

 

Well I like the sound of the fireteam system, with selection from a rosta and equipment added once the scenario and opposition are known. I hope people give it a good try.

 

Always wanted kill team to be about my dudes, troops doing heroic stuff not elites and heroes. The basic stuff is cool. Krak grenades, chainswords, a shuriken catapult, a pulse blaster. This stuff.

In the launch box there are two élite veterani units

So KT is not a game about regular dudes but about veteran dudes

This is how GW presented it

The regular units in the Compendium are just placeholders until boxes of veterans for each faction will come out

 

Thisis the plan of GW and it's clear under the sun

Veteran isn't the same as elite. What I mean is there is a big difference between a guardsman with a lasgun and a Librarian in terminator armour, and I'm glad the avg power is lower and more grounded.

[Master Sheol]

 

 

Well I like the sound of the fireteam system, with selection from a rosta and equipment added once the scenario and opposition are known. I hope people give it a good try.

 

Always wanted kill team to be about my dudes, troops doing heroic stuff not elites and heroes. The basic stuff is cool. Krak grenades, chainswords, a shuriken catapult, a pulse blaster. This stuff.

In the launch box there are two élite veterani units

So KT is not a game about regular dudes but about veteran dudes

This is how GW presented it

The regular units in the Compendium are just placeholders until boxes of veterans for each faction will come out

 

Thisis the plan of GW and it's clear under the sun

Veteran isn't the same as elite. What I mean is there is a big difference between a guardsman with a lasgun and a Librarian in terminator armour, and I'm glad the avg power is lower and more grounded.

 

This is why SM killteams can field Heavy Intercessors :D