Squike Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Can Forge World units like the Contemptor, Leviathan and Sicaran currently take Chaos Marks with the new codex, or do we have to wait for an Imperial Armour Errata to sort the mess out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) I believe that currently only the contemptor has the CORE keyword. Unsolicited opinion, the -1 CP cost makes them all non-starters, but for funsies I think I'd still mess with contemptors and leviathans. Mark of Khorne Contemptor is pushed to S8 in combat during the first round, so will be wounding most marines on 2+, so that's something for sure. Edited August 11, 2022 by Khornestar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squike Posted August 11, 2022 Author Share Posted August 11, 2022 47 minutes ago, Khornestar said: I believe that currently only the contemptor has the CORE keyword. Unsolicited opinion, the -1 CP cost makes them all non-starters, but for funsies I think I'd still mess with contemptors and leviathans. Mark of Khorne Contemptor is pushed to S8 in combat during the first round, so will be wounding most marines on 2+, so that's something for sure. I missed the CORE keyword being absent from the Leviathan and Sicaran , however I was looking more towards the fact that the <MARK OF CHAOS> isn't a keyword used for the distribution of chaos marks anymore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Squike said: I missed the CORE keyword being absent from the Leviathan and Sicaran , however I was looking more towards the fact that the <MARK OF CHAOS> isn't a keyword used for the distribution of chaos marks anymore.... The contemptor has both CORE and <MARK OF CHAOS> keywords, and nothing else has them both AFAIK, and so outside of the god-based legions don't think anything with only <MARK OF CHAOS> can get a mark. I think. Edited August 11, 2022 by Khornestar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Danjou Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 As in the codex pg112, to mark something is that it must have <Chaos Undivided Core> or <Chaos Undivided Character> named characters excluded. Daemon Prince mus take a mark. Iron Father Ferrum and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squike Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share Posted August 12, 2022 16 hours ago, Cpt.Danjou said: As in the codex pg112, to mark something is that it must have <Chaos Undivided Core> or <Chaos Undivided Character> named characters excluded. Daemon Prince mus take a mark. so we are waiting on an errata to sort out the IAC then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Danjou Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 I would assume so, the wording as it is now, if a model hasn't got the undivided part of the rule, it can't take marks from the codex. And would be surprised if the Sicaran will be able to take a mark, if not EC, the dreads might get it as the Helbrute is able to take it, but then they must also be core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Yes still waiting on an update for the IAC stuff. The only one to be able to be marked will be the Contemptor as the Leviathan, Sicarian etc are not Core per the Space Marine ones. I'll be interested to see if Decimators get Core too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 4 hours ago, Cpt.Danjou said: I would assume so, the wording as it is now, if a model hasn't got the undivided part of the rule, it can't take marks from the codex. And would be surprised if the Sicaran will be able to take a mark, if not EC, the dreads might get it as the Helbrute is able to take it, but then they must also be core. Leviathan being able to take it would be my wish. Hoping they don't nix the contemptor's keyword and just have everything be as-is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squike Posted August 17, 2022 Author Share Posted August 17, 2022 do we think the Contemptor will regain the ability to take marks? or do we think they will not add it back in with and errata? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 It might have been unclear, what I was trying to say before is that the contemptor is currently the only FW unit that can take a mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squike Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 15 hours ago, Khornestar said: It might have been unclear, what I was trying to say before is that the contemptor is currently the only FW unit that can take a mark. except it cant... it doesn't have the required keywords, as <Mark of Chaos> is no longer the correct keyword.... you are correct that it used to be and that was my mistake in the original post, but it is currently not able to. WrathOfTheLion 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) Oh jeez, well nuts to that! I guess it’s just gonna be a mess for a while. Edited August 19, 2022 by Khornestar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Would be great for them to get this sorted out, I'd love to be able to use some of the stuff I'm adding to my Word Bearers a bit better than now. I'm hoping we get some better support for the FW/30k kits, been eying painting some up as Black Legion as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Cpt.Danjou Posted September 13, 2022 Solution Share Posted September 13, 2022 Now Forgeworld has updated the chaos lists. Forgeworld Chaos updates What I can see is that the Contemptor has gotten the "Chaos Undivided" keyword, so it can get marks, but no other