Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 HQs would be generic inquisitor and interrogator elites would represent others that directly form an inquisitor’s retinue (psykers, crusaders, etc) troops inquisitorial scions(get their own special load out options separate from normal scions) inquisitorial arbiters? fast attack new fancy speeder heavy support ‘Devastator’ ogryns just a few initial ideas. walter h 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution ThePenitentOne Posted July 13, 2022 Solution Share Posted July 13, 2022 I think "Agents of the Imperium" is the best way to go- Inquisition would obviously be a huge part of that, but there's more to it now. We are getting Imperial Navy Breachers for KT, and they'd slot into agents, as would Rogue Traders. duz_ and walter h 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5845721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 I'm a fan of the inquisition getting some love, any love Gw seem to hate the inq Even their only release for quite some time, inq lord draxus is questionable They could combine the ordo tempestus with what little inquisition rules there are, its run partially by the inquisition anyway Lhorke and walter h 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5845722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Emperor Ming said: Gw seem to hate the inq Well thats not entirely true. If anything they have a love / hate relationship with them. They keep releasing new Inquisitors (as my collection shows), yet no real support for them... walter h 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5845769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 How I always envision the Inquistion is this way: HQ- Inquistor Lord/ Inquisitor Elite- Jokero*, Interrogators, Crusaders, Death Cult Assassins, Offico Assassins, Ordos Militant unit (0-1)**, Daemonhosts*, Priests, Astropaths, Troops- Acolytes, Inquisitorial Storm Troopers, voidsman Fast- Heavy- Gun Servitors * Taking this option automatically Radical and co not take Ordos Militant units ** Ordos Militant: Malleus- Grey Knight Terminator squad (5-10 models) Xenos- Deathwatch Kill Team (5-10 models) Hereticus- Battle Sister Squad (5-20models) WARMASTER_, duz_ and walter h 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5846109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 What would acolytes be exactly? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5846122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Acolytes same as they are now but cheaper…possibly limit how many “special weapons” they can have and/ or allow psybolt ammo for bolt pistol/ bolter/ stormbolter walter h 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5846140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentOne Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 The painful thing for me is how easy it would have been to significantly improve the Inquisition when they were reprinted in Octarius. Just making Acolytes troops and bumping their unit size 10 would improve the list by orders of magnitude. Adding even a single transport to the list would bring it up another notch. Now obviously, we want them to go further than that. But how colossally short sighted was it to not do at least this when the rules were reprinted? To address what they could do to really improve them, beyond the quick and easy cookie cutter solutions above, we have to talk a bit about the Nephilim Matched Play CP rules for a second, because until GW went messing with CP's, it was a lot easier to fix Inquisition than it is now. For example, Chambers militant could be handled SOOO easily in a system where taking two detachments isn't a CP death sentence. "Chamber Militant: An Inquisition Army may include a single detachment of it's Chamber Militant without affecting the detachment abilities of either detachment. Additionally, the Inquisition detachment in such an army may include any transport that could be used by its Chamber Militant." This solves the transport problem AND revives Chambers Militant... But again, it only really works if you get all your CP upfront. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5846206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ikka Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 3 hours ago, ThePenitentOne said: "Chamber Militant: An Inquisition Army may include a single detachment of it's Chamber Militant without affecting the detachment abilities of either detachment. Additionally, the Inquisition detachment in such an army may include any transport that could be used by its Chamber Militant." This solves the transport problem AND revives Chambers Militant... But again, it only really works if you get all your CP upfront. You could still do that, but add in the preface that Chamber Militant detachments have a 0CP cost as long as the army's Warlord is an Inquisitor/Lord Inquisitor of the Ordos that the Chamber Militant belongs to. Lord Raven 19 and Emperor Ming 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5846230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) So with the detachment it becomes an army within the army. A lot of the stories it is a squad hence why if the inquisitor is not consider radical they can select 1 unit, depending on the their Ordo, that counts as an elite choice. as for vehicles I always feel like it should be based on what units that are chosen: non power armored models: chimera, taurox (both variants), Valkyrie