Black Templar Teaser and Rumors

[Mmmmm Napalm]

Seeing as the upgrade kit includes a different transfer sheet than the one that is in the army set, I really hope the latter is included in the standalone crusader squad kit. I'd hate for it to go OOP afterwards. Edited October 4, 2021 by Mmmmm Napalm

[SirJyo]

Someone (with the codex) could confirm wether the new castellan is firstborn or not.

End the question.

[WARMASTER_]

I’m lost for words! It’s all so freaking amazing!!!!

 

 

Need to process

 

But that Castellan might be my favourite mini ever

 

Those helmets

 

That upgrade sprue!

Anyone else hoping the castellans shoulder pads are separate pieces? Need them on all of mine going forward

[Marshal Reinhard]

His shoulder pads are far too unique to use on anyone else's save maybe for a chaplain.

[JAG Templar]

Everything points to him being an OG marine. I'd say he was primaris if there was but a single signifier towards it. There's nothing.

Yes, I’m now convinced he is a large OG marine. Mainly because the army video has a ‘Primaris Castellan’ (which looks to be a build from the SB box) and the Blanche guy is simply called ‘Castellan’. Amazing model!!

[Eberious]

I simply cannot believe the amount we are getting, it's just amazing. There are still bits I don't like about bits here and there but easily resolved. Can't wait foe this rumoured banner guy if it's based on the old art work, talking of art related model omg! old art Castellan,  display model to be dusted and sacred prayers to be recited daily. 

 

The SB lighting claw guy... or at least the actual weapons ... just bad. :( I wonder what their design thoughts/process was? 

[WARMASTER_]

His shoulder pads are far too unique to use on anyone else's save maybe for a chaplain.

Probably right but it won’t stop me! Haha

 

Also hoping he’s a torso with free arms could make a great body for conversions

[Mmmmm Napalm]

 

 

The SB lighting claw guy... or at least the actual weapons ... just bad. :( I wonder what their design thoughts/process was?

I much prefer this style of lightning claws. With the older ones, whats the point of them being huge power fists if the claws are all that's getting used?

[Wilace]

I have another question - is the Castellan limited miniature (like recent Terminator Chaplain) or not?

 

If it'll be a limited, it'll be harder to get it :(

[BitsHammer]

 

 

The SB lighting claw guy... or at least the actual weapons ... just bad. I wonder what their design thoughts/process was?

I much prefer this style of lightning claws. With the older ones, whats the point of them being huge power fists if the claws are all that's getting used?

 

Agreed actually. The old style felt like they should have been powerfists that got special to-wound rules or something, these feel more like a good set of punching daggers.

[Marshall Bretton]

The only claws I am aware of so far for primaris have been shrike and the new SB ones are the same. Seems that is just the direction they have gone for primaris.

 

I think it's good, the powerfists with knives on the back never made sense to me. The MK3/4 ones looked great with the talon fingers but they also look old so not good for primaris.

[jaxom]

Both the Primaris Castellan and the Fancy Castellan have combi-weapons, but Sword Brethren look like they only get pistol options.

 

 

 

The SB lighting claw guy... or at least the actual weapons ... just bad. I wonder what their design thoughts/process was?

I much prefer this style of lightning claws. With the older ones, whats the point of them being huge power fists if the claws are all that's getting used?

 

Agreed actually. The old style felt like they should have been powerfists that got special to-wound rules or something, these feel more like a good set of punching daggers.

 

 

I think it's an example of the modeling technology catching up with the idea.

[Marshal Reinhard]

must say im not terribly excited by the alternate neophyte heads on the upgrade sprue

 

Have been pondering the viability of using some storm cast heads instead

[Blindhamster]

The hair may look derpy but it’s pretty accurate for the theme

[TheOneTrueZon]

must say im not terribly excited by the alternate neophyte heads on the upgrade sprue

 

Have been pondering the viability of using some storm cast heads instead

 

Yes, I am also wondering how various 3rd party heads will fare in these new times.

 

edit: Also Van Saar Forgeworld heads....

 

Edited October 4, 2021 by TheOneTrueZon

[WARMASTER_]

The only claws I am aware of so far for primaris have been shrike and the new SB ones are the same. Seems that is just the direction they have gone for primaris.

 

I think it's good, the powerfists with knives on the back never made sense to me. The MK3/4 ones looked great with the talon fingers but they also look old so not good for primaris.

Nah give me the MKII/III claw fingers all day, they look so menacing

[T14]

Oh my! Where to start?

 

The Sword Brethren are lovely. I really hope that we get maximum freedom to equip these guys however we feel like. Only modelling problem is that I want their aesthetic to carry over to all our veteran units. Does one use a SB squad + shield bitz to make Bladeguard vets, or buy a bladeguard Vet squad and add templar bitz? Also, I need to start working on my Greenstuff Cape Game. I will need lots!

 

The upgrade box gives me mixed feelings. Love the shoulder pads and small flavour tidbits. There are far too many bare heads and too few knight helms for my liking. The SB box better have spare helmets, or I will need to find a third party supply. (the standard mkX helm is not for me, and will be purged from my army).

And the bitz reseller market will be overflowing with the skulls of cacodominus. It is going to be hilarious!

 

The firstborn castellan is one chunky lad! I wonder if he will be a named character. The sculpt has personality in spades!

 

I will be buying everything, and multiples of the infantry squads. Time for primaris footsloggers, Templar Style!

[Marshal Reinhard]

Oh my! Where to start?

