my honest opinion

[Lord Blackwood]

impulsors can carry 6 models

[Charlo]

Which I discovered yesterday and my dreams of Primaris Crusader squads in armoured columns died :')

[Marshal Reinhard]

Repulsor Crusader when? Or heck Gimme a transport version of the Astraeus. Hell, maybe make overlord a reality (or was that the really big one?) Just give us some high transport capacity primaris vehicles, GW.

[Sete]

impulsors can carry 6 models

Impulsors are perfect for Sword Bros with their flexibility. Use them accordingly.

I know everyone like to put chainsword and what not, but a PCrusader Squad with auto bolt guns, holding the line will do wonders.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

So Jack Harpster beat Richard Siegler’s Necrons with his Black Templar army - it’s on Art of War YT channel.

[Tokugawa]

So Jack Harpster beat Richard Siegler’s Necrons with his Black Templar army - it’s on Art of War YT channel.

What's his list look like?

[BitsHammer]

 

So Jack Harpster beat Richard Siegler’s Necrons with his Black Templar army - it’s on Art of War YT channel.

What's his list look like?

 

From the video description:

 

Jack's Black Templar

Templars Patrol

 

Helbrecht - 160

Grimaldus - Litany of Divine Protection, Fires of Devotion - 140

 

20 Primaris Crusaders - 10x Auto Bolt Rifles, 10x Bolt Carbines, Champion of the Feast, Icon of Heinmann - 375

 

Primaris Apothecary - 80

 

6 Hellblasters - Assault Plasma Incinerators - 198

3 Eliminators - 2 Las-Fusils, Instigator Bolt Carbine - 85

 

 

Black Templars Vanguard

 

Chaplain on Bike - Warlord, Iron Resolve, Tannhauser’s Bones, Oath of Glory - 115

 

Redemptor Dreadnought - Plasma, Icarus Rocket Pod, Onslaught Cannon - 185

Redemptor Dreadnought - Plasma, Icarus Rocket Pod, Onslaught Cannon - 185

Redemptor Dreadnought - Plasma, Icarus Rocket Pod, Onslaught Cannon - 185

 

3 Eliminators - 2 Las-Fusils, Instigator Bolt Carbine - 85

3 Eliminators - 2 Las-Fusils, Instigator Bolt Carbine - 85

 

Primaris Impulsor- Ironhail Skytalon Array - 120

 

I dunno, to me this just feels like a list for a different army reskined to be Templars.

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by Fulkes

[Tokugawa]

Does he use devout push on hellblasters to do Harlequin style fire-fade tricks?

 

Full 9 eliminators look weird,since they are the biggest victim of Uphold…

Edited October 13, 2021 by Tokugawa

[Marshal Reinhard]

20 Primaris Crusaders - 10x Auto Bolt Rifles, 10x Bolt Carbines, Champion of the Feast, Icon of Heinmann - 375

 

is not even a legal primaris crusader squad setup. no sword brother, too many neophytes

[Palmu]

Does he use devout push on hellblasters to do Harlequin style fire-fade tricks?

 

Full 9 eliminators look weird,since they are the biggest victim of Uphold…

Yes, he does.

 

I find it absolutely hilarious that GW tries to fix our abusable melee movement strat, but just makes it an abusable shooting movement strat instead.

 

Whoops!

[BitsHammer]

 

Does he use devout push on hellblasters to do Harlequin style fire-fade tricks?

 

Full 9 eliminators look weird,since they are the biggest victim of Uphold…

Yes, he does.

 

I find it absolutely hilarious that GW tries to fix our abusable melee movement strat, but just makes it an abusable shooting movement strat instead.

 

Whoops!

 

Eh, that's less feels bad than tokyo drifting into combat.

[Palmu]

Maybe, but the incompetence is hilarious.

 

I assume the things we'll do with it, like embarking back on transports, and going back to cover were NOT the design goal as that doesn't particularly look like BT style tactics. More like Raven Guard.

[BitsHammer]

Maybe, but the incompetence is hilarious.

 

I assume the things we'll do with it, like embarking back on transports, and going back to cover were NOT the design goal as that doesn't particularly look like BT style tactics. More like Raven Guard.

You assume incompetence, but it could be how they intended it to work. And Templars are zealots, not crazed fanatics. They know how to use cover and employ cunning against their foes.

[Sigismund's Wrath]

Honestly Medjedorje you aren't going to have much luck on boards like B&C discussing competitive viability. Chapter specific boards and discords tend to become hyper echo chambers filled with a ton of people with different idea's on what good is for them. For instance while the BT book has lost its competitive edge its gained a strong aesthetic and that may be hands down the most important thing for some people. The AoW boards are a good place to start, You aren't going to face the same signal to noise ratio on a board where everyone is discussing competitive play.   

[Palmu]

 

 

Maybe, but the incompetence is hilarious.

 

I assume the things we'll do with it, like embarking back on transports, and going back to cover were NOT the design goal as that doesn't particularly look like BT style tactics. More like Raven Guard.

You assume incompetence, but it could be how they intended it to work. And Templars are zealots, not crazed fanatics. They know how to use cover and employ cunning against their foes.

I like the optimism, but seriously. You know damn well none of these rules abuses were the intent behind the rule, not this version or the previous one.

[BitsHammer]

 

 

Maybe, but the incompetence is hilarious.

 

I assume the things we'll do with it, like embarking back on transports, and going back to cover were NOT the design goal as that doesn't particularly look like BT style tactics. More like Raven Guard.

