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So a list like this went 5-1 recently. I am new to BA in terms of building an army. I like to have a list before I start to build. Let me know what you guys think, and what you'd change.,

(Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [132 PL, 9CP, 1,998pts]
Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Blood Angels) [132 PL, 9CP, 1,998pts]
Configuration [12CP]
**Chapter Selector**
Selections: Blood Angels
Categories: PC: BA, Configuration
Battle Size [12CP]
Selections: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [12CP]
Categories: Configuration
Detachment Command Cost
Categories: Configuration
Game Type
Selections: 3. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nachmund
Categories: Configuration
No Force Org Slot [3 PL, 40pts]
Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]
Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Company Veterans, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Command Squad, Core, No Force Org Slot
Company Veteran [20pts]
Selections: 2x Astartes Chainsword
Company Veteran Sergeant [20pts]
Selections: 2x Astartes Chainsword
HQ [21 PL, -3CP, 405pts]
Captain [6 PL, -2CP, 120pts]
Selections: 3. Soulwarden, Inferno pistol, Jump Pack [1 PL, 25pts], Relic blade [10pts], Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter [-1CP], Stratagem: Relic of the Chapter [-1CP], Visage of Death
Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Character, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Captain, HQ, Fly, Jump Pack

Commander Dante [9 PL, 1CP, 165pts]
Selections: 4. Heroic Bearing, Warlord [1CP]
Categories: Character, Commander Dante, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Fly, HQ, Infantry, Jump Pack, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Chapter Master, Warlord

Sanguinary Priest [6 PL, -2CP, 120pts]
Selections: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol, Jump Pack [1 PL, 30pts], Rites of War, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter [-1CP], Stratagem: Relic of the Chapter [-1CP], The Armour Indomitus
Categories: Character, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Sanguinary Priest, HQ, Apothecary, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Fly, Jump Pack

Troops [16 PL, 330pts]
Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]
Categories: Faction: Imperium, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Infantry, Phobos, Smokescreen, Incursor Squad, Core, Primaris, Troops
4x Incursor [84pts]
Selections: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades
Incursor Sergeant [21pts]

 

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]
Categories: Faction: Imperium, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Infantry, Phobos, Smokescreen, Incursor Squad, Core, Primaris, Troops
4x Incursor [84pts]
Selections: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades
Incursor Sergeant [21pts]

 

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]
Categories: Smokescreen, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Primaris, Infantry, Infiltrator Squad, Phobos, Faction: Imperium, Core, Troops
4x Infiltrator [96pts]
Selections: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine
Infiltrator Sergeant [24pts]

 

Elites [92 PL, 1,223pts]
Centurion Assault Squad [18 PL, 325pts]
Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Centurion, Centurion Assault Squad, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Elites
Centurion [65pts]
Selections: Hurricane bolter [10pts]
Flamers
Centurion [65pts]
Selections: Hurricane bolter [10pts]
Flamers
Centurion [65pts]
Selections: Hurricane bolter [10pts]
Flamers
Centurion [65pts]
Selections: Hurricane bolter [10pts]
Flamers
Centurion Sergeant [65pts]
Selections: Hurricane bolter [10pts]
Flamers

 

Death Company Marines [8 PL, 165pts]
Selections: Jump Pack [1 PL, 15pts]
Categories: Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Death Company, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Core, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Fly, Jump Pack
Death Company Marine [33pts]
Selections: Thunder hammer [15pts]
Death Company Marine [33pts]
Selections: Thunder hammer [15pts]
Death Company Marine [33pts]
Selections: Thunder hammer [15pts]
Death Company Marine [33pts]
Selections: Thunder hammer [15pts]
Death Company Marine [18pts]
Bolt pistol and chainsword

 

Death Company Marines [15 PL, 168pts]
Selections: Jump Pack [1 PL, 24pts]
Categories: Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Death Company, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Core, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Fly, Jump Pack
Death Company Marine [18pts]
Bolt pistol and chainsword
Death Company Marine [18pts]
Bolt pistol and chainsword
Death Company Marine [18pts]
Bolt pistol and chainsword
Death Company Marine [18pts]
Bolt pistol and chainsword
Death Company Marine [18pts]
Bolt pistol and chainsword
Death Company Marine [18pts]
Bolt pistol and chainsword
Death Company Marine [18pts]
Bolt pistol and chainsword
Death Company Marine [18pts]
Bolt pistol and chainsword

 

Sanguinary Guard [17 PL, 190pts]
Categories: Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Fly, Jump Pack, Sanguinary Guard, Core, Faction: Adeptus Astartes
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe
Sanguinary Guard [35pts]
Selections: Encarmine sword, Inferno pistol [5pts]
Sanguinary Guard [35pts]
Selections: Encarmine sword, Inferno pistol [5pts]