 

The Sword Brethren are lovely. I really hope that we get maximum freedom to equip these guys however we feel like. Only modelling problem is that I want their aesthetic to carry over to all our veteran units. Does one use a SB squad + shield bitz to make Bladeguard vets, or buy a bladeguard Vet squad and add templar bitz? Also, I need to start working on my Greenstuff Cape Game. I will need lots!

It will be my goal to somehow add capes to all 8 of my bladeguards. Otherwise just some crusader seals, maybe the odd lantern and that'll be it, as they fit the aesthetic pretty well already.

 

 

The upgrade box gives me mixed feelings. Love the shoulder pads and small flavour tidbits. There are far too many bare heads and too few knight helms for my liking. The SB box better have spare helmets, or I will need to find a third party supply. (the standard mkX helm is not for me, and will be purged from my army).

And the bitz reseller market will be overflowing with the skulls of cacodominus. It is going to be hilarious!

The upgrade sprue is striking me more and more as the odd man out the more that time passes. 

 

It's got things I absolutely love in it. The bare head that's another callback to 3rd ed cover. The two helms that are actually included. The double pairs of gravis style shoulders (other chapters only got the single side afaik) The vehicle adornment sword, a wealth of lantern designs both held and hanging. The neophyte holding a helm for his initiate mentor... really looking forward to seeing the cool modelling of people do with that. And it's pretty cool we actually get modelled relics in the kit. I just love that we a get a nice selection in the kit.

 

What I'm not overly enthused about, is the low number of crusader seals and candles. Those will be worth their weight in gold. Then the relics are a bit odd choice as well when you think about it, as I'm looking to get at least a few copies of this, as most probably are, so there'll be plenty of spare relics and not just of the skull. A lot of the bare heads are straight up ugly, particularly among the neo's... or at least the paintjob is not doing them any favors. There's a lot alternatives for neophyte heads going about though, so i'm not too worried. 

 

Overall the upgrade sprue seems to be weakest part shown so far, but between good parts in it, spare bits from the crusader squad & swordbrethren kit, I am not too worried. Blinging new Templars going to be so enjoyable.

[Blindhamster]

wow you guys are hard to please. I'd kill for an upgrade sprue that was half as good.

you'll have spare crusade helms in both the crusader and brethren squads without a doubt, same goes for shoulder pads. I'd bet that between an upgrade set, crusader set and brethren set, you'd have enough bits to suitibly black templarify an intercessor and bladeguard squad too (plus bits for some characters).

[T14]

wow you guys are hard to please. I'd kill for an upgrade sprue that was half as good.

You misunderstand, brother. We are just full of ZEAL^TM

Our previous chapter upgrade was also quite good, considering the time of production, so it would be dissappointing to settle for less after years of waiting. I am quite happy with the upgrade in visual quality this time round. I am just anxious about the quantity proportions

 

And I am sure the BT releases are a sign of the quality of content in the pipeline for other chapters

 

 

you'll have spare crusade helms in both the crusader and brethren squads without a doubt, same goes for shoulder pads. I'd bet that between an upgrade set, crusader set and brethren set, you'd have enough bits to suitibly black templarify an intercessor and bladeguard squad too (plus bits for some characters).

I have had a break from 40k for several years while my local group focussed on Epic40k (6mm) games. The whole primaris thing kind of put me off space marines tbh, but with these releases I am ready to restart the crusade in a footslogging primaris format. I expect to retire my firstborn infantry alltogether, but will strip and repaint my forgeworld dreads for the new crusade. I am planning to bulk out my force using boxes of assault intercessors, crusader squads and sword brethren. The spare part content of these templar releases will decide what proportion of the three boxes I settle on.

 

-T14

[Marshall Bretton]

Also just spotted that one of the spare heads on the upgrade sprue (top left on the pic) is definitely meant to be the other character in that blanche artwork. I can't get over how many nods to the old art and models there have been in this release

[Crom's Will]

Since there are several bits meant for neophytes, there surely must be primaris scouts on the horizon or at least an inclusion of models in a future set. Why else would they push in that direction for models which will only be in the release next week?

[jaxom]

Since there are several bits meant for neophytes, there surely must be primaris scouts on the horizon or at least an inclusion of models in a future set. Why else would they push in that direction for models which will only be in the release next week?

 

The Primaris Crusader squad gets a box after the initial army launch set. The Primaris Crusader box will contain neophytes. Players who want to give them shotguns or those other "several bits" will have to buy the upgrade sprue even though the upgrade sprue is mostly redundant for that kit. Or they will buy the kit already to upgrade Intercessor, Assault Intercessor, Gravis squads, and characters and then can use the rest with the neophytes.

 

If anything, by gating the miniatures and their unit options behind Chapter specific units and kits, I think it is less likely there will be a new scout kit for non-Phobos scout units in Codex: Space Marines.

[Marshal Reinhard]

 

Since there are several bits meant for neophytes, there surely must be primaris scouts on the horizon or at least an inclusion of models in a future set. Why else would they push in that direction for models which will only be in the release next week?

 

The Primaris Crusader squad gets a box after the initial army launch set. The Primaris Crusader box will contain neophytes. Players who want to give them shotguns or those other "several bits" will have to buy the upgrade sprue even though the upgrade sprue is mostly redundant for that kit. Or they will buy the kit already to upgrade Intercessor, Assault Intercessor, Gravis squads, and characters and then can use the rest with the neophytes.

 

If anything, by gating the miniatures and their unit options behind Chapter specific units and kits, I think it is less likely there will be a new scout kit for non-Phobos scout units in Codex: Space Marines.

 

They initially 'gated' intercessor sergeant weapons behind different chapter specific upgrade sprues. thunder hammers and handflamers were initially onl yavailable from the salamanders upgrade sprue, but open to everyone.

[jaxom]

That is an excellent point!