You assume incompetence, but it could be how they intended it to work. And Templars are zealots, not crazed fanatics. They know how to use cover and employ cunning against their foes.

I like the optimism, but seriously. You know damn well none of these rules abuses were the intent behind the rule, not this version or the previous one.

 

I do not "know" anything. And in fact I'll add it to the FAQ list so we can bring it up to the devs.

[Medjugorje]

I think Zealots are more crazier then berserkers. 

[BayOkuz]

Guys, Yes We lost a lot of speed. We lost a lot of good stuff and I understand and emphatise Medj. He is a great guy and a dine brother.

 

What I look is, I am not a competitive player and always loved the lore of 40K and painting my army for myself so, although BT is still not Fast, I will play my crusade and my army so, after aşk these years having our Book back is a great start. That means things will Shape beter in future.

 

Just have fun. I love you all my Brothers. The Emperor has answered our prayer and He works in mysterious ways so, lets be thankful to The Emperor and Pray him more to deliver ya speed back

 

Dont forget:

Accept any Challenge, No Matter the Odds!

 

For Dorn and the Emperor, Praise Be!

Edited October 13, 2021 by BayOkuz

[8Six]

I'm not worried about our new rules. I think there are some great things in the book, and along with other well known generic units (Redemptors, Bladeguard, Vanguard) we have a solid army to build around. There are some nice new things that give us the flavor we look for when playing BT, though we still utilize many of the generic things other chapters rely on. And I do not want to compare our power level to the likes of Ad Mech or Drukhari. that should not be the benchmark that determines what is competitive or not. both of those armies are still just broken. We are a mid tier, take on all comers army. We will win some, and lose some, and honestly... that's how it should be.

 

Play on, have fun, and let the Emperor sort out the rest!

 

Cheers

Edited October 13, 2021 by 8Six

[General Strike]

Just to be clear, I don't have a problem with any one having an opinion, I just get annoyed when speak with authority on these things. So many people do and end up wrong. My only issue with Medj was going to every thread and saying these same doom and gloom things, but having it contained here is fine. He seems like a fine chap, and the zeal and love he has for Templars is palpable.

 

Laeroth has been telling us to expect change for months, so I'm not shocked by any of this, and a lot of it still makes sense to me.

[Sword Brethren Durion]

Well I'm more and more feeling like Medj. At first I was like "YEAH EVERYTHING SOUNDS VERY FLUFFY ITS AMAZIN", then look back "YEAH IT LOOK COOL", then once again "Wait, we're slow as :cuss now ?" and finally "Sooo... We got more shooty stratagem and no one for the close combat ?". I'm a bit sad about it, I don't started a BT army to be shooty but for running into ennemies and scream. I love alot of those new rules, but at least one or two stratagem for the melee would has be amazing.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

One strat does not define an army.

 

Med is the one who started the doom and gloom movement dissing the codex before he even has a chance to read it. That type of thinking is bound for failure and does not look at the big picture. It’s time to put on our big boy pants and grow up a bit. This is something we have waited on for literally years… I wouldn’t want to be remembered as the one that pooped on the new codex without giving it a fair chance.

Edited October 13, 2021 by Black Blow Fly

[Sigismund's Wrath]

One strat does not define an army.

 

Med is the one who started the doom and gloom movement dissing the codex before he even has a chance to read it. That type of thinking is bound for failure and does not look at the big picture. It’s time to put on our big boy pants and grow up a bit. This is something we have waited on for literally years… I wouldn’t want to be remembered as the one that pooped on the new codex without giving it a fair chance.

Med by no means started the "doom and gloom" movement, anyone can look at the codex and see the drastic reduction in speed and the ability to leverage melee threats. Layering in extra stats into pre-existing "good" SM units does not replace losing an "army feel". A fast active army with a ton of options getting downgraded into a slow army with fewer ways to interact on the board is something deserving of criticism. Nearly every review has echoed the "meh" of the codex from a impact lvl, This doesn't mean its a terrible codex or that it cant win games but it is a step down from a 8 page PDF document and that's a shame. 

 

As far as big boy pants and growing up, lets leave the comments that edge into the personal at the door. 

[BitsHammer]

Well I'm more and more feeling like Medj. At first I was like "YEAH EVERYTHING SOUNDS VERY FLUFFY ITS AMAZIN", then look back "YEAH IT LOOK COOL", then once again "Wait, we're slow as :cuss now ?" and finally "Sooo... We got more shooty stratagem and no one for the close combat ?". I'm a bit sad about it, I don't started a BT army to be shooty but for running into ennemies and scream. I love alot of those new rules, but at least one or two stratagem for the melee would has be amazing.

We need shooty strats because all our buffs and rules are more melee focused. From one of the bat reps I saw (think it was the AoW one) he makes a point at the end about how his melee buffs are all innate.

[BitsHammer]

I think Zealots are more crazier then berserkers.

In the dedication to their beliefs, yes. Berserkers arw lost in a blood haze, Templars are commited to executing their duty.

 

Despite the fury of their conviction they have never been presented in the lore as blindly leaping into the fray like Death Compant, but rather consciously choosing a course of action and seeing it to completion or die trying.

 

A great example of this was in Damnation Crusade when they discover the enemy has fallen back and first scout forward to draw out the potential trap, then commiting to a fient followed by a flanking manuever to try and get behind the enemy to prevent them from siezing the Titans.

 

Those are not actions by crazed zealots, but rather enlightened zealots.