Marine units: Razorback, Land Raider, Corvus Blackstar All units: Rhino Along with the authority of the inquisitor rule it will allow the inquisitor and Acolytes to ride in whatever is chosen. for non big 3 ordos, I guess a squad of space marine infantry can be chosen. Radical inquisitors get Astra Militarium infantry squads maybe a leman Russ too. Edited July 15, 2022 by war009 Harleqvin 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5846286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 On 7/14/2022 at 9:22 PM, war009 said: How I always envision the Inquistion is this way: HQ- Inquistor Lord/ Inquisitor Elite- Jokero*, Interrogators, Crusaders, Death Cult Assassins, Offico Assassins, Ordos Militant unit (0-1)**, Daemonhosts*, Priests, Astropaths, Troops- Acolytes, Inquisitorial Storm Troopers, voidsman Fast- Heavy- Gun Servitors * Taking this option automatically Radical and co not take Ordos Militant units ** Ordos Militant: Malleus- Grey Knight Terminator squad (5-10 models) Xenos- Deathwatch Kill Team (5-10 models) Hereticus- Battle Sister Squad (5-20models) I'd also add the option for a techpriest into the elites slot (someone needs to keep the transports going). Previously the option for fast attack was the valkyrie, which fits quite well imo WAR 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5847618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 I was going to add that in an edit and I guess I didn't. But yes a techpriest would be and elite option for all Ordos. with Valkyries moving to flyer slot (along with other Flyers) I think GW would keep it as a flyer, Maybe add the Ordos Militant fast attack option: Malleus- Grey Knights Interceptors, Xenos- Deathwatch bike squad, Hereticus- Adepta Sororitas Seraphim, Other- Assault squad, Radical- Guard Fast attack Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5847646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, war009 said: I was going to add that in an edit and I guess I didn't. But yes a techpriest would be and elite option for all Ordos. with Valkyries moving to flyer slot (along with other Flyers) I think GW would keep it as a flyer, Maybe add the Ordos Militant fast attack option: Malleus- Grey Knights Interceptors, Xenos- Deathwatch bike squad, Hereticus- Adepta Sororitas Seraphim, Other- Assault squad, Radical- Guard Fast attack I completely forgot about the flyer slot (, it's been a while since I played). Ordo militant fast attack is not a bad idea. Any particular reason for restricting gaurd fast attack to radicals? I would have thought it should be easy for any inquisitor to get their hands on sentinels or hellhounds WAR 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5847648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Honestly no reason besides giving the options to Radicals to give them some different models than other Puritan factions, but the it could be changed to this: Requisitioned to the Inquisition (Key word)- When creating list the Inquisitor can requisition forces as follows: Puritan Ordo Malleus- Grey Knight Terminators (Elite), Grey Knight Interceptor Squad (Fast attack), Stormraven (Flyer) Puritan Ordo Xenos- Death Watch Veterans (Elite), Deathwatch Bikers (Fast attack), Corvus Blackstar (Flyer) Rhino and Razorback (Dedicated Transport) Puritan Ordo Hereticus- Adepta Sororitas Celestian Squad (elites), Adepta Soroitas Seraphim (Fast Attack) Rhino and Immolator (Dedicated transport) All other Ordos (including big 3 Ordos Radical factions: Space Marine Infantry squad (First born tactical or Intercessors- Elite) and Space marine bike squad (first Born or Primaris- Fast attack), Stormhawk, storm talon or stromraven (Flyer) Rhino Razorback, or Impulsor (Dedicated transports) or Astra Militarum Infantry/ Special/ Heavy weapon squads (1-3 squads for 1 Elite slot, if 3 squads taken Platoon command does not take up spot), Sentinel (armored or non Armored 1-3 fast attack), Hellhound (fast attack), Leman Russ (1 Heavy support), Valkyrie (Flyer) Taroux and chimeras (Dedicated tansports) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5847677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, war009 said: Honestly no reason besides giving the options to Radicals to give them some different models than other Puritan factions, but the it could be changed to this: Requisitioned to the Inquisition (Key word)- When creating list the Inquisitor can requisition forces as follows: Puritan Ordo Malleus- Grey Knight Terminators (Elite), Grey Knight Interceptor Squad (Fast attack), Stormraven (Flyer) Puritan Ordo Xenos- Death Watch Veterans (Elite), Deathwatch Bikers (Fast attack), Corvus Blackstar (Flyer) Rhino and Razorback (Dedicated Transport) Puritan Ordo Hereticus- Adepta Sororitas Celestian Squad (elites), Adepta Soroitas Seraphim (Fast Attack) Rhino and Immolator (Dedicated transport) All other Ordos (including big 3 Ordos Radical factions: Space Marine Infantry squad (First born tactical or Intercessors- Elite) and Space marine bike squad (first Born or Primaris- Fast attack), Stormhawk, storm talon or stromraven (Flyer) Rhino Razorback, or Impulsor (Dedicated transports) or Astra Militarum Infantry/ Special/ Heavy weapon squads (1-3 squads for 1 Elite slot, if 3 squads taken Platoon command does not take up spot), Sentinel (armored or non Armored 1-3 fast attack), Hellhound (fast attack), Leman Russ (1 Heavy support), Valkyrie (Flyer) Taroux and chimeras (Dedicated tansports) That would certainly