Kill-Team New Edition Box

[Boytoy]

My wishlist for killteams:

-DE mandrakes

-Tau auxiliaries (kroot, veapid, guevesa, etc.)

-SM scouts

-Guardians/dire Avengers dual kit

-Eldar rangers

-noise marines

-chosen

-other guard regiments (tallarn, catachans, vostroyans)

-Lictors? Idk, but nids need something

-faction specific SM primaris units (Death company, wolfguard, etc)

 

That's enough for the next 5 quarterly releases at least. Hopefully we get some of them!

[tentagil]

My wishlist for killteams:

-DE mandrakes

-Tau auxiliaries (kroot, veapid, guevesa, etc.)

-SM scouts

-Guardians/dire Avengers dual kit

-Eldar rangers

-noise marines

-chosen

-other guard regiments (tallarn, catachans, vostroyans)

-Lictors? Idk, but nids need something

-faction specific SM primaris units (Death company, wolfguard, etc)

 

That's enough for the next 5 quarterly releases at least. Hopefully we get some of them!

 

Space Marines are almost certainly going to get a Deathwatch box at some point. I think some kind of Raven Guard box would be cool as well based on their lore. Though I'm not holding my breath for it. I feel like they are working on soft killing SM scouts, so I don't see that happening. But maybe as a way to sell out any remaining product.

[ThePenitentOne]

Big question is will the kill zones be a box with campaign book plus terrain sans rulebook OR also including 2 new kill teams?

 

My guess is the latter as theres more profit in that. Then the teams come out separately 4-6 months later.

Plus 40k campaign books and crusade packs dont seem to be doing great

 

If you look at Octarius, there's basically five things you're getting: three groups of models (2 Teams and Terrain), a campaign book which includes rules for the teams and terrain plus missions and fluff, and the core book.

 

Now off the hop, none of the quarterly sets from here on in will need to include the core book, so price drops. Also, it's the launch box status of Octarius that creates the "Everyone gets it guarantee." This isn't guaranteed to be there for quarterly boxes.

 

In order to consider buying a quarterly box, ideally, you'd want all 3 groups of models in it, right? If you did, you're almost guaranteed to buy it.

Now if you only wanted 2 of the groups of models, you still MIGHT buy it, but you also might not.

If you only want 1 group of models, chances are you're not buying.

 

If, on the other hand, you release separates, EVERYONE who wants just one group of models will buy it. The price will ALSO be slightly higher than it would if you bought the box. That makes this the actual, money-making sweet spot. Additionally, MOST people who want two kits will buy both (again, at non-discounted prices). So separates actually do seem to have better potential for profit, though GW would lose money on people who want all 3 kits, because at undiscounted prices, people MIGHT decide to only buy the two kits they want most.

 

So the best way to make money is a hybrid system where they release the box in a limited run and follow it with separates. This way, you use the limited box to generate hype and create FOMO; anyone who wants one of these boxes and doesn't get it will likely end up buying 2 or 3 of the separate kits when they come. And the separates will sell to all the folks who didn't want all 3 kits.

 

The only hang up to this hybrid method is that GW would have to invest in more packaging and logistics to make it happen; they'd also need rules for each of the three kits as standalones; they may remedy this expense by not combining team and terrain rules into the same book for the big box- instead they'd just put all three tiny books in the box.

 

They other thing they'll struggle with is timing. You want the Fomo box to have some time where it is the only source for the new models and rules in order to maximize the Fomo. But if you wait too long to release the separates, you're into the next quarter, and people may skip buying the separates in favour of the new box- and that's a ton of lost revenue.

 

So my guess is FOMO box preorder one or two weeks BEFORE the quarter begins, so that the box drops in week one. Preorder for separates in week 4 for arrival in the first week of month two. This gives FOMO 4 weeks of air time before the masses jump in, and it gives everyone a month and a half of playtime before next quarter's hype and preorder.

 

This makes WAAAYYY more money than just four big boxes a year.

 

tentagil, on 12 Aug 2021 - 11:37 AM, said:

 

Space Marines are almost certainly going to get a Deathwatch box at some point. I think some kind of Raven Guard box would be cool as well based on their lore. Though I'm not holding my breath for it. I feel like they are working on soft killing SM scouts, so I don't see that happening. But maybe as a way to sell out any remaining product.

 

Maybe? The existing 5 man and 10 man DW boxes are already the most customizable kits in the entire range- they are PACKED with options. All they need is to drop KT rules into an orange box with the existing kit and jack the price. Smart money is stock up on DW minis now.

Edited August 12, 2021 by ThePenitentOne

[Interrogator Stobz]

I think your logic is sound, but recheck your timing. The first quarter box won't arrive until very late Aug or early Sept, which is the end of the quarter.