 

Sanguinary Guard [17 PL, 185pts]
Categories: Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Fly, Jump Pack, Sanguinary Guard, Core, Faction: Adeptus Astartes
Sanguinary Guard [35pts]
Selections: Encarmine sword, Inferno pistol [5pts]
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

 

Sanguinary Guard [17 PL, 190pts]
Categories: Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Fly, Jump Pack, Sanguinary Guard, Core, Faction: Adeptus Astartes
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe
Sanguinary Guard [30pts]
Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe
Sanguinary Guard [35pts]
Selections: Encarmine sword, Inferno pistol [5pts]
Sanguinary Guard [35pts]
Selections: Encarmine sword, Inferno pistol [5pts]

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Do you have a link for when it went 5-1? Only you've set this up for Nachmund and any recent tournaments would likely be Nephilim - that's not as pedantic as it reads because it matters for the secondary missions as they vary quite a lot between the Warzones. Same with CP. This goes on to affect how the list is built.

Centurions in Nachmund became meta as they would hold the centre (which we don't tend do attempt in Nephilim) and they would have some other deterrent with them (like  Company Champion, second Priest, etc). This they don't have. So how will you be using them?

The Company Veterans are simply there for Actions. Which do you have in mind for them? 

Most other things are straightforward in their application and their loadouts seem to be what you'd expect. Interesting split on Rites of War and Visage of Death, most people use these on a single model. If you're sticking with Nachmund, consider putting these both onto the Captain, finding the points to upgrade the Priest to a Chief Apothecary, take the Selfless Healer Warlord Trait, then use Angels Exemplar to give Soulwarden to either of them (if it's suitable for your meta).

Is this for friendly games or for competitive ones? If I may, is your group ok with you rocking up with a tournament list to a beer and pretzel game?

This list is for competitive play. I don't have a beer and pretzels group. sadly. Nachmund is a mistake on my end. I can fix that. 

The idea is to push right up the center with the captain and maybe the priest. 

Company vets and actions - I guess this depends on the secondaries I end up choosing. I'll need to think about that more. But in that video they talk about how they are the better choice. so I guess we'll see. He uses SS because that is what he has, I won't be doing that.

 

The 8 man DC is there for blocking as well. I am not 100% happy with this unit. I might be able to change this or drop some for other things. Unsure.

ok maybe something like this: LVO list. Not sure what to do with the extra points. 87. Kind of want an ATV but I've never heard a good thing about them. lol

his list had all SG with swords only. I think you should mix a few axes in. axes good vs? swords good vs?

 

New Roster (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [125 PL, 2CP, 1,913pts]

  • Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Blood Angels)

    • Configuration

      • **Chapter Selector**

        Selections: Blood Angels

        Categories: PC: BA, Configuration

      • Battle Size

        Selections: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) 

        Categories: Configuration

      • Detachment Command Cost

        Categories: Configuration

      • Game Type

        Selections: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim

        Categories: Configuration

    • HQ

      • Commander Dante

        Selections: 4. Heroic Bearing, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord

        Categories: Character, Commander Dante, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Fly, HQ, Infantry, Jump Pack, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Chapter Master, Warlord

      • Sanguinary Priest

        Selections: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol, Jump Pack, Rites of War, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Stratagem: Relic, Visage of Death

        Categories: Character, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Sanguinary Priest, HQ, Apothecary, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Fly, Jump Pack

    • Troops

      • Assault Intercessor Squad

        Categories: Faction: Imperium, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Primaris, Infantry, Assault Intercessor Squad, Core, Intercessors, Troops

        • 4x Assault Intercessor

          Selections: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol

        • Assault Intercessor Sgt

          Selections: Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol

      • Incursor Squad

        Categories: Faction: Imperium, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Infantry, Phobos, Smokescreen, Incursor Squad, Core, Primaris, Troops

        • 4x Incursor

          Selections: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades

        • Incursor Sergeant

      • Incursor Squad

        Categories: Faction: Imperium, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Infantry, Phobos, Smokescreen, Incursor Squad, Core, Primaris, Troops

        • 4x Incursor

          Selections: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades

        • Incursor Sergeant

    • Elites

      • Centurion Assault Squad

        Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Centurion, Centurion Assault Squad, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Elites

        • Centurion

          Selections: Hurricane bolter

          • Flamers

        • Centurion

          Selections: Hurricane bolter

          • Flamers

        • Centurion

          Selections: Hurricane bolter

          • Flamers

        • Centurion

          Selections: Hurricane bolter

          • Flamers

        • Centurion Sergeant

          Selections: Hurricane bolter

          • Flamers

      • Death Company Marines

        Categories: Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Death Company, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Core, Faction: Adeptus Astartes