help to flesh out the inquisition and provide a solid core, not sure we'd get standard marines though (at least not mixed with guard). I'd love it radicals had the option for xenos mercenaries like kroot, or corsairs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5847678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Yeah those totally should be added to Xenos radical, great idea @Harrowmaster Harrowmaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5847694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 3 hours ago, war009 said: Yeah those totally should be added to Xenos radical, great idea @Harrowmaster Thanks, would be a long shot but we got squats back so anything is possible. WAR 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5847778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/14/2022 at 9:22 PM, war009 said: How I always envision the Inquistion is this way: HQ- Inquistor Lord/ Inquisitor Elite- Jokero*, Interrogators, Crusaders, Death Cult Assassins, Offico Assassins, Ordos Militant unit (0-1)**, Daemonhosts*, Priests, Astropaths, Troops- Acolytes, Inquisitorial Storm Troopers, voidsman Fast- Heavy- Gun Servitors * Taking this option automatically Radical and co not take Ordos Militant units ** Ordos Militant: Malleus- Grey Knight Terminator squad (5-10 models) Xenos- Deathwatch Kill Team (5-10 models) Hereticus- Battle Sister Squad (5-20models) So basically you want the old Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters books back. That would be nice but I think GW moved away from that idea and limited us to using just Inquisitors and Acolytes. WAR 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5848981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 6 hours ago, casb1965 said: So basically you want the old Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters books back. That would be nice but I think GW moved away from that idea and limited us to using just Inquisitors and Acolytes. Sorta....I think it needs restrictions. Yeah I agree it would be nice to have that flexibility but I am not hopeful it will happen. But hey squats (League of Votaan) are a thing, we got plastic Sisters and a thunderhawk sorta, so who really knows what they will do or if they do anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5849041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 59 minutes ago, war009 said: Sorta....I think it needs restrictions. Yeah I agree it would be nice to have that flexibility but I am not hopeful it will happen. But hey squats (League of Votaan) are a thing, we got plastic Sisters and a thunderhawk sorta, so who really knows what they will do or if they do anything. If they restricted the Grey Knights, Space Marine and SoB to one or two units and gave us Stormtroopers as troops the old DH/WH codices would work well duz_ and WAR 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5849062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 One thing I would say that should not be allowed is Chapter/ Brotherhood/ Order Tactics on the Marines, Grey Knights, or Adepta Sororitas. Or have the key word Chapter/ Brotherhood/ Order changed to ORDO (Xenos, Hereticus, or Malleus) duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5849100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 12 hours ago, war009 said: One thing I would say that should not be allowed is Chapter/ Brotherhood/ Order Tactics on the Marines, Grey Knights, or Adepta Sororitas. Or have the key word Chapter/ Brotherhood/ Order changed to ORDO (Xenos, Hereticus, or Malleus) Would definitely help with balance in that case. Changing the subfaction to Ordo and giving those benefits would be fluffy and (hopefully) balanced. Last thing we would want is people taking inquisition to break the game and then GW pulling support. WAR 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5849184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Acolytes should gotten back to 2-3 wounds imho Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5849627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 59 minutes ago, Schlitzaf said: Acolytes should gotten back to 2-3 wounds imho Depends on how they implement them. If they're just going to be units for troops then they probably won't get that (and there would be little point) but in that case it would probably just be better to take guard vets or infantry. Acolytes in the elite slot as small groups with a few wounds would work well to represent the inquisitor's closest/most elite agents. Inquisitor_Lensoven and WAR 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5849643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Honestly, I kinda like the current implementation via Agents of the Imperium. What they should add is the option to add another Inquisition without using a force org slot when you bring an Inquisitor as an agent. And for actual Inquisiton detachments, make the Acolytes troops. At a stretch, add a rider for a DW/GK Strike Squad/SoB Battlesister squad in an Agents of the Imperium slot for the respective Ordos. I think the last Agents of the Imperium codex at the end of 7 But I don't think we're going to see the kind of mixing again in the current framework tbh, outside the Agents-mechanic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374973-should-the-inquisition-get-their-own-codex/#findComment-5849927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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