[Son of Carnelian]

The planned road map does make Octarius a pass from me, since I don't play either faction. I'll wait until the armies I want are represented in KT. Still, I like this plan! I've been clamoring for an Underworlds-level of support for Kill Team for years.

[ST.Lazarus]

Had a look at the death korps and Ork sprues in the flesh and the models are incredible. 

[Dark Shepherd]

I think separate kits will be longer than 4 weeks. Bar one or two kits from 40k edition launch boxes theyre rarely if ever that quick.

 

Plus they love you buying stuff you dont need and also creating false value. Margin on a kit is c80% so even if they bundle in terrain at a theoretical 50% discount theyre still making a profit from that terrain. The margins on the gaming boards are probably even higher.

 

Have we hints on warzones? Armageddon has to be one and that KT box wont be Templars

 

Also could Catachans be a good shout for a new Kill Team?

Edited August 12, 2021 by Dark Shepherd

[excelite]

 

 

 

Big question is will the kill zones be a box with campaign book plus terrain sans rulebook OR also including 2 new kill teams?

 

My guess is the latter as theres more profit in that. Then the teams come out separately 4-6 months later.

Plus 40k campaign books and crusade packs dont seem to be doing great

If you look at Octarius, there's basically five things you're getting: three groups of models (2 Teams and Terrain), a campaign book which includes rules for the teams and terrain plus missions and fluff, and the core book.

 

Now off the hop, none of the quarterly sets from here on in will need to include the core book, so price drops. Also, it's the launch box status of Octarius that creates the "Everyone gets it guarantee." This isn't guaranteed to be there for quarterly boxes.

 

In order to consider buying a quarterly box, ideally, you'd want all 3 groups of models in it, right? If you did, you're almost guaranteed to buy it.

Now if you only wanted 2 of the groups of models, you still MIGHT buy it, but you also might not.

If you only want 1 group of models, chances are you're not buying.

 

If, on the other hand, you release separates, EVERYONE who wants just one group of models will buy it. The price will ALSO be slightly higher than it would if you bought the box. That makes this the actual, money-making sweet spot. Additionally, MOST people who want two kits will buy both (again, at non-discounted prices). So separates actually do seem to have better potential for profit, though GW would lose money on people who want all 3 kits, because at undiscounted prices, people MIGHT decide to only buy the two kits they want most.

 

So the best way to make money is a hybrid system where they release the box in a limited run and follow it with separates. This way, you use the limited box to generate hype and create FOMO; anyone who wants one of these boxes and doesn't get it will likely end up buying 2 or 3 of the separate kits when they come. And the separates will sell to all the folks who didn't want all 3 kits.

 

The only hang up to this hybrid method is that GW would have to invest in more packaging and logistics to make it happen; they'd also need rules for each of the three kits as standalones; they may remedy this expense by not combining team and terrain rules into the same book for the big box- instead they'd just put all three tiny books in the box.

 

They other thing they'll struggle with is timing. You want the Fomo box to have some time where it is the only source for the new models and rules in order to maximize the Fomo. But if you wait too long to release the separates, you're into the next quarter, and people may skip buying the separates in favour of the new box- and that's a ton of lost revenue.

 

So my guess is FOMO box preorder one or two weeks BEFORE the quarter begins, so that the box drops in week one. Preorder for separates in week 4 for arrival in the first week of month two. This gives FOMO 4 weeks of air time before the masses jump in, and it gives everyone a month and a half of playtime before next quarter's hype and preorder.

 

This makes WAAAYYY more money than just four big boxes a year.

 

tentagil, on 12 Aug 2021 - 11:37 AM, said:

 

Space Marines are almost certainly going to get a Deathwatch box at some point. I think some kind of Raven Guard box would be cool as well based on their lore. Though I'm not holding my breath for it. I feel like they are working on soft killing SM scouts, so I don't see that happening. But maybe as a way to sell out any remaining product.

 

Maybe? The existing 5 man and 10 man DW boxes are already the most customizable kits in the entire range- they are PACKED with options. All they need is to drop KT rules into an orange box with the existing kit and jack the price. Smart money is stock up on DW minis now.

Sounds credible, but I think you’re missing one thing:

According to tabletop minion the death included models don’t build every specialist. For dkok an example would be that you have to choose from a sniper or a demo guy (I think, but might be another combination). Therefore you need at least one extra box.

 

„If“ that turns out to be true, I can see the same happen to the releases down the line…

 

So a Limited box would offer a discounted entry where you would still need another box or two to get a fully functional KT…

 

Also it would be interesting to see how big the terrain boxes will be… from the terrain density it seems like the amount of a battlezone box like charadon.