Dreadnaughts. Cpt Danjou Dr_Ruminahui 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squike Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 yep, confirmed, also appears they remembered to make possessed count as 2 models for all FW transports. Dr_Ruminahui and Maschinenpriester 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Which now means death guard and thousand sons can't take any forgeworld units since they removed marks of chaos from almost everything which is the thing thousand sons and death guard need to be able to take forgeworld units, what a joke, Contemptors can be given marks but only in a csm detachment due to chaos undivided keyword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squike Posted September 14, 2022 Author Share Posted September 14, 2022 17 hours ago, Plaguecaster said: Which now means death guard and thousand sons can't take any forgeworld units since they removed marks of chaos from almost everything which is the thing thousand sons and death guard need to be able to take forgeworld units, what a joke, Contemptors can be given marks but only in a csm detachment due to chaos undivided keyword was trying to find the rule that says they have to have nurgle as a keyword through games-workshop, but was failing, any chance you can show it here? it may be that you cant change <mark of chaos> to nurgle, but the rule just says if you have <mark of chaos> you have to change it to nurgle, and then if it doesn't you don't have to change it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Squike said: was trying to find the rule that says they have to have nurgle as a keyword through games-workshop, but was failing, any chance you can show it here? it may be that you cant change <mark of chaos> to nurgle, but the rule just says if you have <mark of chaos> you have to change it to nurgle, and then if it doesn't you don't have to change it? Its in the faq right above the new faq change which says change mark of chaos to traitoris astartes so now no way of having tzentch or nurgle keyword so unable to take in a DG or TS army, If it doesn't have it then you can't take it Edited September 14, 2022 by Plaguecaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squike Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) On 9/14/2022 at 6:02 PM, Plaguecaster said: Its in the faq right above the new faq change which says change mark of chaos to traitoris astartes so now no way of having tzentch or nurgle keyword so unable to take in a DG or TS army, If it doesn't have it then you can't take it ah I see, I was looking in the Death Guard Codex, Yeah unfortunately, they have up there and it seems you cannot currently take them.... I would send an email to their FAQ team, (not that it will do anything, but it might make you feel better ) Edited September 16, 2022 by Iron Father Ferrum Don't dodge the swear filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squike Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 unless the only one you can take is anything with the "chaos undivided" & "core" keywords? use the CSM rules to give them the Nurgle keyword and pay the extra 15 points for it but recieve none of the benefits? then it has Nurgle and you can then use the rules above to include it, I guess this means the contemptor could be the only choice you can take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 You have to take a detachment of CSMs in order to be able to upgrade chaos undivided into a mark so can't really see being able to do so for death guard since also doing so would lose DG rules like contagion etc Gw really screwed over DG and TS all my fw units I've convert now useless and unplayable with my DG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squike Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 hopefully they will fix it soon, and its just standard FAQ/rules team oversight of not looking at what they are actually doing... Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekyle_Abaddon Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 A bit off topic, but, this and that change to the engagement rules from the Rule book kinda a show that whoever is behind these FAQs might not know what they are doing. Like this is a clear oversight in how armies are constructed. For the time being TS and DG players (competitively speaking) legally can't bring any forgeworld units. And how in the core rule book that new engagement rule just suddenly disappeared. Whoever is making these FAQs should take better care in actually fixing the rules, instead rushed band-aid solutions that are just going to be band-aided again in 2 weeks Urauloth and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squike Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 10 hours ago, Ezekyle_Abaddon said: A bit off topic, but, this and that change to the engagement rules from the Rule book kinda a show that whoever is behind these FAQs might not know what they are doing. Like this is a clear oversight in how armies are constructed. For the time being TS and DG players (competitively speaking) legally can't bring any forgeworld units. And how in the core rule book that new engagement rule just suddenly disappeared. Whoever is making these FAQs should take better care in actually fixing the rules, instead rushed band-aid solutions that are just going to be band-aided again in 2 weeks its more than likely the intern or work experience kids job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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