        • Death Company Marine

          Selections: Thunder hammer

        • Death Company Marine

          Selections: Thunder hammer

        • Death Company Marine

          Selections: Thunder hammer

        • Death Company Marine

          Selections: Thunder hammer

        • Death Company Marine

          • Bolt pistol and chainsword

      • Sanguinary Ancient

        Selections: 3. Soulwarden, Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter

        Categories: Character, Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Fly, Infantry, Jump Pack, Sanguinary Guard, Ancient, Faction: Adeptus Astartes

      • Sanguinary Guard

        Categories: Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Fly, Jump Pack, Sanguinary Guard, Core, Faction: Adeptus Astartes

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe

      • Sanguinary Guard

        Categories: Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Fly, Jump Pack, Sanguinary Guard, Core, Faction: Adeptus Astartes

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe

      • Sanguinary Guard

        Categories: Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Fly, Jump Pack, Sanguinary Guard, Core, Faction: Adeptus Astartes

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe

    • Fast Attack

      • Assault Squad

        Selections: Jump Pack

        Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Assault Squad, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Melta Bombs, Core, Fast Attack, Fly, Jump Pack

        • 5x Space Marine

          Selections: 5x Astartes Chainsword, 5x Bolt pistol, 5x Frag & Krak grenades

        • Space Marine Sergeant

          Selections: Bolt pistol/Chainsword, Lightning Claw, Stratagem: Angel Ascendant

          Categories: Stratagems

1 hour ago, INKS said:

ok maybe something like this: LVO list. Not sure what to do with the extra points. 87. Kind of want an ATV but I've never heard a good thing about them. lol

I would probably take a Landspeeder Tornado with MM and Assault Cannon instead. It has better firepower than the Invader and has FLY which is definitely handy. It has 6W at T6 vs the Invader's 8W at T5 so about equal in durability terms.

Alternatively, you can always flesh-out the Assault Intercessors or sprinkle SG with occasional Inferno Pistols I guess. Meltaguns on the Assault squad is an option too (is Inferno Pistol on the Sarge free btw?) But Tornado is good call.

Definitely worth to have couple of axes on the SG.

  • 2 weeks later...

Chris, the guy whose army you are basing this off if, is a very strong BA player in the south east portion of the US, i think he's from Georgia. He's based his list off of other successful BA lists from GTs. If you're building your list after this one, there's no harm in it, just know that he plays a pretty cagey game and has a reason for bringing what he does and which secondaries he picks.

 

I think ATVs are great, but you need more than 1 to really benefit from it. They are a steal for 85 points.

Would love to talk to him about the list then to understand it better or if he's done a video on it and his play style. He should! :)

Right  now I am just building towards 500 pt Ark - boarding party lists but I'll get here eventually.

I would be hesitant on 1. How long does it take you to build tournament lists? 2. With all the 10th edition rumors I personally wouldnt invest in any type of meta chasing army. If you are specifically shooting for the LVO I would recommend just playing another tournament power game list. Because 3 months may not be enough time to have your army painted and properly play tested by then.

 

Edited by Dont-Be-Haten

More of a long term thing. I like the play style from what I've read about it and how it's used. I just happen to love Centurions. I think it might also work in a 500 pt list.  Most of the list is fairly standard as well. So worse case I'll have to add on to the standard list and Centurions were a waste. But I am hell bent to make them work. :)

I don't want to bore or annoy people but I am constantly refining the list. I've added Mephiston and some fire support at the cost of some SG

 

New Roster (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [115 PL, 3CP, 2,000pts]

  • Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Blood Angels)

    • Configuration

      • **Chapter Selector**

        Selections: Blood Angels

        Categories: PC: BA, Configuration

      • Battle Size

        Selections: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) 

        Categories: Configuration

      • Detachment Command Cost

        Categories: Configuration

      • Game Type

        Selections: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim

        Categories: Configuration

    • HQ

      • Chief Librarian Mephiston (Primaris)

        Selections: 2. Unleash Rage, 3. Shield of Sanguinius, 5. The Blood Lance

        Categories: Character, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, HQ, Librarian, Psyker, Mephiston, Infantry, Primaris, Chief Librarian, Faction: Adeptus Astartes

      • Commander Dante

        Selections: 4. Heroic Bearing, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord

        Categories: Character, Commander Dante, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Fly, HQ, Infantry, Jump Pack, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Chapter Master, Warlord

      • Sanguinary Priest

        Selections: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol, Jump Pack, Rites of War, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Stratagem: Relic, Visage of Death

        Categories: Character, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Sanguinary Priest, HQ, Apothecary, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Fly, Jump Pack

