Balance Dataslate and Feild manual up. How do you think we fair?

[yan]

Yesterday I had my first game with arks of omen. 
win for the Space wolves against Tau.

 

My list benefits a lot from the new points and i dont mis armour of contempt at all. I even think we’re doing better witout so our free thunderhammers and lightningclaws have more effect, and we have free stormshields anyway, witch in my opinion are still better then aoc.

 

its hard to hide three units of twc. He got first turn so shot his whole army but only still deleted one unit plus one twc.

my first turn i managed to get stormcaller, cloaked by the storm and take the middle. Next turn he shot another unit twc +1. So only two twc left, but then in my second turn i charged him with my wulfen, termys and twc. 
 

finally he scored a lot on secondarys but i maxed out on primary.

 

 

[TiguriusX]

3 hours ago, yan said:

Yesterday I had my first game with arks of omen. 
win for the Space wolves against Tau.

 

My list benefits a lot from the new points and i dont mis armour of contempt at all. I even think we’re doing better witout so our free thunderhammers and lightningclaws have more effect, and we have free stormshields anyway, witch in my opinion are still better then aoc.

 

its hard to hide three units of twc. He got first turn so shot his whole army but only still deleted one unit plus one twc.

my first turn i managed to get stormcaller, cloaked by the storm and take the middle. Next turn he shot another unit twc +1. So only two twc left, but then in my second turn i charged him with my wulfen, termys and twc. 
 

finally he scored a lot on secondarys but i maxed out on primary.

 

 

Congrats!

 

You made it into melee turn 2 with TWC

 

Does all the advice you got about flyers make more sense now?

[yan]

Haha yes. But i still think they can deal a ton of dammage comming out of reserve. And if you then can eliminate the main antitank guns they can still cause some headaches. 
 

but terminators an longfangs can do the same job plus can hold objectives etc.

 

friday our tournament starts and I’ll keep you updated on the other thread.

[TiguriusX]

19 minutes ago, yan said:

Haha yes. But i still think they can deal a ton of dammage comming out of reserve. And if you then can eliminate the main antitank guns they can still cause some headaches. 
 

but terminators an longfangs can do the same job plus can hold objectives etc.

 

friday our tournament starts and I’ll keep you updated on the other thread.

 

More value for points spent is how you make a stronger list

 

Unit 1 can do X

Unit 2 can do X Y Z

 

what will help you win more games?

[Torin]

Good Day Brothers,

 Just would lie to share my 2k list. So far wolf looks good at the moment.

 

++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [117 PL, 3CP, 1,999pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Space Wolves

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) 

Detachment Command Cost

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

+ HQ +

Njal Stormcaller [7 PL, 120pts]: 2. Murderous Hurricane, 3. Tempest's Wrath, 5. Storm Caller

Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf [7 PL, -3CP, 120pts]: Combi-melta, Resolve of the Bear, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Stratagem: Warrior of Legend, The Armour of Russ, Thunder hammer, Warlord, Wolfkin

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 100pts]: Helix gauntlet
. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine
. Infiltrator Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 144pts]: Stalker Bolt Rifle
. 7x Intercessor: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Thunder hammer

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 126pts]: Stalker Bolt Rifle
. 6x Intercessor: 6x Bolt pistol, 6x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Thunder hammer

+ Elites +

Wolf Guard Terminators [9 PL, 170pts]
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Cyclone missile launcher, Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Wolf Guard Terminators [9 PL, 170pts]
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Cyclone missile launcher, Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Wulfen [6 PL, 140pts]
. Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws
. Wulfen w/ great frost axe: Great frost axe
. 3x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: 3x Storm Shield, 3x Thunder Hammer

+ Fast Attack +

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 90pts]
. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. Suppressor Sergeant

Thunderwolf Cavalry [14 PL, 255pts]
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power fist, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power fist, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power fist, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Thunderwolf Cavalry [14 PL, 220pts]
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power fist, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

+ Heavy Support +

Long Fangs [10 PL, 172pts]: Armorium Cherub
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang Pack Leader: Meltagun, Power fist
. Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader: Chainfist, Cyclone missile launcher, Storm shield

Long Fangs [10 PL, 172pts]: Armorium Cherub
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang Pack Leader: Plasma gun, Power fist
. Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader: Chainfist, Cyclone missile launcher, Storm shield

++ Total: [117 PL, 3CP, 1,999pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

 

Suppressor are good to have when going against crazy plasma crisis suit or heavy weapon team. shoot before your CC charges. Just need a hit. :)

 

 

 

Cheer,

 

Torin

[TiguriusX]

Plasma Inceptors just got nerfed back to 60pts

 

So long inceptors...we hardly know ye

[yan]

Also thunderhammers cost 10pnts again? -.-

[Prot]

What the heck? What are they doing there? They wait til everyone is ripping arms off and they just made these counter adjustments?

 

[Karhedron]

Oh man, I am glad I am indecisive. At least I hadn't started chopping up models yet.  

[yan]

Is it true that thunderhammers are now 10pnts on the terminators? My BattleScribe says it but i cant find it in the munitorum field manuel.

[Prot]

8 hours ago, Karhedron said:

Oh man, I am glad I am indecisive. At least I hadn't started chopping up models yet.  

I literally just bought a box of wolf Termies for the free hammers.  Ah well at least the hounds of Morkai will see play ( I highly doubt they will see any nerf. Lol)

[CCE1981]

Wolf Guard Terminators still have free Thunderhammers.  

[yan]

7 hours ago, CCE1981 said:

Wolf Guard Terminators still have free Thunderhammers.  

O. Sorry for the panic. I got mis informed

 

edtit:

but it made me wonder, are chainfists in manny cases not better?

Edited January 26, 2023 by yan

[CCE1981]

That would depend in a ton of factors.  If it’s against a vehicle chainfists are far better.  After that armor save, wounds and defensive abilities like -1 damage matter.

[Prot]

19 hours ago, CCE1981 said:

Wolf Guard Terminators still have free Thunderhammers.  

Okay so where is the hammer expense coming from?

 

as a side note I have the models cleaned and torsos glued but really am worried GW will mess me up on this. What is a solid Wolves Termie build? Are claws worth it at all now?

[Kallas]

1 hour ago, Prot said:

What is a solid Wolves Termie build?

Magnetised is the best build 

[Karhedron]

10 hours ago, Prot said:

What is a solid Wolves Termie build? Are claws worth it at all now?

 

The advantage of claws was that they were cheap and still moderately effective. Now that wargear is free, I don't see a big use for Claws. WE can get decent chaff clearance elsewhere.

 

I would say the best build is probably all combi-weapons with a mix of Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields. Of course tat may change in 6 months time if we start paying for wargear again.

[CCE1981]

16 hours ago, Prot said:

Okay so where is the hammer expense coming from?

 

as a side note I have the models cleaned and torsos glued but really am worried GW will mess me up on this. What is a solid Wolves Termie build? Are claws worth it at all now?

Maybe Wolfguard, the ones that don’t have Terminator armor.