What does the impulsor need to be desirable?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

A simple drop in points?

better movement rules?

more lethality?

more durability?

a combination of the above?

[CCE1981]

Troop capacity 10 if it doesn’t take one of the big upgrades, and those upgrades should be 10 pts cheaper at no additional cost to the model.

Edited July 28, 2022 by CCE1981

[Lord_Ikka]

The ability to transport more models would be nice- right now its like a Razorback without the potential lethality of the Razorback's weaponry. Barring that, it needs to come down in points, but then again I think all SM transports are overcosted. Strapping three stubbers on it adds some firepower to the storm bolters at 15 points, which isn't horrible for a transport and you no longer have to take the shield dome with AoC basically rendering it useless against anything less than AP-4. 

I don't know how you would make them more durable or more lethal without having to revamp the entire SM vehicle line- the Impulsor's stats are pretty much in line with all the other vehicles and the weapons it sports are also used frequently.

Unfortunately the 100 points they cost is equal to another Intercessor squad or such, and for the most part I'd rather just march up the board with another squad and trust in my power armor than get an Impulsor. The only use I really see for them is to take a unit of Bladeguard and a buffer character like a Chaplain to get the squad into the middle of the board without losing a Bladeguard member or two. Even then I'm on the edge on whether it is worth it or not. Dropping points seems the easiest way to get them on the board, but you'd also have to drop Rhinos/Razorbacks by an equal amount at the same time I would think.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Bring back the Fly keyword, transport more models, 4++ save and less points.

[Malakithe]

Transports in general need to either be cheaper points or beefier. I think the devilfish is a good example

[Lord_Ikka]

3 hours ago, Black Blow Fly said:

Bring back the Fly keyword, transport more models, 4++ save and less points.

What would Fly give it that would be useful?

[Karhedron]

5 hours ago, Lord_Ikka said:

Dropping points seems the easiest way to get them on the board, but you'd also have to drop Rhinos/Razorbacks by an equal amount at the same time I would think.

That sounds fair to me and i think most players feel the Rhino and RB are overpriced at the moment. I know that several vehicles got buffed in the Chaos codex (T8 Preds, T9 Rhinos, D6+2 damage lascannons etc). Did anyone notice if Rhinos got any changes? I am guessing they are still T7 but are they still the same points.

[lansalt]

The primaris grav-pickup truck just needs to be cheaper and the open-topped rule

[Karhedron]

59 minutes ago, lansalt said:

The primaris grav-pickup truck just needs to be cheaper and the open-topped rule

That would be neat. I can see these packed with Hellblasters for drive-by-shooting.

[Lemondish]

On 7/28/2022 at 3:23 AM, Karhedron said:

Did anyone notice if Rhinos got any changes? I am guessing they are still T7 but are they still the same points.

Battlescribe lists it as T7 for the same points cost, so no changes there. 

[Sword Brother Adelard]

On 7/28/2022 at 6:06 AM, Lord_Ikka said:

What would Fly give it that would be useful?

They should never have had Fly. They can't fly in the lore, and it was dumb they had it at all.

At most, if, say, 'Hover' was a keyword which let you ignore certain types of ground terrain, that would make sense, but it wouldn't make them worth taking.

[Karhedron]

FLY got heavily nerfed in 9th as it no longer allows units to fall back and still shoot. As such it is no longer such a big deal.

[Emperor Ming]

Capacity ten and a minor points drop or a substantial points drop

Lots of transports are unfortunately overcosted by some degree

 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Emperor Ming said:

Capacity ten and a minor points drop or a substantial points drop

Lots of transports are unfortunately overcosted by some degree

 

Yeah, capacity less than 10 leaves it like a worse razorback.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Losing Fly is a big deal and I don’t think it’s dumb. While not as powerful now it’s still extremely useful, such as being able to leave close combat.

[Medjugorje]

foremost what BBF said:

- too expensive ( 110 points in comparison to harleqin or drukhari transports which are far better)

- better input ( just 11 wounds and 3+ Save in this current state of the game is not that bad - but not worth that points)

- FLY. at least a rule like "hover" which can ignore some terrain 

- open topped (so that a unit can shoot from inside)

[Marshal Mittens]

Transports in general are too expensive. It should be around 55-65pts with the upgrade of your choice for free.

[Blindhamster]

Don’t think they should increase to 10-man transport, it feels logical that it can transport 6.

but yeah, a hover rule, massively reduced point cost, better durability and open topped rules would help

[Toldavf]

It's an odd APC. As stated transports in general are over costed and the Impulsor is a another good example of that. A 20 point drop brings it in line with other transports though 45 is what's needed to make it cost what it's worth. 

[Lemondish]

Honestly, if you exactly half the cost and make the main weapons free, you'll likely see them show up in more than just the ultra casual games. 

[mertbl]

if you could disembark after it moves and charge out of it, it would be better. a psuedo fly to help deal with terrain. 

[Toldavf]

1 hour ago, mertbl said:

if you could disembark after it moves and charge out of it, it would be better. a psuedo fly to help deal with terrain. 

That is the most sort after upgrade for every transport in the game. It is really unlikely to be able to do that especially since the land raider isn't getting it. 

[Medjugorje]

think about a Raider which is one of the reasons why Drukhari are as strong as they are. 

 

It costs less, have FLY kewyword, is open topped and can carry 11 models, have a 5+ Inv. and a strong weapon.

Even Black Templars which can have a 5 Inv. and a MM on it must pay 130 points.  I think 70 points BASE would be okay.

[Helias_Tancred]

Capacity of 10, and one or the other; a good points decrease, or a built-in shield generator giving it a 5+ invuln, which still allows for a turret choice.

[Lord_Ikka]

The shield dome option needs to now give it either a 4+ invuln or something else that is useful, maybe a -1 to Hit, to counter the fact that AoC is so powerful against any weapon with less than AP -4. Right now it is a 15 point option that does literally nothing unless you are facing a lot of meltas.