[Sete]

Good stuff. Just buying the compendium for now. Already got Scions for a KT and terrain, just need to know how to make a BT kill team with the new stuff.

[Master Sheol]

Good stuff. Just buying the compendium for now. Already got Scions for a KT and terrain, just need to know how to make a BT kill team with the new stuff.

I am in your same boat

I played previous KT with GSC, DA and DG and i have scions, Custodes, SoS, SoB and IW

And i own all the killzones too

So i need only the rules and the compendium

[Firedrake Cordova]

According to tabletop minion the death included models don’t build every specialist. For dkok an example would be that you have to choose from a sniper or a demo guy (I think, but might be another combination). Therefore you need at least one extra box.

You're correct (this was on GW's site a while back). :) The Kommando and Death Korps kits are designed so that each model has 2 build options (i.e. if you bought 2 kits, you could build them so every model was different)

[jimbo1701]

Frankly the kill team news sounds great of executed properly. If it’s releases comparable to the Krieg and commandos then they can drip feed every army a new plastic kit periodically alongside the regular 40k releases. If it’s random models together to form a kill team then it will be less portable to 40k

[redmapa]

I wonder if these releases will be similar to Warcry where they release a warband every now and then which in this case should be a unit with Kill Team rules alongside it, there's just so much planned and with the releases being so close together I doubt all of them will be giant boxes like the Octarius one but I can see a new warzone being sold and have two new kits to go with it. I think its a great opportunity to update older kits, Lictors are a perfect fit for this and who knows maybe Deathwatch will get its own Terminators because they also need an update. 

[Boytoy]

I'd love some upscaled DW terminators. Potentially in a variety of marks? Indomitus and tartaros deathwatch could be interesting

[Interrogator Stobz]

Those other marks of TDA give a fair indication that they will likely stay the same for some time.

[Robbienw]

Inquisition Kill Teams please

[ThePenitentOne]

Inquisition Kill Teams please

 

My personal fave. I don't just want to see this for Kill Team's sake; I want to see the ripple effect it has on 40k.

 

Acolytes are perfect for a Kill Team- there's so much potential for variety and customizability. But a solid selection of KT minis could have a ripple effect on 40k and form the basis of a really good Imperial Agents dex. 

[Dark Shepherd]

I wonder if these releases will be similar to Warcry where they release a warband every now and then which in this case should be a unit with Kill Team rules alongside it, there's just so much planned and with the releases being so close together I doubt all of them will be giant boxes like the Octarius one but I can see a new warzone being sold and have two new kits to go with it. I think its a great opportunity to update older kits, Lictors are a perfect fit for this and who knows maybe Deathwatch will get its own Terminators because they also need an update.

Id say youre right, new teams wont just be in the big boxes, maybe just the more popular ones

[Mandragola]

I think it's a slightly odd time to tell us all this. For me personally, it's meant that Octarius has gone from a "maybe" to a "definitely not" option. I don't play either faction or really want ork terrain, and I'm in no great rush. Now I can wait and see what comes along next, as maybe it'll be more use to me.

 

Or of course it could be another Pariah Nexus, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

[LameBeard]

I thought that too. It might be they are starting to worry they still haven’t the production capacity up to the ‘new normal’ yet - they actually want to take the heat out of the hype and let a few people wait because they expect to sell-out and a decent made-to-order run too.

[Mmmmm Napalm]

I'm increasingly excited to build a DKoK roster for this. I've always found Kriegers really cute, I imagine them sounding like the Pyro from TF2 lol

[Noserenda]

Compendium contents page is up on NZ website, nothing crazy on the Contents page, snippets of the Marine fireteams, seemingly all divided by 40k squad type also shown in blurry text if someone fancies straining their eyes :D 

[lansalt]

There is no elites there, only troops. So no terminators, banshees, scorpions, berzerkers, etc.

It seems that marine fireteams cannot be mixed, so only tacticals/scouts will have decent enough firepower/melee.

I guess we will see an Elites supplement in a year or two, meh

[Master Sheol]

There is no elites there, only troops. So no terminators, banshees, scorpions, berzerkers, etc.

It seems that marine fireteams cannot be mixed, so only tacticals/scouts will have decent enough firepower/melee.

I guess we will see an Elites supplement in a year or two, meh

Ork Kommandos are élite

Guard Veterans are élite

SM Reivers and scouts are elites

Tau stealth suits are élite

And so on

;)

Edited August 14, 2021 by Master Sheol

[Axineton]

Waiting time for me on the store right now is 19mins bloody hell that’s insane.