    • Troops

      • Assault Intercessor Squad

        Categories: Faction: Imperium, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Primaris, Infantry, Assault Intercessor Squad, Core, Intercessors, Troops

        • 4x Assault Intercessor

          Selections: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol

        • Assault Intercessor Sgt

          Selections: Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol

      • Incursor Squad

        Categories: Faction: Imperium, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Infantry, Phobos, Smokescreen, Incursor Squad, Core, Primaris, Troops

        • 4x Incursor

          Selections: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades

        • Incursor Sergeant

      • Incursor Squad

        Categories: Faction: Imperium, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Infantry, Phobos, Smokescreen, Incursor Squad, Core, Primaris, Troops

        • 4x Incursor

          Selections: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades

        • Incursor Sergeant

    • Elites

      • Centurion Assault Squad

        Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Centurion, Centurion Assault Squad, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Elites

        • Centurion

          Selections: Hurricane bolter

          • Flamers

        • Centurion

          Selections: Hurricane bolter

          • Flamers

        • Centurion

          Selections: Hurricane bolter

          • Flamers

        • Centurion

          Selections: Hurricane bolter

          • Flamers

        • Centurion Sergeant

          Selections: Hurricane bolter

          • Flamers

      • Death Company Marines

        Selections: Jump Pack

        Categories: Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Death Company, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Core, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Fly, Jump Pack

        • Death Company Marine

          Selections: Thunder hammer

        • Death Company Marine

          Selections: Thunder hammer

        • Death Company Marine

          Selections: Thunder hammer

        • Death Company Marine

          Selections: Thunder hammer

        • Death Company Marine

          • Bolt pistol and chainsword

      • Sanguinary Ancient

        Selections: 3. Soulwarden, Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter

        Categories: Character, Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Fly, Infantry, Jump Pack, Sanguinary Guard, Ancient, Faction: Adeptus Astartes

      • Sanguinary Guard

        Categories: Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Fly, Jump Pack, Sanguinary Guard, Core, Faction: Adeptus Astartes

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe

      • Sanguinary Guard

        Categories: Elites, Faction: Blood Angels, Faction: Imperium, Infantry, Fly, Jump Pack, Sanguinary Guard, Core, Faction: Adeptus Astartes

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe

        • Sanguinary Guard

          Selections: Encarmine sword, Inferno pistol

    • Heavy Support

      • Eliminator Squad

        Selections: Las Fusil

        Categories: Faction: Imperium, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Infantry, Phobos, Primaris, Eliminator Squad, Core, Heavy Support

        • Eliminator Sergeant

          Selections: Las Fusil

        • 2x Eliminators

          Selections: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

      • Whirlwind

        Selections: Hunter-killer missile, Whirlwind vengeance launcher

        Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Faction: Imperium, Whirlwind, Vehicle, Smokescreen, Heavy Support

      •  

What makes you think ATVs aren't better? 

 

The 25 point difference gives you an 8 wound  assault 6 bolter and 4 attacks versus versus a 4 wound rapid 2 bolter with 2 attacks that has the core special rule.

 

A fair trade off. Unless you run Dante; custom chapter tactics (which many agree are better than red thirst) like Master Artisans it nets the same results as needing a captain to re-roll your MM shot. I know that's @Karhedron reason for attack bikes over ATVs. 

 

I would contest both are solid options. I really like ATVs.

 

 

I want to love ATVs. But I get more attack bikes and therefore more shots with melta guns. I guess that is my reason for ATK BIKES over ATVs. I do run Dante.

In my situation I have 240 points to fill. so it comes down to - how many ATVs vs how many ATK Bikes

 

I will do better formatting than the program gives me. sorry about that.

Mephy is interesting in that if I face off against Psychic enemies then I am happy to have an extra way to deny them but sometimes he feels unnecessary. If your enemy has Psychic then you never get to cast much of anything. deny deny deny. If they don't then he's not as impactful in play. So he's ok. 

 

He earns his point in mortal wounds and kills via non psychic enemies.

He earns his points sometimes vs psychic enemies or deny enemies in which he can stop some powers.

 

NOTE: I use him aggressively. I don't just let him sit in the backfield and do his thing. I have him up in combat range and with my troops.

BA Commander uses him as well. He went three turns with a Greater Deamon of Nurgle today, doing about 20 wounds before finally dying. He was also able to deny most of the deamonic powers for the first 4 turns of the game really limiting the other team

For myself, I have three lists and I am not sure which I want to build first or towards. It used to be 6 lists, so 3 is pretty good for me. Only one of those lists has Mephy in it. Dante for CP reasons really and he's not too bad either. Sang Priest is an auto for me.

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